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Coming Off TRT

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I am a 22 year old male that started TRT 1.5 years ago. I had natural levels between 150-200 every time I tested before starting. However, I believe it could have been corrected naturally by introducing more fats into my diet and slowing down my training. I lost around 80 pounds and was exercising excessively while restricting calories when I was tested.

I apply "natural" testosterone cream from a naturopath that I am no longer seeing every morning at 50ml. My GP suggested to go cold turkey and I am not able to see a specialist for another month. What should I expect to feel? I want to try quitting on my own to see if my natural production will start back up. I'm otherwise a very healthy guy.
 
I wouldn't quit cold turkey that sounds like a terrible idea. Your natural production is likely shutdown and you would need something to restart your natural testosterone production. I'm surprised he actually suggested just cutting it out cold turkey. A clomid restart could be a viable option but your playing with fire just stopping on a dime. I'm not extremely well versed in endocrinology but I can't see that ending well.
 
Interesting, a natural testosterone creme. Does it actually contain testosterone? Anyway, for $65 you can get the "female hormone panel" from privatemdlabs dot com. This panel is CBC, FSH, LH, TT and E2. Start there to see how shutdown you are.
 
You don't quit TRT like that. As already stated your natural production is most likely shutdown. You'll need something like clomid to see if there's a chance you can start up your natural production.
 
Ultimately exogenous test has to be eliminated entirely before any recovery of HPTA can be attained or even attempted. The key is to have an effective protocol in place before attempting it.
 
1 More Repp said:
I am a 22 year old male that started TRT 1.5 years ago. I had natural levels between 150-200 every time I tested before starting. However, I believe it could have been corrected naturally by introducing more fats into my diet and slowing down my training. I lost around 80 pounds and was exercising excessively while restricting calories when I was tested.

I apply "natural" testosterone cream from a naturopath that I am no longer seeing every morning at 50ml. My GP suggested to go cold turkey and I am not able to see a specialist for another month. What should I expect to feel? I want to try quitting on my own to see if my natural production will start back up. I'm otherwise a very healthy guy.
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is your GP a female ?
 
I can't recommend you anything I'm not a doctor and if your GP suggest you to go cold turkey for one month he is not either....
 
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If I was more educated I would have never started taking it in the first place. Shouldn't have taken his advice. Do you think I have a good chance of getting natural production back?
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Did you get bloodwork to see how shut down you really are? Seriously! Feeling better is not a sign of recovery.
 
Excellent. This is the only way to accurately determine your recovery. At your age, and after reading about your PH use and weight loss in 2014, I suspect that your "Doctor" jumped the gun by prescribing TRT while you were still shut down. For now add vitamin D3 5000 IU per day and increase healthy fats (coconut oil, avocado, olive oil). You are going to feel terrible these next months while recovering. You might want to talk to your "new" Doctor about a Clomid restart. Research it. Also check out the Excelmale and PeakTestosterone dot com websites. There is a FB page called Testosterone Replacement Therapy Discussion that has some great information on it. Keep us posted and good luck.
 
kenpoengineer said:
Excellent. This is the only way to accurately determine your recovery. At your age, and after reading about your PH use and weight loss in 2014, I suspect that your "Doctor" jumped the gun by prescribing TRT while you were still shut down. For now add vitamin D3 5000 IU per day and increase healthy fats (coconut oil, avocado, olive oil). You are going to feel terrible these next months while recovering. You might want to talk to your "new" Doctor about a Clomid restart. Research it. Also check out the Excelmale and PeakTestosterone dot com websites. There is a FB page called Testosterone Replacement Therapy Discussion that has some great information on it. Keep us posted and good luck.
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Thanks for your advice. I'm seeing a specialist March 10th that will be able to give me some detailed feedback on my progress. I truly believe I was misdiagnosed like you stated and hope I can get my natural levels back.
 
FSH is usually most specific for semen/sperm production.

Depending upon which lab you reference I've seen the ranges for both form as low as 1.3-12 and and as high as 1.8-19 and some absurdly high as 5-20.

.8 is low but not like mine which is .1 (or maybe less iirc) but I've been on TRT for many years.
 
David Dunn said:
FSH is usually most specific for semen/sperm production.

Depending upon which lab you reference I've seen the ranges for both form as low as 1.3-12 and and as high as 1.8-19 and some absurdly high as 5-20.

.8 is low but not like mine which is .1 (or maybe less iirc) but I've been on TRT for many years.
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Thanks David, I'll continue to update the thread with progress. This is about 4 days off of
TRT and I'm feeling a little "off." Not terrible, but more fatigued and moody.
 
At 4 days you've not even exhausted the half life of a year and a half of weekly testosterone injections.

Don't "think" about your testosterone. A positive mental attitude goes a long way!
 
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If I was more educated I would have never started taking it in the first place. Shouldn't have taken his advice. Do you think I have a good chance of getting natural production back?
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Maybe. Have you been using any other gear in the past?

Best of luck buddy. There are worst things in life that being on trt. Just make sure the doses will assist muscle development ;)
 
David Dunn said:
At 4 days you've not even exhausted the half life of a year and a half of weekly testosterone injections.

Don't "think" about your testosterone. A positive mental attitude goes a long way!
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Interesting, I didn't know test had a long half life. Mine was a bio identical testosterone cream that was applied daily after a shower in the AM. Would that change anything?

And thanks, that's great advice. I'm trying my best to stay positive.
 
Captn_the said:
Maybe. Have you been using any other gear in the past?

Best of luck buddy. There are worst things in life that being on trt. Just make sure the doses will assist muscle development ;)
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I did an 8 week cycle of 1-t tren made by primordial performance when I was 17. I didn't follow through with pct properly either. Stupid, I know. Do you think that could have made a long lasting impact on my hormones?
 
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Interesting, I didn't know test had a long half life. Mine was a bio identical testosterone cream that was applied daily after a shower in the AM. Would that change anything?

And thanks, that's great advice. I'm trying my best to stay positive.
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yes. Cream can make but if the active testosterone in it is an enanthate or cypionate it can still be s bit long but not nearly as long as injection. You should be bottoming out here pretty soon.
 
David Dunn said:
yes. Cream can make but if the active testosterone in it is an enanthate or cypionate it can still be s bit long but not nearly as long as injection. You should be bottoming out here pretty soon.
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Ah I see. I'll check the prescription when I make it home but I think it was cypionate. I know it was compounded using yams and soybeans though making it more natural according to the doc. Hopefully it will be out of my system soon so I know what I'm facing.
 
Does anyone here have experience with bioidentical hormones? Are they even any better? I was reading this Invalid Link Removed
 
There is no different then stuff you get from pharmacy ..It's the same damn thing...
 
Tomorrow will be 6 days off TRT and I'm actually starting to breakout with some acne on my face and chest which I don't normally. Is that a side effect?
 
Is there anything that is recommended to kickstart natural production? I've upped my healthy fat intake and have been incorporating more compound lifts into my workouts
 
I got my blood work done today and should have results in the next few days. I'm interested to see where I'm at ~12 days off TRT.
 
Here's what I got for blood work 12 days off:
Testosterone, total: 99
Testosterone, free: 13.9
Estradiol: 15
Dihydrotestosterone: 8
 
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