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epistane cycle NO libdo

Amaan786

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Hi guys im new to this forum. I would much appreciate your help. Bit of history im 29 180lbs 5 ft 10. Have been training for approx 10 years. Have done 1 cycle of test and dbol approx 5 years ago. Recently i done a cycle of

Epistane wk 1 - 4 30mg
Blockade wk 1-4
Post cycle 3x wk 4-8
Test booster wk 4-8
Eradicate (anti estro for rebound) wk 4-8
Clomid wk 10-14 50mg

Half way through the epistane my libdo completely died and ever since then it has been the same even after otc pct and when that didnt work i tryed clomid and DAA.

Now it has been approx 4 weeks i have finished the clomid and my libdo is still no where to be found. Any idea what could be causing it estrogen out of check maybe? Low test? Also what would you guys recommend now? I have nolvadex and arimdex readily available? Much appreciated.
 
Same happened to me. For me I believe the issue was partly due to bp. It took a while even after pct to feel 100%.
If I'm reading your cycle layout correctly you messed up by not starting your serm right after your cycle. I would recommend going to a doc and saying that you have been feeling off and want some blood work to check your test and estrogen levels. That will be the best way to figure out what is up
 
My otc pct started day after i finished epistane for 4 weeks however after thst otc pct finished and i had no libdo then i tryed clomid and still nothing. I had my blood pressure checked while on cycle and it was in range.

Blood work for testosterone and oestradiol would that be sufficient?

Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
 
The, blood work will give you a better idea of what is going on. Next time you cycle be sure to start your serm day 1 of your pct, serms not only contain estrogen but also restart your system after being suppressed
 
Ok thank you what should i get tested for? I have come across an online blood test which covers

Testosterone
Free test
Shbg
Osterdial
ALT
AST
Trigelcerides

Will this be suffecient? What is the min i need to check for?
 
Honest couldn't tell you but like I said I would go to your doc tell him the issues and ask him for a test. You don't need to say that it was from gear if you don't want to
 
Amaan786 said:
Ok thank you what should i get tested for? I have come across an online blood test which covers

Testosterone
Free test
Shbg
Osterdial
ALT
AST
Trigelcerides

Will this be suffecient? What is the min i need to check for?
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1. I'd hop on 250iu HCG Daily for 21 days.
2. Redo PCT of Clomid after hcg
3. Bloodwork: CBC + CMP + Lipid Profile + Thyroid Panel + Total & Free Test, Estrogen, & Prolactin

You are either suppressed and not recovered, or your estrogen levels are not happy. I dislike these orals because you really have no idea what is in these pills. It could even be a prolactin issue for all you no.. maybe it was something different in the pill.
 
I had down post cycle 3x by vital labs a otc pct it contains

Supplement Facts*Serving Size: 2 Capsule*Servings per container: 60*Amount per serving%DVMagnesium (as Magnesium Aspartate)36mg9%Zinc (as Zinc Aspartate)4.5mg30%PCT 3x Blend1,260mg**Trans Resveratrol400mg**Tribulus (leaf) Extract350mg**Oat (straw) Extract15mg**Indol-3-Carbinol100mg**Milk Thistle (seed) Extract100mg**L-Cysteine N-Acetyl (NAC)50mg**Caffeine Anhydrous15mg**

Was that suffecient? Still libdo probs after this so i then done clomid 4 weeks at 50mg? If it is estrogen would it be because it is hight or low? I can get hold of any serm or ai so got everything on hand.
 
Amaan786 said:
I had down post cycle 3x by vital labs a otc pct it contains

Supplement Facts*Serving Size: 2 Capsule*Servings per container: 60*Amount per serving%DVMagnesium (as Magnesium Aspartate)36mg9%Zinc (as Zinc Aspartate)4.5mg30%PCT 3x Blend1,260mg**Trans Resveratrol400mg**Tribulus (leaf) Extract350mg**Oat (straw) Extract15mg**Indol-3-Carbinol100mg**Milk Thistle (seed) Extract100mg**L-Cysteine N-Acetyl (NAC)50mg**Caffeine Anhydrous15mg**

Was that suffecient? Still libdo probs after this so i then done clomid 4 weeks at 50mg? If it is estrogen would it be because it is hight or low? I can get hold of any serm or ai so got everything on hand.
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That product, is not a pct product bro. Not even the slightest bit besides the I3C.. which is nothing special.

Estro problems could be related to high or low levels.


4 weeks
50mg Clomid daily (Test Boosting per say)
300mg L-Dopa twice daily (Dirt cheap) (Prolactin Control)
Intimidate SRT (estrogen control)

That is what I would do. I've had good success with intimidate srt.
 
Hmmm that's what I was recommended by the website i got the epi2a3a from. I have taken clomid at 50mg 4 weeks so give that another go yeh? Also hcg should i do thats 1st? Regarding the estro control will it not make things worse possibly drop it even lower if it low already? Thank you for your replies. Much appreciated.
 
The website clearly steered you wrong to make a sale. Do your own research next time. If you can, what would be optimal would be,

Day 1-21: HCG 250iu Daily
Day 1-25: 12.5 Aromasin Daily
Day 22- 52: Clomid 50mg Daily

After PCT, Testabolan or Tongkat Ali to free up bound test.
 
Right ok thank you for your help regarding the aromasin i have arimdex on hand is that suffecient? Also hcg can i inject it twice a week? At maybe 750iu? Or does i have to be done daily? Thanks again
 
Amaan786 said:
Right ok thank you for your help regarding the aromasin i have arimdex on hand is that suffecient? Also hcg can i inject it twice a week? At maybe 750iu? Or does i have to be done daily? Thanks again
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HCG: Small doses more frequent are best, due to its shorter half life, but 500, E3D is possible.
Aromasin is the preferred in pct.
 
Hi guys i have had my results for bloodwork. Can you please advise me?

Test 15.0 nmol/L
Shbg 39 nmol/L
Free test calculated 0.286 nmol/L
Test bio-available 6.34 nmo/L
Fsh 3.2 IU/L
LH 1 IU/L
Oestradiol 75 pmol/L
Prostate 1.050 ug/L

I have tryed comparing it with other members blood works but it seems that there units are measured different. I have been tested for many more things i have only listed what i believe is neccessary however if i am missing anything please let me know and i will add.

My libdo is still pretty much dead im never in the mood anymore and find ot difficult to get turned on. Thank for your help guys.
 
Here is the resultz with red range

Test 15.0 (8.0-29.0)
Shbg 39 (14.5-48.4)
Free test calculated 0.286 (0.3-1.0) LOW
Test bio-available 6.34 (2.1-8.7)
Fsh 3.2 (1.5-12.4)
Oestradiol 75 (28-156)
Prostate 1.050 (below 1.4)
ALT 75 ( below 50) HIGH

LH is being retested as it was insufficient sample. Only thing showing to be out is free test and ALT?
 
criticalbench said:
1. I'd hop on 250iu HCG Daily for 21 days.
2. Redo PCT of Clomid after hcg
3. Bloodwork: CBC + CMP + Lipid Profile + Thyroid Panel + Total & Free Test, Estrogen, & Prolactin

You are either suppressed and not recovered, or your estrogen levels are not happy. I dislike these orals because you really have no idea what is in these pills. It could even be a prolactin issue for all you no.. maybe it was something different in the pill.
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i agree^

and wait about 6 weeks after pct for blood work. not right after.
also i may rec CIA from cem. iv used it and i think its good to have around during pct times or for the hell of it : )
 
Thanks Blergs. Is that what you would suggest according to my blopd results? How long and how much clomid? 50mg for 4 weeks? Also would there be a need for arimdex? My prolactin and estrogen levels seem fine according to blood test.
 
Which is why you should never trust JUST an OTC product for PCT. Either have a Serm like Clomid, Nolva, or Tamox or dont cycle....
 
McCrew530 said:
Dma378 do these numbers make scenes to you?
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No, I've seen other bloods posted that had these ranges and numbers. But I don't know how they relate to the standard numbers that we're used to seeing. I see he updated with the ranges so that at least helps. Looks good except Free Test, which to my understanding is not as large a concern as Total Test.
 
everything is in range apart from free test also im waiting for my results on LH. My libdo is still totally dead thou thats after the clomid run too. I have also been supplementing with DAA and vit d and horny goat weed by prolabs but no joy
 
There is a natural OTC stack that I personally think is the best natural test boosting product and from what Ive as well as others experienced, is great for libido is the H.P.T.A/Volume by Iron Champ. Within a week or two of that and Im walking around with a hard on.
 
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