Ready for my first cycle, looking for guidance.

mcmenace

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Hello all,

I am a 32 yr old male with around 3 years of consistent training under my belt. I'm 6"0 ~180 at ~13-14% body fat. I have taken many supplements (all natural, including ep1c, magnotropin, animal stak, etc.) and I am ready for something that yields better results. I initially was going to cycle Dzine however after reading felt it may be too strong for my first cycle.

I am worried about side effects (which has kept me from taking this route) and want to approach this the safest way possible. I am willing to sacrifice size for safety and prefer something mild with the least amount of possible side effects. My goal is to put on mass while lowering or maintaining my current body fat. Any suggestions/guidance would be much appreciated.

Thank You,
 
I would look into a properly dosed 1 and 4 andro cycle possibly with epiandro too. Other options would be an Epistane or Halodrol Cycle. It would be smart to have an AI like exemastane on hand, and highly suggest a test base (ex. 4-andro, epiandro). On cycle support should be run throughout and proper pct with SERMs like Clomid and/or Nolvadex for 4 weeks.
A 4-6 week cycle is your best bet for a first cycle. There is much more to learn so ask all the questions you need before you plan to start.
 
georgetown said:
I would look into a properly dosed 1 and 4 andro cycle possibly with epiandro too. Other options would be an Epistane or Halodrol Cycle. It would be smart to have an AI like exemastane on hand, and highly suggest a test base (ex. 4-andro, epiandro). On cycle support should be run throughout and proper pct with SERMs like Clomid and/or Nolvadex for 4 weeks.
A 4-6 week cycle is your best bet for a first cycle. There is much more to learn so ask all the questions you need before you plan to start.
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I agree with this 100%...Triumphalis (methyldiazirinol) is another great compound to compare with epistane and halodrol
 
Bunshichi said:
Look into SARMs, especially Ostarine.
12weeks Ostarine with a test base should be a good option.
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I agree with looking at osta, but I would (and have) start with a 6 week cycle. No test required (on average). Side effects are dose and user dependent.
 
have to agree with george and 5.

i would not use a sarm on the 1st run,

start your doses off with 1/4 (few days) then a 1/2 (few days) and then go the full- assess the response from your body at each stage
 
UncleSarm said:
I agree with looking at costa, but I would (and have) start with a 6 week cycle. No test required (on average). Side effects are dose and user dependent.
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see above-

LOL- dam you-
 
ok, if you do go with Ossie, then 6 weeks

agree with Uncle on that- again, you might want to start off small and increasing till u hit the max amount per day. some dont need it.

remember, with sarms, more is not always better
 
not a dam thing. have some extra and looking to share? Cause you know, sharing is caring

lol
 
Sure.
These new compounds/ph/designers/whatever you want to call them are good. People like them, more so for the reason because they don't have to inject. I can bet if all these compounds only were oil based, no one would have gone that route. Testosterone would have prevailed as the first cycle forever
 
1test said:
Sure.
These new compounds/ph/designers/whatever you want to call them are good. People like them, more so for the reason because they don't have to inject. I can bet if all these compounds only were oil based, no one would have gone that route. Testosterone would have prevailed as the first cycle forever
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i believe your absolutely correct

i was just about to start a thread about an AA cycle and the first time- there are many of us who are on the fence but something just keeps us on it. It could be for numerous reasons

I would prefer to run this with someone. No matter how much you read there seems to be paragraph that was missed. Hence all the post "im on my first cycle and..

secondly the source issue. there are so many sites to get "real AAS" yet most are not in the US. sending a money order payable to a guy i dont know, is hard to swallow however if people have 60-120 to throw down on a PH cycle, why not wait an extra month and get real gear?

is the stuff actually legit? if i shoot this into my arm, will it fall off because this isnt actually Test? Then there is the law. Obviously if i get a phone call or a letter from the post master asking me to come pick up my package, you can guarantee that is one package that I will not be going for.

for me its getting caught by the law and if the stuff is actually real stuff. Odds are most likely low for me getting caught but the chance is still there. using the needle doesnt bother me,

you can grow and sell weed and stay stoned all day long, but were not going to allow you to better yourself so no PH or AAS for you. Can go out and get drunk every single night, smoke a carton of cigs every day but the gov bans the stuff that people actually want.

fyucking retarded
 
1test said:
Sure.
These new compounds/ph/designers/whatever you want to call them are good. People like them, more so for the reason because they don't have to inject. I can bet if all these compounds only were oil based, no one would have gone that route. Testosterone would have prevailed as the first cycle forever
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I'm not a fan of test mainly because it aromatizes (don't feel like taking aromatize inhibitors) and the cycles are just too long
 
Perfect advise, right to the point.
georgetown said:
I would look into a properly dosed 1 and 4 andro cycle possibly with epiandro too. Other options would be an Epistane or Halodrol Cycle. It would be smart to have an AI like exemastane on hand, and highly suggest a test base (ex. 4-andro, epiandro). On cycle support should be run throughout and proper pct with SERMs like Clomid and/or Nolvadex for 4 weeks.
A 4-6 week cycle is your best bet for a first cycle. There is much more to learn so ask all the questions you need before you plan to start.
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smith_69 said:
i believe your absolutely correct

i was just about to start a thread about an AA cycle and the first time- there are many of us who are on the fence but something just keeps us on it. It could be for numerous reasons

I would prefer to run this with someone. No matter how much you read there seems to be paragraph that was missed. Hence all the post "im on my first cycle and..

secondly the source issue. there are so many sites to get "real AAS" yet most are not in the US. sending a money order payable to a guy i dont know, is hard to swallow however if people have 60-120 to throw down on a PH cycle, why not wait an extra month and get real gear?

is the stuff actually legit? if i shoot this into my arm, will it fall off because this isnt actually Test? Then there is the law. Obviously if i get a phone call or a letter from the post master asking me to come pick up my package, you can guarantee that is one package that I will not be going for.

for me its getting caught by the law and if the stuff is actually real stuff. Odds are most likely low for me getting caught but the chance is still there. using the needle doesnt bother me,

you can grow and sell weed and stay stoned all day long, but were not going to allow you to better yourself so no PH or AAS for you. Can go out and get drunk every single night, smoke a carton of cigs every day but the gov bans the stuff that people actually want.

fyucking retarded
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For me needles are a problem. I would give up on pinning pretty quickly if every time I have to take a shot it takes me 20 minutes to work up to it.

Also the legality. I don't want to be looking over my shoulder for Johnny Law every time I buy a cycle. And the punishment for steroids is disproportionate to the infraction, it's like taking a compound with an anabolic ratio the opposite of RAD: 1:90 anabolic to androgenic!

So all around, SARMs fit my needs better.
 
I'd say an 8 week cycle of 1, 4, and Epi Andro in the 330mg'ish range if going oral - Transdermal can be less but no one seems to know how much less, so oral gets you the amounts used in research studies shown to have an effect. DHEAs take about 3 weeks just to start noticing, so 4 weeks is out, 6 is ok, but 8 is better. SARMs *may* be safer as far as sides go (questionable re: ALT/AST and HDL/LDL), but compared to what we know about the Andros, they are way untested in my opinion. I also think starting with Osta (unless cutting) would be a little bit of a let down for what a 1st cycler is looking for, and I wouldn't recommend LGD for a first cycle.

Like georgetown said for the rest (On cycle, AI, PCT) Go Andro.
 
This thread is too fun not to sub in. I haven't heard a bad suggestion yet. Sarms, andros, and testosterone are all solid first cycles it just depends how deep in the water you feel like jumping at first.
 
smith_69 said:
i believe your absolutely correct

i was just about to start a thread about an AA cycle and the first time- there are many of us who are on the fence but something just keeps us on it. It could be for numerous reasons

I would prefer to run this with someone. No matter how much you read there seems to be paragraph that was missed. Hence all the post "im on my first cycle and..

secondly the source issue. there are so many sites to get "real AAS" yet most are not in the US. sending a money order payable to a guy i dont know, is hard to swallow however if people have 60-120 to throw down on a PH cycle, why not wait an extra month and get real gear?

is the stuff actually legit? if i shoot this into my arm, will it fall off because this isnt actually Test? Then there is the law. Obviously if i get a phone call or a letter from the post master asking me to come pick up my package, you can guarantee that is one package that I will not be going for.

for me its getting caught by the law and if the stuff is actually real stuff. Odds are most likely low for me getting caught but the chance is still there. using the needle doesnt bother me,

you can grow and sell weed and stay stoned all day long, but were not going to allow you to better yourself so no PH or AAS for you. Can go out and get drunk every single night, smoke a carton of cigs every day but the gov bans the stuff that people actually want.

fyucking retarded
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Gotta agree with you on that. It's legit to smoke your brains out and die but don't do steroids and go to the gym. That's against the law. Well, the steroids part anyway. I'm sure eventually the government will ban gyms. The government can suck my dick.
 
Rob94hawk said:
Gotta agree with you on that. It's legit to smoke your brains out and die but don't do steroids and go to the gym. That's against the law. Well, the steroids part anyway. I'm sure eventually the government will ban gyms. The government can suck my dick.
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ban gyms- lol- im at work and just read that and busted out laughing

we need a good lobbyist in DC if Trump wins-
 
I definitely appreciate all of the replies. My main concern over everything is safety. I want to approach and do everything the safest way possible considering. Although the idea of straight test intrigues me I don't think its a road I can take yet. I would prefer to start with something that was legal and didn't require needles. When I first thought about PHs (1, 4, and Epi Andro) was something I considered. I see this being mentioned throughout the replies, is this a standard starting place and what kind of results could I expect with a steady diet/workout regimen? Also, how much of my gains can I expect to hold onto following a proper PCT?
 
mcmenace said:
...and what kind of results could I expect with a steady diet/workout regimen?
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The Study:

The scientists recruited 17 resistance-trained males (23±1yrs; 13.1±1.5% body fat) and randomly assigned them to ingest either 330mg/day 3b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-17-one (PH; n=9) that were "enhanced" with 50mg of 6,7,-dihydrobergamottin, a grapefruit flavenol member of the furanocoumarin family that inhibits cytochrome P450-34A (Edwards. 1996), or 330mg/day plain maltodextrin (PLA; n=8). During the following 4 weeks, the subjects participated in a 16 session of structured resistance-training.

The training plans were hypertrophy specific and personalized. It is thus not really surprising that all subjects gained a significant amount of lean mass. What is surprising, though is how pronounced the inter-group differences were.

While the "1-Andro cycle" lead to significant increases in lean body mass 6.3±1.2%, decreased the total body fat mass by 24.6±7.1%, and increased the back squat 1-RM and average strength by 14.3±1.5% and 12.8±1.1%, respectively, the participants who were "on sugar" experienced only minor changes in body composition: 0.5±0.8% increases in lean mass and a 9.5±3.6% reduction in body fat. Needless to say that these changes, as well as the increased back squat 1-RM and average strength of 5.7±1.7% and 5.9±1.7% were also statistically different from the pronounced gains in the "1-Andro" group. In fact, they look pretty much like the almost frustatringly slow, but persistent gains you'd expect to see in already highly trained subjects within only 4 weeks (Note: The subjects in the placebo groups, i.e. the "low gainers", had 2 years less training (4.5y) experience than the high gainers in the "1-Andro group" with their 6.3y of resistance training history).
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A solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
 
David Dunn said:
well I hate to disappoint. Really not much to contribute otherwise. Testosterone is the very safest profile. Everyone has their reasons for not using it.
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this is like Deja vu from last night- only this time i will simply say

nice post mr Dunn! LOL

peace out
 
5Percent said:
I'm not a fan of test mainly because it aromatizes (don't feel like taking aromatize inhibitors) and the cycles are just too long
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Buuuut you've never tried it so how do you know if you're a fan or not?
Also, do you not have an aromatase inhibitor for your epi/tren cycle? It would be the same scenario of you were using test; use the AI only if you have to. The cycles aren't too long, once you get on the good stuff you never wanna come off. The cycles end up never being long enough, not the other way around.
 
The stack is Andro the Giant (4-andro) and Super Mandro (1-andro). Someone else recommended epi-andro as well, not sure if I should add another compound on my first cycle, thoughts?

My main question now is what is the best/effective PCT for the above stack as well as on cycle supplements. I'm new to this and want to approach it as safe as possible.
 
mcmenace said:
The stack is Andro the Giant (4-andro) and Super Mandro (1-andro). Someone else recommended epi-andro as well, not sure if I should add another compound on my first cycle, thoughts?

My main question now is what is the best/effective PCT for the above stack as well as on cycle supplements. I'm new to this and want to approach it as safe as possible.
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I would definitely add epiandro (good product is Androvar). They're all andros so it will be a mild cycle even with all three stacked. However I get insane strength gains from epiandro.
 
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