epistane vs super dmz

tysons93

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Hey everybody, I'm researching for a first cycle stats, 22 yrs old 5'9 163 lbs 4 yrs lifting experience I recently gained 25 lbs off a bulk where I was at 172 guessing 16% bf i've now cut down to 163 idk bf. Anyways i have a bottle of super dmz 2.0 that I bought august last year which I've been waiting to run as my first cycle but I'm starting to wonder if this is a good choice. I know dmz is a strong supplement and that actually made me more attracted to it because i want to get the most out of my first cycle. It's a good bulking ph which is what I'm looking for and it all around fits my needs but I'm being cautious now because I'm seeing more and more that it's should be taken by people who have already had one or two cycles under their belt. Im wondering Is it completely unsafe for me to run dmz 2.0 as my first cycle, can I run it and still survive? Would you recommend epistane instead? Woukd epistane give me some serious mass gains?
 
Either would be fine. I prefer epi much more. DMZ is better with a carb heavy diet. Cycle support and solid PCT are a must. don't underestimate the mass one can gain with epi !
 
tysons93 said:
Thanks bro, I thought epi was a cutting ph and not a mass gainer
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Epi solo is great for cutting. I'm cutting on epi / tren stack right now. 10 to 20 lbs up on strength and size gaims , down 12 lbs in 2 weeks. Very potent. Epi solo is a great time. I love Epi. it's also good for bulking

You will find many logs and results posts with solid dry 10 to 20 lb gains on it. Especially considering it has lower sides then many other options. That's great
 
Fughk dmz, there is a reason the steroid roxilon/mebolazine (dymethazine) was left and forgotten around 1960. Epistane is one of the best oral compounds there is imo and would be great as a first cycle
 
+1 for Epistane. You will get great gains out of a first cycle regardless. Very important not to jump in the deep end. The gains you make cant outpace your body's ability to grow and mature or else you will lose the muscle afterwards. Epi will be a very lean bulk with probably big strength gains.
 
tysons93 said:
So dmz is too much? I was really hoping to gain and keep at least 10 lbs is that possible on epi?
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If your diet and training are on point it is easily achievable. Gains on Epi will be dry and lean as well. Good strength and increased definition as well as size.
 
That sounds great im going for epi then but it looks like its been sold out or cant be sold cuz of the ban everywhere i look. I keep finding iml super epi-andro rx, it says it's similar to epi but is dht but I've read about people losing their hair from dht! What do you think?
 
tysons93 said:
Thanks bro, I thought epi was a cutting ph and not a mass gainer
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This is mostly diet and training dependent. Most compounds are better for one than the other but it's not definitive. Diet is the key. Epistane happens to work well for lean bulking or recomping nearly as well as cutting. Eat in a surplus of calories and you will gain mass. Eat in a deficit and do a ton of cardio you will preserve muscle mass while burning off fat. This is oversimplifying a bit but I'm sure you see the point.
 
tysons93 said:
That sounds great im going for epi then but it looks like its been sold out or cant be sold cuz of the ban everywhere i look. I keep finding iml super epi-andro rx, it says it's similar to epi but is dht but I've read about people losing their hair from dht! What do you think?
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It converts to DHT. Epistane is also DHT derived. Both can be tough on the hairline. All DHT derivatives carry the possibility of androgenic sides like hair loss. Doesn't mean it will happen. Plus it really effects those that are predisposed to hair loss. There are shampoos formulated to protect against DHT.
 
Okay Im not predisposed to hairline issues so I think I will be good. I'm just gonna do some searching to see the reputation of this product, do you know if it's any good?
 
tysons93 said:
Okay Im not predisposed to hairline issues so I think I will be good. I'm just gonna do some searching to see the reputation of this product, do you know if it's any good?
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Epi Andro is a good compound. I couldn't speak to the efficacy of that product though. I've never tried it.
 
10lbs on epistane could easily be achieved and kept after pct. running epiandro with epistane would be smart to prevent lethargy and keep your libido up. 4 andro and dermacrine would also work. trest is another test base, but the sides are too much to deal with as a first cycle based off what i see
 
I'm not sure if you already know this or not but Epi andro is not the same as Epistane.
I wouldn't recommend running Epistane and epiandro at the same time cause that will make your joints a living hell. For test base, go with dermacrine or 4-andro.
 
Ok thanks bro I appreciate that info. I'm honestly put off by epistane because of it causing hair loss/thinning as a side which really sucks no offense to bald dudes
 
youre only 22 and unless it runs in your family, going bald from epistane shouldnt be your main concern. besides, there are hair products that you can take if youre really paranoid about losing your hair.
 
demonfox said:
I'm not sure if you already know this or not but Epi andro is not the same as Epistane.
I wouldn't recommend running Epistane and epiandro at the same time cause that will make your joints a living hell. For test base, go with dermacrine or 4-andro.
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I would go for dermacrine
 
i hope i respond to dmz cause my 50 mg dmz a day but wont be able to tell really cause 20 mg msten i know ill respond well to that
 
unreal89 said:
i hope i respond to dmz cause my 50 mg dmz a day but wont be able to tell really cause 20 mg msten i know ill respond well to that
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The msten should do enough on its own hah. I was on dmz but **** didnt happen in 3 weeks so i dropped it. From my experience, i definitely shouldve felt something within those three weeks being that i usually notice **** by the end of week 1 lmao
 
spooneagle said:
How would ostarine fare agonst these two out of curiousity?
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Ostarine is **** compared to epistane imo. Dmz is hit or miss. Epistane is just a great compound imo. Ostarine would only be good imo if you want to preserve muscle mass and strength while in a caloric deficit, but epistane can do the same while adding mass
 
Whats your basis on this 5percent. Have you cycled all of these sups or just going off anecdotal evidence? Genuinely curious is all
 
spooneagle said:
Whats your basis on this 5percent. Have you cycled all of these sups or just going off anecdotal evidence? Genuinely curious is all
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going from other people's experiences, you can still gain from ostarine, no doubt about it. but you would still get shut down, still get liver values altered, still have bp issues, and it can cause high estro sides as well, unlike many ph that doesnt aromatize. so if youre still getting all the sides, then why not go with something that will produce better/more gains
 
I have read nultiple places that sarms such as ostarine do not aromatise ar least not in number large enough that one dhould be concerned about. This is a general statement though. Each body is different. But yes i have read about the somewhat toxic nature osta can have, but for contrast certain people have taken products for fat loss in the past have had way more liver toxicity than what II have read. That arr still healthy and just fine. So i guess it boils down to readers choice + experience may vary. Im just a guy trying to research aas, phs, peptides in search of earning the best body possible at the cost of hard work :D EDIT: and to always have offcial ai's on hand such as anastrozole or exemestane, and clomid and nolva for pct. To be safe...
 
What about msten compared to epi which has a better risk to reward ratio in terms of toxicity and sides just out if curiosity
 
tysons93 said:
What about msten compared to epi which has a better risk to reward ratio in terms of toxicity and sides just out if curiosity
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Idk much about msten actually, as far as I know the only downside to msten would be its toxicity. I would just run epistane as your first cycle then work your way up. Epistane was my first and it did more than i expected
 
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