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MSten and DMZ cycle log

futuredesign

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Running a 5-6 week Msten and DMZ cycle, with a small amount of 4-ad for a test base starting monday. Super DMZ 2.0, along with AT Xtreme DMZ and Xtreme Mass (msten), all bought off ebay.

Does this look good? What am I forgetting? Will start log monday night

DMZ 20/32/36/36/36/52
MSTEN 20/26/26/32/32/32
4-AD 0/0/220/220/220/220

PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/35

Additional Hormone Care: Dermacrine and Eradicate (if needed), and Testofen with Alphatest for after PCT.
Liver Support: Himilaya Liver Care,Milk Thistle, NAC
Supplements: BSN True Mass, Post Jym, and Whey Protein. More creatine during PCT.

Diet: 3750 Calories, 300g Protein, 300g Carb, 150g fat, mainly coming from whole foods, but with the addition of a weight gainer in the morning and a post workout protein shake.

Stats: 25 Years old, 6'3" 204lbs. 9-10% body fat
Goal: Bulk, a 12 lb gain would be nice, with only minimal fat gain.
 
Your going to need tudca about 1 gram should be good, can anyone answer if stacking these is really that much more beneficial than just running one at a good dose?
 
Planning to do something similar with super dmz 2 after this summer. From what I've read the msten is pretty much fine with just the 2 pills a day. I was just gonna do the 2 pills, plus add some Dmz. Subbed for the learning, kill it broski
 
The stack is great. I'm running the same but with some tr3st and stano. Oh yea!

Def add tudca
 
207 lbs. 9.5% BF. 2 Caps of Super DMZ 2.0, 1 pill at 10, 1 at 6.

Something came up yesterday, so I did not start until today. First day on, I dont know if what im feeling is hormone related or placebo, but I had a great chest, shoulder, tri workout. Tommorow is legs and core, looking forward to it.

Not skiing for 2 weeks due to a stupid toenail injury, so glycogen and some muscle weight should come on very quickly due to much less cardio. Looking forward to the muscle memory gainzz, skiing strips muscle from me (although it builds a ton of strength), so dont know how much weight gain I should attribute to that or the Super DMZ 2.0
 
unreal89 said:
well thats the dose gonna run 1/1/2/2/2 and at week 2 gonna start legit m1t at 8 mg a day also.
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Why M1T.. i've used it.. much better things out there imo. But if you have it.. use it.

Test Prop: 150mg EOD 4 weeks
NPP: 150mg EOD 4 weeks
M1T: 4 weeks

Would be awesome
 
I am having a hard time trying to figure this stuff out. I dont know if I should up my dose, or just wait. Do side effects/gains come slow with Super DMZ 2.0? I havent ran dmz in 4 years, i completely forget.

I dont feel "on" at all, mentally, but physically I feel strong, and I think its doing its job because im pumped up all day. I am also feeling slightly lethargic on my 3rd night and i think i remember dmz being pretty lethargic, no?... I added the dermacrine yesterday, and will do every morning, and wow, I noticed it. I wasnt expecting much, and IDK what its doing hormonally, but energy-wise it works wonders. It felt like the smoothest, longest lasting, cup of coffee ever. I will definitely be running more dermacrine in the future.

My last cycle (decaplexx, M1-4-ad, clostebol, 4-andro) was much more intense mentally. Libido was high, even though it was very suppresive. Also my energy and aggression were high too. But, i didnt feel as pumped three days in as i do know. Ill gladly take a little lethargy, along with a heap of mass, because although my last cycle was more energizing, i didnt feel like it as strong as dmz at building muscle mass. nvm with added msten.
 
I bought 2 bottles of sdmz2.0 off of eBay. Finished the first one and I can tell you that mentally I didn't really feel anything. But I definitely got bigger and stronger. Strength gains came at the last week for me but size started coming in from the first week.

Also, the cycle felt really mild to me. Only sides I got was shoulder acne which wasn't serious and it subsided after 2nd week. I have a feeling it's underdosed. So I'm gonna just run the second bottle as well to solidify the current gains and to potentially make more gains
 
demonfox said:
I bought 2 bottles of sdmz2.0 off of eBay. Finished the first one and I can tell you that mentally I didn't really feel anything. But I definitely got bigger and stronger. Strength gains came at the last week for me but size started coming in from the first week.

Also, the cycle felt really mild to me. Only sides I got was shoulder acne which wasn't serious and it subsided after 2nd week. I have a feeling it's underdosed. So I'm gonna just run the second bottle as well to solidify the current gains and to potentially make more gains
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Ya on tuesday i am going to up my doses to 36mg DMZ, 26mg Msten. I am just hoping the lethargy doesn't get too bad. I think its working, its just not as intense mentally as I was hoping. I feel like my body just wants to workout, eat a ton, and then hibernate the rest of the day to grow. dermacrine helps, but for only 4 hours or so. Mirror check this morning is looking promising though. Definitely got a good pump upon wakeup and muscles look full.
 
im gonna run 20 mg msten 50 mg dmz for 8 weeks the dmz coming in at week 3 though so 8 weeks solid of msten hoping i can put on 25 lbs of clean muscle
 
So 5 days in, I can definitely start to tell its working. I weighed in at 209lbs last night, thats 5 lbs !!! probably all glycogen, but hey ill take it. My muscles are starting too look fuller for sure and I am noticing some strength now. This stuff works very rapidly, I feel like im on superdrol. however I still dont feel super strong mentally, which is throwing me for a loop. It is what it is. Today i feel less lethargic, which is good, but well see how i feel come 6 PM,workout time. I took a nap last night before my workout, and i rarely nap..

My workouts seem short, and I just want to keep going. My libido was **** for the first 4 days, and I was getting a little worried, but today its high as a kite. Mentally i feel good because of this stuff, but i do not have that intense "on" feeling I had with some other prohormones. I do not feel strong, but my strength is through the roof. its kind of nice, I can tell my blood pressure isnt as high as it was on other multi compound cycles.. less headaches and better sleep. Im sleeping like a baby, and that's definitely going to contribute to some gainz.

All in all, Im loving super dmz 2.0 so far. Joints feel a little drier than usual, so i will start taking my animal flex.
 
futuredesign said:
Running a 5-6 week Msten and DMZ cycle, with a small amount of 4-ad for a test base starting monday. Super DMZ 2.0, along with AT Xtreme DMZ and Xtreme Mass (msten), all bought off ebay.

Does this look good? What am I forgetting? Will start log monday night

DMZ 20/32/36/36/36/52
MSTEN 20/26/26/32/32/32
4-AD 0/0/220/220/220/220

PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/35

Additional Hormone Care: Dermacrine and Eradicate (if needed), and Testofen with Alphatest for after PCT.
Liver Support: Himilaya Liver Care,Milk Thistle, NAC
Supplements: BSN True Mass, Post Jym, and Whey Protein. More creatine during PCT.

Diet: 3750 Calories, 300g Protein, 300g Carb, 150g fat, mainly coming from whole foods, but with the addition of a weight gainer in the morning and a post workout protein shake.

Stats: 25 Years old, 6'3" 204lbs. 9-10% body fat
Goal: Bulk, a 12 lb gain would be nice, with only minimal fat gain.
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Xtreme Mass comes in 6mg capsules. How are you dosing like this ^ ?
 
I will tweak the dosing a bit, I dont think ill go that high with either. this stuff is stronger than I expected, and i feel like im responding very well.
 
I decided not to up the Msten. I think that is the one creating most of the side effects here. I have upped the dosage of DMZ to 35 mg a day and I feel great. Blood pressure is a little high, but not so bad im getting headaches and cant sleep like my last cycle.

OK so the good stuff. I look like a completely different person than I did 2 weeks ago. This stuff is by far the best mass gainer Ive ever used. Hands down. The DMZ is a little underdosed in the super dmz 2.0 alone, but all the gains i have made so far has been from only 20mg msten and 20mg dmz. I didnt up to 35mg dmz until 2 days ago. And im over 200lbs so doseage has definitely been on the low side. So there is something to be said for mild cycles. I have gotten massive in the past 2 weeks, a few of my friends have all noticed and said something. The scale is saying 11lb gain. Mirror effect is phenominal.

Even better than the size gainz, my strength is amazing. PRs for post back/neck injury squats and deads. Astonishingly ive added 2 plates to each side of the leg press, or 180lbs.. My bench is up 20 lbs, and my dips/pullup/calisthenic endurance has significantly increased. Whats weird is my upper back isnt gaining much strength, cable and dumbbell rows havnt really increased, maybe 5 lbs, but thats normal over 2 weeks for me right now. Maybe because im going harder on my lats than i was before. next back workout im gunna start with rows.

I will be buying more of this stuff. I feel like its better than superdrol, with less sides.
 
Can someone help me out I jus ordered 1 bottle of msten from vicious labs and another dmz from the same company this is my first ph cycle I've tried sarms before like lgd and yk11 i felt pretty good but wanted to try something different any suggestions what should I do? Any on Cycle suggestions and for pct if I cant get any clomid or nolvadex is there any other pct that I can take?
 
817ktwn said:
Can someone help me out I jus ordered 1 bottle of msten from vicious labs and another dmz from the same company this is my first ph cycle I've tried sarms before like lgd and yk11 i felt pretty good but wanted to try something different any suggestions what should I do? Any on Cycle suggestions and for pct if I cant get any clomid or nolvadex is there any other pct that I can take?
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Definitely must get on cycle support Ana SERM for your pct
 
I believe Old Witch and Chados might be able to help in this regard better as I didn’t stack both together before.

Regarding on cycle supports I prefer arimcare pro plus tudca also cycle assist by CEL and kings Guard by OL are good options

Note that there are other good cycle support products but those what I would consider

As for pct chose either clomid or nolvadex and it a plus to ad natural test booster
 
817ktwn said:
Thanks bro any suggestions how I should run the msten and dmz?
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Take one of each in the morning, and one of each 12 hrs later. OR one of each before training and one of each 12 hrs later...

Take 600mg tudca and 1200mg NAC daily. Also methyl-B12 can help keep more of what NAC produces around in the liver.

Afterward take Clomid 25mg EOD for two weeks. That's my traditional oral only pct. you can take it longer, you may need to.

That's what I would do, anyway.
 
I haven't stacked dmz and msten and I feel it would be counterproductive to some degree and arguably add more bloat. I think msten with test preferably included stacked with something like Var or winstrol would be a killer cycle. Thing when you stack msten you'll gain weight and same with dmz but taking both doesn't equal double the gains.. Not even close and that's why I'd rather add something that will make the cycle more clean.

Other options could be epistane if you can't get real aas. Yes epistane is a steroid too but it's sold as a prohormone.
 
Thanks guys for the help I really appreciate it!!! And btw what is nac? When running this cycle how long should I be on it and is there any instructions how should I run this cycle?
 
Chados said:
I haven't stacked dmz and msten and I feel it would be counterproductive to some degree and arguably add more bloat. I think msten with test preferably included stacked with something like Var or winstrol would be a killer cycle. Thing when you stack msten you'll gain weight and same with dmz but taking both doesn't equal double the gains.. Not even close and that's why I'd rather add something that will make the cycle more clean.

Other options could be epistane if you can't get real aas. Yes epistane is a steroid too but it's sold as a prohormone.
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Epistane is a named schedule III like Superdrol.

Super DMZ 2.0 (and its clones) is Msten and DMZ stacked 1:1.
 
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