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LG Sciences said:
The current 4 andro and 1 andro are superior to 1-diol and 4-diol IMHO. Two step conversion is superior to one step because you have two enzymes in the system. We had this debate when I introduced epiandrosterone to the market. I was called name after name... Epiandrosterone is a good prohormone due to the two step conversion. :)
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This statement alone discredits anything, remotely educated, I've ever seen you post. Just wow lol

2-step conversion being better than 1-step?
That's like saying prohormones give better results than active compounds like old school AAS

Is that why we have to dose 1-andro and 4-andro more than twice the dosage than back in the early 2000's when PA introduced the original 1AD 4AD?
 
Its a very simple math issue. Now, the reality is that each body is different however there is a large amount of 17bHSD in the intestinal tract and appears like a good amount of 3bHSD everywhere else. Thus, yes I beleive that two step is superior. Bill W felt that diones were superior to diols and that was all the discussion topic in 2005 lol

The dose of 1-AD back in the day was 3-600mg per day. That was standard protocol.
 
LG Sciences said:
As for the modern PH's being a joke. A study in well trained college kids with a gain of 11lbs and 4lbs of fat loss is pretty compelling to me! I don't see people getting that from Epistane.
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I gained 15.5lbs in 4 weeks on epistane while reducing bodyfat...So I do see people getting that from epistane.
 
Admin , if you're claiming that people have not achieved 10lbs of pure muscle from epistane, you clearly haven't looked into the compound enough.
 
NattyBoy said:
Admin , if you're claiming that people have not achieved 10lbs of pure muscle from epistane, you clearly haven't looked into the compound enough.
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You clearly haven't read the thread.
 
NattyBoy said:
It was my first cycle
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But I also have a close friend that ran the cycle with me and gained 20lbs on a recomp, being his second cycle. If you've been a member on the forums long enough, you would've seen multiple other people yield gains similar...
 
NattyBoy said:
But I also have a close friend that ran the cycle with me and gained 20lbs on a recomp, being his second cycle. If you've been a member on the forums long enough, you would've seen multiple other people yield gains similar...
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Yeah, we haven't been members for long enough so there is that...
 
Admin said:
AustBenny : I can't counter his argument so.....
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They literally are all over threads lately talking about their andros being the best and whatnot...Andros are great, and i've seen plenty of people putting on more mass than I expected, but that was with high dosages from the Hard Rock stacks. They also said epistane was an ai, so i dont think they have room to talk about the compound being "weaker" than the low dosage andros they put out..nuff said
 
I'm not at all interested in countering his argument. I'm all about real AAS.

Just seemed like a biased comment and I called it as such.
 
NattyBoy said:
They literally are all over threads lately talking about their andros being the best and whatnot...Andros are great, and i've seen plenty of people putting on more mass than I expected, but that was with high dosages from the Hard Rock stacks. They also said epistane was an ai, so i dont think they have room to talk about the compound being "weaker" than the low dosage andros they put out..nuff said
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You weigh 170 and bench 225. You actually think you know WTF you are talking about. For the sake of everyone, just STFU.
 
AustBenny said:
I'm not at all interested in countering his argument. I'm all about real AAS.

Just seemed like a biased comment and I called it as such.
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Funny, because all I saw was facts surrounded by comments from people who have no idea what they are talking about...yet think they do.
 
Yes, you were because if you actually took the time to read the thread, you would have seen that. But you came in here, reading a few posts and starting spouting off as if you have any idea what you are talking about. Now once again, STFU.
 
NattyBoy said:
What am i doing against rules that you feel the need to harass me into getting banned?
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Because you've already been banned for acting like a complete jackass before so this is your last warning.
 
Admin said:
Yes, 10lb gain..not 10lbs of muscle. There is a huge difference. Nowhere did anyone prove they gained 10lbs of MUSCLE from Epistane. They have gained 10lbs and depending on the person it could easily be 4-6lbs of water simply by an increase in aldosterone production.



Once again, you are confusing "gains" with muscle. You will actually gain more and keep more muscle on harsher compounds. Anadrol is an amazing muscle builder. You just gain a ****load of water with it but when its all over with, you still keep more MUSCLE. Ask anyone that has taken it.


I don't need your reference points of Bill's book. I already know more than what that book states.

Because I run it.



Of course it COULD happen but nowhere does it state they gained 11 lbs of MUSCLE. They gained 11lbs and you could do that in 6-8 weeks with food ALONE. So you telling me its the compound is simply not accurate. You don't know. There are many more logs with the 4-6lbs WEIGHT gain than 11lbs. Its a mild compound by its own definition.



I'm not beating any horse. You simple don't understand the concepts you are talking about, which is fine...but you probably shouldn't debate those that do.
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People tend to just look at the scale and assume it's all muscle. Lean muscle is comprised of muscle, water and glycogen. It's pretty hard to tell whether the weight on the scale is water, muscle, glycogen or all three. It's usually a mixture of the three..oh and of course fat. I mean depending on diet it can happen regardless of the compounds being run
 
AustBenny said:
I'm not at all interested in countering his argument. I'm all about real AAS.

Just seemed like a biased comment and I called it as such.
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Of course it is biased, but that doesn't mean false or misleading. As for Epistane putting on tons of mass, we have already established that much of the compounds on the market are spiked or wrong. I haven't witnessed very many threads showing huge gains from Epistane and of course on a thread everyone has "18 lbs"...typical forum bro lore.
 
BlockBuilder said:
People tend to just look at the scale and assume it's all muscle. Lean muscle is comprised of muscle, water and glycogen. It's pretty hard to tell whether the weight on the scale is water, muscle, glycogen or all three. It's usually a mixture of the three..oh and of course fat. I mean depending on diet it can happen regardless of the compounds being run
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Its mainly water.

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I was wondering how long it'd be before NattyBoy got banned
 
Isn't the point of the thread that you can get good results fron andro prohormones? I know freaks that gained 20lbs from 1-andro but it isn't the norm. Typical is 10-12lbs from a cycle which I wager is similar to if not superior to things like epistane and halodrol.
 
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