recomp cycle, opinion needed!

hamdysayed

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Hey yall
my original plan was to run 11 oxo with pes Norcodrene and pes f95 and pes shift and ashwagandha, sns glycophase for my largest carb meal of the day.
now I'm thinking running same cycle but without 11 oxo, and after I'm done with this 2 month cycle start 11 oxo and 1andro or epistane, I'm skeptical about using epistane again since the first cycle I ran it messed me up but then again I did alot of mistakes on my first cycle...
so any suggestions or help would be appreciated yall!
Danes yates84
 
hamdysayed said:
Hey yall
my original plan was to run 11 oxo with pes Norcodrene and pes f95 and pes shift and ashwagandha, sns glycophase for my largest carb meal of the day.
now I'm thinking running same cycle but without 11 oxo, and after I'm done with this 2 month cycle start 11 oxo and 1andro or epistane, I'm skeptical about using epistane again since the first cycle I ran it messed me up but then again I did alot of mistakes on my first cycle...
so any suggestions or help would be appreciated yall!
Danes yates84
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Hi buddy :)

Recomp cycle, do you want to run PHs?
 
So basically you want help in the decision if you should cut with a Prohormone or cut without and then bulk lean with a Prohormone.

What were your problems with the epistane cycle? One makes mistakes to learn, even in this field :D
 
Danes said:
Hi buddy :)

Recomp cycle, do you want to run PHs?
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Hey bro mainly the 11 oxo at 300 mg for fat loss not the epistane since it was intense and if I run it I'm staying in the range of 36 mg, I don't think I want to get any bigger than 200 lbs as I realized it's too much food to eat to maintain 215 lbs and up.
What are your thoughts tho?
 
hamdysayed said:
Hey bro mainly the 11 oxo at 300 mg for fat loss not the epistane since it was intense and if I run it I'm staying in the range of 36 mg, I don't think I want to get any bigger than 200 lbs as I realized it's too much food to eat to maintain 215 lbs and up.
What are your thoughts tho?
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Focusing 100% on diet would be best but adding Forskolin, 11-OXO would be a good add :)
 
Danes said:
Focusing 100% on diet would be best but adding Forskolin, 11-OXO would be a good add :)
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Yeah this time I'll be focusing on diet, so you wouldn't recommend
pes norco plus pes shift etc for 2 month
then run 11 oxo and epistane for 2 month after to maximize ?
 
hamdysayed said:
Yeah this time I'll be focusing on diet, so you wouldn't recommend
pes norco plus pes shift etc for 2 month
then run 11 oxo and epistane for 2 month after to maximize ?
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You can throw them in.
But i would not run any anabolics without test base. You didnt felt good on epistane and you could avoid a lot of sides if you add 4-AD/4-DHEA
 
Danes said:
You can throw them in.
But i would not run any anabolics without test base. You didnt felt good on epistane and you could avoid a lot of sides if you add 4-AD/4-DHEA
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Hmm I shouldn't be suppressed that hard from 300 so if go epistane I will do 4dhea.
any other suggestions additions etc plz?
 
hamdysayed said:
Hmm I shouldn't be suppressed that hard from 300 so if go epistane I will do 4dhea.
any other suggestions additions etc plz?
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I mean if you go for epistane, a test base would work wonders!
Add some adaptogens such as Schisandra, ashwagandha etc
 
If you go with Epistane you should of course take a liver support or better a complete on cycle support. 11-OXO should be fine without.
And of course your PCT will have to be stronger for the epistane.

You could also look into Furazadrol or Stanodrol for options that are non-methyls or into Halodrol or Tr1umph for alternatives to epistane. The last ones will "need" a test base too, while the first ones can be run without (of course the addition has benefits here too).
 
Bunshichi said:
If you go with Epistane you should of course take a liver support or better a complete on cycle support. 11-OXO should be fine without.
And of course your PCT will have to be stronger for the epistane.

You could also look into Furazadrol or Stanodrol for options that are non-methyls or into Halodrol or Tr1umph for alternatives to epistane. The last ones will "need" a test base too, while the first ones can be run without (of course the addition has benefits here too).
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Epistane or methyldiazirinol (triumphalis) would both be great for a recomp. Like said above, both would need a test base such as dermacrine or androvar. Methyldiazirinol would probably be better than epistane based off the fact that epistane puts you at risk of rebound gyno. I ran epistane last time btw and wish i tried methyldiazirinol instead, so definitely look into both and chose which appeals to you most
 
With 1-andro converting to 1-test.. 1-andro + DMZ would be an awesome recomp stack. I'd stack it with Evomuse BRITE, and ReduceXT. That combo would be awesome. Coleus Forskollin would be a solid addition. Stack it with a stim fat burner...
 
criticalbench said:
With 1-andro converting to 1-test.. 1-andro + DMZ would be an awesome recomp stack. I'd stack it with Evomuse BRITE, and ReduceXT. That combo would be awesome. Coleus Forskollin would be a solid addition. Stack it with a stim fat burner...
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Doesn't 1 andro make people lethargic and feel shutdown though?
 
I would think DMZ is somewhere out of the league for someone thinking about 11-OXO. Its another level in terms of sides and toxicity (is that word even right?) even compared with Epistane etc
 
Things that are "mildly supressive" like 11-OXO seem to supress more with the length of the cycle. In other words, 4 weeks on and you may not see a difference, 12 weeks and you could be shut down. What I would do is cut with the mild compound (11-OXO, osta, etc.) and then since you're already partially shut down go onto a stronger compound for 6 weeks or whatever and then run a solid PCT.
Something like:
Week 1-8
11-OXO 300mg
Osta 20mg
Week 8-14
Transdermal trest
PH of choice (can be epi)
Week 14-20+
PCT

As far as OTC supplements I'd suggest you get a browning agent such as Antaeus' BAIBA or Lipomorph. I like to just stack it with EC for a solid, simple fat loss stack that will have you skipping with energy even in a calorie deprived state.
 
Bunshichi said:
If you go with Epistane you should of course take a liver support or better a complete on cycle support. 11-OXO should be fine without.
And of course your PCT will have to be stronger for the epistane.

You could also look into Furazadrol or Stanodrol for options that are non-methyls or into Halodrol or Tr1umph for alternatives to epistane. The last ones will "need" a test base too, while the first ones can be run without (of course the addition has benefits here too).
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Everything can be ran without test base but the main question is, do you like to lose libido, feel lethargic +++?
My friend ran 30mg epistane and he felt like ****. If he ran it with 4-AD,4-DHEA and even Trest, he would keep the libido, energy ++. Better mood,energy = better gains. Feeling like **** would destroy gains imo
 
Thats why I put the "" to the -need-
I strongly advise to use one as I know that even 20mg of Epistane can make you really lethargic in no time if you are prone to it.
 
Danes said:
Everything can be ran without test base but the main question is, do you like to lose libido, feel lethargic +++?
My friend ran 30mg epistane and he felt like ****. If he ran it with 4-AD,4-DHEA and even Trest, he would keep the libido, energy ++. Better mood,energy = better gains. Feeling like **** would destroy gains imo
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I def will do test base if I run anything that will shut me down, and thanks for suggestion@whoheisripped but that's a very long cycle haha.
 
Bunshichi said:
Thats why I put the "" to the -need-
I strongly advise to use one as I know that even 20mg of Epistane can make you really lethargic in no time if you are prone to it.
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20/30/30/40 epistane was my first cycle, libido had dropped by the end of week 3 due to not having a test base
 
NattyBoy said:
Doesn't 1 andro make people lethargic and feel shutdown though?
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You can't avoid shutdown on hormones, so disregard that. Lethargic, have not seen that mentioned in logs really.

1-testosterone is my preferred target hormone after conversion.
 
I'm excited to try 1 andro I was lethargic on epistane even with 4dhea but it wasn't bad.
I know recovery was good honestly bios of test base that's why I'll always run strong compounds with test base.
I wonder if I run 300 mg 11 oxo for 2 month
and run pct with clomid 25/25/25/25 would that work? Or what are suggestions?
 
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