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Dermatr3st vs Dermacrine

LiftWithDonuts

LiftWithDonuts

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Thoughts on which would be a better test base and why?

What doses/pumps would you do each?
 
What are you wanting to stack it with? Have you read about the possible sides of trest? Do you have a good ai like exemestane or adex. I'd have exemestane on hand. I liked Trest when I ran it. I actually just started some dermacrine today.
 
Right now I'm taking dermacrine at 4 pumps with halo. I have read about the sides.
My plan is to run trest and dermatrest with dmz in a few months and I'll have some exem on hand. Did you do both td and oral trest?
 
Matthandyo said:
Right now I'm taking dermacrine at 4 pumps with halo. I have read about the sides.
My plan is to run trest and dermatrest with dmz in a few months and I'll have some exem on hand. Did you do both td and oral trest?
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Good plan for the dmz and Trest, that'll be nice. And yes I tried the TD for 3.5 weeks at 75mg then started to run the oral all the way up to 200mg. Which is a crazy dose and I don't recommend.

Your gonna need some supports; CEL cycle support, tudca. Also make sure you preload with some Hawthorne berry 2 weeks before your cycle to help with BP.

For your pct make sure you have some clomid and any other goodies you like during your pct's
 
Burnfire said:
Good plan for the dmz and Trest, that'll be nice. And yes I tried the TD for 3.5 weeks at 75mg then started to run the oral all the way up to 200mg. Which is a crazy dose and I don't recommend.

Your gonna need some supports; CEL cycle support, tudca. Also make sure you preload with some Hawthorne berry 2 weeks before your cycle to help with BP.

For your pct make sure you have some clomid and any other goodies you like during your pct's
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We're you running the td and oral at the same time?
From what I understand some people take the oral trest pre workout
 
anab0lix said:
How's the dermacrine treating you?

How long has it been on since you started taking dermacrine?
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Today is day 3. I had to start taking it to combat the lethargy which kicked in like crazy. Slept 12.5 hours and still could barely get out of bed. It really sucked. But basically right after the first dose I had more than enough energy throughout the day, was even a little hard to get to sleep which was okay. I prefer that over feeling like sh*t
 
Yeah after I experienced what it felt like to be fully shutdown on phera. Never again will I run anything without a base.

Even though TD trest will soon be gone from the US market, I'm hoping stuff like Dermacrine will be around for a while.

Does dermacrine have enough conversion to test for it to have any anabolic activity?
 
anab0lix said:
Yeah after I experienced what it felt like to be fully shutdown on phera. Never again will I run anything without a base.

Even though TD trest will soon be gone from the US market, I'm hoping stuff like Dermacrine will be around for a while.

Does dermacrine have enough conversion to test for it to have any anabolic activity?
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I don't believe Dermacrine is meant to be anabolic at all. A "test" base isn't about testosterone specifically. It's more about using a product that aromatizes to get some estrogen in you system. If you wanna be specific I'd call it an "estrogen base".
 
T-Bone said:
I don't believe Dermacrine is meant to be anabolic at all. A "test" base isn't about testosterone specifically. It's more about using a product that aromatizes to get some estrogen in you system. If you wanna be specific I'd call it an "estrogen base".
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Since that's the case, wouldn't dermacrine increase chances of getting gyno?
 
NattyBoy said:
Since that's the case, wouldn't dermacrine increase chances of getting gyno?
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Not really, it's all about balancing estrogen, not destroying it. The fear of estrogen on this board has seemed to spread like wildfire. Estrogen is a good thing. Lowering estrogen too much will raise "bad" cholesterol and lower "good" cholesterol. That's not something you want on cycle, or want more of on cycle because the AAS are already doing that. People fear trest because of the high rate of estrogen conversion and that's one of the reasons it gives such great gains. People will run trest and destroy their cycle by killing estrogen completely, and then tell everyone trest sucks because they hardly got any gains. Don't use an anti E unless you have to and even then use the least amount possible to eliminate symptoms.
 
Yeah I agree, I don't want to ever crush estrogen on a cycle. When I am using trest on my next cycle I think I will use formestane every 3rd day. Even then I will have to see how I am doing and adjust my dosage.
 
T-Bone said:
Not really, it's all about balancing estrogen, not destroying it. The fear of estrogen on this board has seemed to spread like wildfire. Estrogen is a good thing. Lowering estrogen too much will raise "bad" cholesterol and lower "good" cholesterol. That's not something you want on cycle, or want more of on cycle because the AAS are already doing that. People fear trest because of the high rate of estrogen conversion and that's one of the reasons it gives such great gains. People will run trest and destroy their cycle by killing estrogen completely, and then tell everyone trest sucks because they hardly got any gains. Don't use an anti E unless you have to and even then use the least amount possible to eliminate symptoms.
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People fear trest because of the high rate of estrogen conversion really ? i always thought that people are afraid because trest is no 1 in terms of suppression and high risk of infertility
 
bobi593 said:
People fear trest because of the high rate of estrogen conversion really ? i always thought that people are afraid because trest is no 1 in terms of suppression and high risk of infertility
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Kind of all of them from what I've been reading. It doesn't convert to regular estrogen either.

Though from all the research done on it, the infertility issue is definitely temporary.
 
anab0lix said:
Kind of all of them from what I've been reading. It doesn't convert to regular estrogen either.

Though from all the research done on it, the infertility issue is definitely temporary.
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Temporary in the study dosage some dudes on this forum are running 150-200/day
 
BamBam0319 said:
F*ck.
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But there are guys that have been using it IM and since it's been out over at PHF and none of them seem to have any problems. I don't know, I guess at those dosages it's definitely possible....even at lower doses I guess for some it could effect them just as bad. It is one potent compound for sure.
 
anab0lix said:
But there are guys that have been using it IM and since it's been out over at PHF and none of them seem to have any problems. I don't know, I guess at those dosages it's definitely possible....even at lower doses I guess for some it could effect them just as bad. It is one potent compound for sure.
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Indeed. Good thing I don't plan on having kids for a good while.
 
BamBam0319 said:
F*ck.
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i was thinking to buy this stuff $$$ is not the case recovery and infertility is , what makes me wonder is the guys who run this said ( in the best scenario) i recovered fine blood work show my test is in normal range none of them say anything about sperm count/interfility ect , im not trying to say this stuff is totally bad for older users especially who has kids already and they do not want more is fine but for young mens big no no....
 
anab0lix said:
But there are guys that have been using it IM and since it's been out over at PHF and none of them seem to have any problems. I don't know, I guess at those dosages it's definitely possible....even at lower doses I guess for some it could effect them just as bad. It is one potent compound for sure.
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1 month after Trestolone/test PCT and toremifene failed Check this
 
NattyBoy said:
Torem couldve been bunk/underdosed. I hear a lot about rc grade torem being hard to find legit
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Funny you should say that, I got gyno and was ****ed up for almost a good 2 years after a phera cycle due to bunk torem.

Had the cold raisin balls, shriveled up schlong, and gyno. Was a scary time.

But I ran nolva for 6 weeks tapering down last two weeks.


Last winter I got blood test done my free test was 922 and total around 147. No **** lol...this was about a half a year after I did the late PCT with legit nolva.
 
anab0lix said:
Funny you should say that, I got gyno and was ****ed up for almost a good 2 years after a phera cycle due to bunk torem.

Had the cold raisin balls, shriveled up schlong, and gyno. Was a scary time.

But I ran nolva for 6 weeks tapering down last two weeks.


Last winter I got blood test done my free test was about 1100 and total around 900. No **** lol...this was about a half a year after I did the late PCT with legit nolva.
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. How old are you?
 
anab0lix said:
bobi593 said:
After I realized my PCT failed it took a really long time for me to start feeling better. For a while it was bad, I couldn't even get hard.

If it wasn't for the late PCT with nolva I don't think I would have recovered as quick.
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I ended PCT on Saturday from test/deca... Deca is really hard to recover from man... Libido disappeared about 4 weeks after last pin (which was about 6 weeks ago) and it's just starting to come back this week. Nuts are returning too.
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