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Donald Trump running for president

Gutterpump said:
Not that I condone it, but if anyone deserves it, it certain is us white people. We've $hit on practically ever race out there, exploiting millions over the centuries.
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Yeah but I refuse to have any "white guilt".

"White privelege" on the other hand....mmmmhmmmm. Love me some white privelege
 
Gutterpump said:
No politician support illegal immigration lol but the way Trump approaches immigration in general is over the top.
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You are out of your mind if you believe thishttp://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/4/state-dept-program-would-fly-in-immigrant-children/

These people have no rights to be here.
 
Dma378 said:
Yeah but I refuse to have any "white guilt".

"White privelege" on the other hand....mmmmhmmmm. Love me some white privelege
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Oh yeah, I have no guilt personally. But there's definitely a a very historic and ongoing reason we've been labeled the 'white devil'.
 
youngandfree said:
You are out of your mind if you believe thishttp://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/4/state-dept-program-would-fly-in-immigrant-children/

These people have no rights to be here.
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I didn't post that link. Nor have I said that I support illegal immigration, mmmmkay?
 
Gutterpump said:
Not that I condone it, but if anyone deserves it, it certainly is us white people. We've $hit on practically ever race out there, exploiting millions over the centuries.
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I dont think white people deserve anything repercussions at all. The only people that deserve anything are the specific criminals that $hits on every race out there. You will find these people in all races such as Chinese suppression on Tibetans, except the individuals $hitting on them deserve repercussions, not the Chinese race.
 
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Here's an old report showing that illegals received welfare, even though it's "against the law". Of course the money went to thwir "citizen anchor baby." That's as bad as saying it's illegal for federal money to go to abortions, yet we give $500 M a year to the largest abortion provider in America.
 
ax1 said:
I dont think white people deserve anything repercussions at all. The only people that deserve anything are the specific criminals that $hits on every race out there. You will find these people in all races such as Chinese suppression on Tibetans, except the individuals $hitting on them deserve repercussions, not the Chinese race.
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There are oppressive people everywhere yes, but white people, particularly America and the UK, have a long long evil history of colonialism and enslavement of other races. What I am saying is that I understand where feelings of resentment come from. But I do not condone any racism.
 
Dma378 said:
Yeah but I refuse to have any "white guilt".

"White privelege" on the other hand....mmmmhmmmm. Love me some white privelege
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lol...I bet all those poor whites collecting welfare and food stamps that you mentioned feel real privileged, lol...

the only color with privilege in this country today is green...poor is poor and it sucks no matter your race/sex/religion.
 
Gutterpump said:
No politician support illegal immigration lol but the way Trump approaches immigration in general is over the top.
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This is why you're out of your mind. Of a politician has a D beside their name, and many of the R's do as well. Democrats are pushing for amnesty and a way to get them voting. California gives drivers licenses to illegals. They want voter registratio . To happen at the DMV. IF the voter registrar sees a drivers license, do you think they are actually going to verify if the person is legal?
 
Gutterpump said:
There are oppressive people everywhere yes, but white people, particularly America and the UK, have a long long evil history of colonialism and enslavement of other races. What I am saying is that I understand where feelings of resentment come from. But I do not condone any racism.
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Well if people feel resentment like that towards a race because specific individuals within a race did some crazy dirty stuff, then they are racist, thats all there is to it. They are low life racist bastards.
 
youngandfree said:
This is why you're out of your mind. Of a politician has a D beside their name, and many of the R's do as well. Democrats are pushing for amnesty and a way to get them voting. California gives drivers licenses to illegals. They want voter registratio . To happen at the DMV. IF the voter registrar sees a drivers license, do you think they are actually going to verify if the person is legal?
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So you want more unlicensed uninsured immigrants on the road. Ok sounds good
 
ax1 said:
Well if people feel resentment like that towards a race because specific individuals within a race did some crazy dirty stuff, then they are racist, thats all there is to it. They are low life racist bastards.
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I think it's more than just a few individuals, it's been policy and status-quo over our history, not just individual action. But yes racism sucks, I do not disagree.
 
Dma378 said:
So you want more unlicensed uninsured immigrants on the road. Ok sounds good
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But if your an illegal immigrant and get caught driving not only do you get arrested for driving unlicensed but also deported for being here illegally.

So, in other-words they shouldnt be here in the first place driving illegally, they also shouldnt even be walking here illegally which is why they need to go back home.
 
Gutterpump said:
I think it's more than just a few individuals, it's been policy and status-quo over our history, not just individual action. But yes racism sucks, I do not disagree.
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Yeah, it bothered me when Im in China when ever Japan is bought up they (well, not all) get caught up in WWII and other stuff. Government encourages this though I think in order to get people worked up on shyt that has no relevancy to their actual current situation and get the pressure off the government.
 
Man if you guys just had access to the killer Mexican food we do in AZ, you'd reconsider.

Idk, I guess it's the definition of progressive. Accepting things realistically for how they are and how to make them work.

And conservative, how to change things to how they used to be.

I'm just not certain anything was ever so great worth going back to.
 
ax1 said:
Well if people feel resentment like that towards a race because specific individuals within a race did some crazy dirty stuff, then they are racist, thats all there is to it. They are low life racist bastards.
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lol...sounds like you are calling gutterpump a racist......
 
thebigt said:
lol...sounds like you are calling gutterpump a racist......
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No no bigT, gutterpump has a good heart, we have some big political/philosophical difference but no he is not a racist, lol
 
thebigt said:
lol...I bet all those poor whites collecting welfare and food stamps that you mentioned feel real privileged, lol...

the only color with privilege in this country today is green...poor is poor and it sucks no matter your race/sex/religion.
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Well white people tend to make more money, and have more opportunities. I certainly shot past many qualified Hispanics at my own job. A bit of privilege with the police. It's all good. I embrace it.
 
Dma378 said:
Well white people tend to make more money, and have more opportunities. I certainly shot past many qualified Hispanics at my own job. A bit of privilege with the police. It's all good. I embrace it.
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Think about this....if Americans started crossing the border into Mexico illegally, how would their opportunities look like? They would get arrested and sent back.
 
ax1 said:
Yeah, it bothered me when Im in China when ever Japan is bought up they (well, not all) get caught up in WWII and other stuff. Government encourages this though I think in order to get people worked up on shyt that has no relevancy to their actual current situation and get the pressure off the government.
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Pretty bad what's going on over there with Tibet. I haven't been following for some time now though. One of my ex-gf's is also Taiwanese. What's the current situation with China over Taiwan now? With all of China's bolstered military, I know they've been making some bold moves.
 
Dma378 said:
Well white people tend to make more money, and have more opportunities. I certainly shot past many qualified Hispanics at my own job. A bit of privilege with the police. It's all good. I embrace it.
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affirmative action must be AWOL where you live, lol.

btw-I agree 100% with you on the need for a safety net...I was studying in the phillipines on the old GI BILL back in the early 80's when marcos was still in power. I saw 1st hand what it was like in a country with no safety net[welfare/medical/entitlements]. they would just drop dying people off in the parking lot of hospital if they had no money to pay. when they died there were people who came around to collect and dispose f the bodies. kids with one leg would hop around selling cigarettes and at night the streets were full of homeless...

there was a famous bridge between the base and the main road outside called 'shlt river bridge' it was called that for good reason. as sailors walked across the bridge young kids would be in boats on the river yelling throw a peso...when someone threw a peso in the water they would dive to bottom to get it.

when I lived in philipines back then it is the only time in my life I truly experienced 'WHITE PRIVILEGE'. it really meant something good to be an American in those days...I went to 47 different countries in my time in the navy, and americans were well like and respected-UNLIKE TODAY!!!
 
Gutterpump said:
Pretty bad what's going on over there with Tibet. I haven't been following for some time now though. One of my ex-gf's is also Taiwanese. What's the current situation with China over Taiwan now? With all of China's bolstered military, I know they've been making some bold moves.
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Its complicated but Ill try to sum it up. China has every intention of some day unifying Taiwan. They have new trade deals as Taiwans current president Ma has set the stage to improve relations with China. This has met up with alot of opposition as secret trade deals get people worried about their little country and own culture they developed.

There is a new arms deal coming up with Taiwan from the US for the first time in 4 years so Beijing is flipping out about that.

What to look for is the 2016 election, Ma's party lost control 2 years ago or so and the presidential election is the 2016 one.

If the next president of Taiwan pushes for "independence" by official means there is no telling what China will do.

Then there are all those things going on with the islands, the man-made military islands, the expansion of sea claims but all this also involved Korea, Japan, Vietnam as well as other countries.

They should be talking about this stuff more often in the news here, its important and most Americans have no idea about the Taiwan election unless you go online and look for asian news.
 
Dma378 said:
Man if you guys just had access to the killer Mexican food we do in AZ, you'd reconsider.

Idk, I guess it's the definition of progressive. Accepting things realistically for how they are and how to make them work.

And conservative, how to change things to how they used to be.

I'm just not certain anything was ever so great worth going back to.
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So making progress means having the 2 oldest whitest people as top candidates for the democrats?
 
ax1 said:
Its complicated but Ill try to sum it up. China has every intention of some day unifying Taiwan. They have new trade deals as Taiwans current president Ma has set the stage to improve relations with China. This has met up with alot of opposition as secret trade deals get people worried about their little country and own culture they developed.

There is a new arms deal coming up with Taiwan from the US for the first time in 4 years so Beijing is flipping out about that.

What to look for is the 2016 election, Ma's party lost control 2 years ago or so and the presidential election is the 2016 one.

If the next president of Taiwan pushes for "independence" by official means there is no telling what China will do.

Then there are all those things going on with the islands, the man-made military islands, the expansion of sea claims but all this also involved Korea, Japan, Vietnam as well as other countries.

They should be talking about this stuff more often in the news here, its important and most Americans have no idea about the Taiwan election unless you go online and look for asian news.
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good info!!! I learned something here!!!
 
youngandfree said:
So making progress means having the 2 oldest whitest people as top candidates for the democrats?
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I suppose you think the GOP's being very progressive by nominating a black presidential candidate who also happens to be a scientist that doesn't believe in actual science?
 
thebigt said:
affirmative action must be AWOL where you live, lol.

btw-I agree 100% with you on the need for a safety net...I was studying in the phillipines on the old GI BILL back in the early 80's when marcos was still in power. I saw 1st hand what it was like in a country with no safety net[welfare/medical/entitlements]. they would just drop dying people off in the parking lot of hospital if they had no money to pay. when they died there were people who came around to collect and dispose f the bodies. kids with one leg would hop around selling cigarettes and at night the streets were full of homeless...

there was a famous bridge between the base and the main road outside called 'shlt river bridge' it was called that for good reason. as sailors walked across the bridge young kids would be in boats on the river yelling throw a peso...when someone threw a peso in the water they would dive to bottom to get it.

when I lived in philipines back then it is the only time in my life I truly experienced 'WHITE PRIVILEGE'. it really meant something good to be an American in those days...I went to 47 different countries in my time in the navy, and americans were well like and respected-UNLIKE TODAY!!!
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I can also agree that Americans are not respected as they once were abroad. But that has been in decline for decades.
 
Dma378 said:
I can also agree that Americans are not respected as they once were abroad. But that has been in decline for decades.
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this is very true. respect for american was very low during carter when he turned his back on the shah of iran and Khomeini took over the u.s embassy along with hostages[which was btw the start of modern day radical Islamic terrorism, imo].. Reagan restored Americas respect to a large degree, but the real decline that continues thru today started with Clinton and has been continued with every president since then, imo
 
thebigt said:
this is very true. respect for american was very low during carter when he turned his back on the shah of iran and Khomeini took over the u.s embassy along with hostages[which was btw the start of modern day radical Islamic terrorism, imo].. Reagan restored Americas respect to a large degree, but the real decline that continues thru today started with Clinton and has been continued with every president since then, imo
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I can also agree with this. I do think it has less to do with who was in office and just socio-economic factors.
 
Dma378 said:
I can also agree with this. I do think it has less to do with who was in office and just socio-economic factors.
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have to disagree here...I think every president sets his stamp on the attitude of the people. Reagans flavor was personal responsibility. Clinton brought in the 'if it feels good do it' age, and the country has been going downward since, imo.
 
thebigt said:
have to disagree here...I think every president sets his stamp on the attitude of the people. Reagans flavor was personal responsibility. Clinton brought in the 'if it feels good do it' age, and the country has been going downward since, imo.
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But I disagree as to that being the reason we're disliked. The world hates an iron fist and intimidation. And just like on a smaller scale here, the lower economic classes clash with the higher. The same is on a global scale. We continue to have more, while the rest continue to have less. The biggest discourse for violence and crime is inequality.
 
Now I'm not saying leveling the playing field socially an economically is ever possible. Or would I even want that. Just kind of matter of fact.
 
CJNator said:
What do you guys mean by America declining?
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This sums it all up, short and simple.

vvv When they build bridges to catch falling debris from other bridges from falling onto traffic below because they couldnt afford to repair the bridge you will find your answer :)

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Dma378 said:
But I disagree as to that being the reason we're disliked. The world hates an iron fist and intimidation. And just like on a smaller scale here, the lower economic classes clash with the higher. The same is on a global scale. We continue to have more, while the rest continue to have less. The biggest discourse for violence and crime is inequality.
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yes, maybe not liked...but respected. the rest of the world not only doesn't like us anymore, but they also have no respect for us either.
 
I wonder who's going to say the craziest stuff tonight to try to bump poll numbers. My money is on Carson
 
ax1 said:
This sums it all up, short and simple.

vvv When they build bridges to catch falling debris from other bridges from falling onto traffic below because they couldnt afford to repair the bridge you will find your answer :)

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Ehhh that just maintenance issues, the state government probably has the funds to repair them; its just about priorities.
 
Fuk you cnn. This is why it's a joke. Politics is just another sport. Nice piece of shiit Monday Night Football-esque intro.
 
Dma378 said:
Fuk you cnn. This is why it's a joke. Politics is just another sport. Nice piece of shiit Monday Night Football-esque intro.
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Did you really expect anything else? It's really just another Reality Show for the networks. I think Mattandyo had it right.....It's really about who's the craziest at this point. Why else would Trump be ahead in the polls??
 
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