Donald Trump running for president

Dma378 said:
Difference being the "N" word. It is a deal breaker I guess. Selective racism is a real thing. Or racism of Non-Americans is acceptable. I do have to say, if Trump started calling people n***ers, it would be the end.
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So is a stereotype of an Religion/Ideology racism now? I never knew Islam is a race, I dont think it is.
 
ax1 said:
So is a stereotype of an Religion/Ideology racism now? I never knew Islam is a race, I dont think it is.
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Is that all he does? Persecute all Muslims? No I'm fairly sure he's also racist against Hispanics, against all non-Americans actually.

No one stated that Islam is a race? Why are you putting words in his mouth? Lol... Not a good practice when debating!

Btw, looking forward to the debate tonight!
 
Gutterpump said:
Is that all he does? Persecute all Muslims? No I'm fairly sure he's also racist against Hispanics, against all non-Americans actually.

I'm not stating that Islam is a race am I? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Lol
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Yo! I was asking what you think, lol

I see Trump has some minority vote and support including Hispanics. Many just don't see things the same way.

Of course if some want their family to come across illegally they may be somewhat biased or if they are already here illegally. Automatic racism.
 
ax1 said:
Yo! I was asking what you think, lol

I see Trump has some minority vote and support including Hispanics. Many just don't see things the same way.

Of course if some want their family to come across illegally they may be somewhat biased or if they are already here illegally. Automatic racism.
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No politician support illegal immigration lol but the way Trump approaches immigration in general is over the top.
 
Gutterpump said:
No politician support illegal immigration lol but the way Trump approaches it is over the top
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Obama does, he just gives millions of them amnesty instead of deporting them. Also wide open borders etc..this isn't just Obama.
 
ax1 said:
Obama does, he just gives millions of them amnesty instead of deporting them. Also wide open borders etc..this isn't just Obama.
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I live in Arizona, probably the hot-bed of the immigration debate. You can believe that ICE stays busy processing and deporting illegal immigrants. But the resources are only capable of so much. Deportation on a large scale, i.e. millions of people, is down right nonsensical. Not to mention it would leave a void in the work force that is irreparable. It would not be filled, period. So amnesty actually makes a bit of sense. Save on the law enforcement resources spent, and collect some tax money.

The border itself obviously needs attention. I am not in favor of illegal immigration by any means. But I am a realist, and deporting the millions that are already here, have been here is not going to happen. It couldn't happen. And doesn't even make any damn sense.

And it's not like Obama opened up some border restrictions that were in place. You act like he tore down a wall or something.
 
Gutterpump said:
We should just put a dome over 'Murica
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One thing I have an issue with Trump is that he only preaches the Mexican border. The Canadian border need also apply. If you go by the official 9/11 story (barf) the hijackers came from Canada. So I dunno why I havent heard him preaching build a wall there too.
 
ax1 said:
One thing I have an issue with Trump is that he only preaches the Mexican border. The Canadian border need also apply. If you go by the official 9/11 story (barf) the hijackers came from Canada. So I dunno why I havent heard him preaching build a wall there too.
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Hey!!!! I am in favor of slowing the flow of meth into the country. But do not try and slow down the flow of maple syrup!!!
 
Dma378 said:
I live in Arizona, probably the hot-bed of the immigration debate. You can believe that ICE stays busy processing and deporting illegal immigrants. But the resources are only capable of so much. Deportation on a large scale, i.e. millions of people, is down right nonsensical. Not to mention it would leave a void in the work force that is irreparable. It would not be filled, period. So amnesty actually makes a bit of sense. Save on the law enforcement resources spent, and collect some tax money.

The border itself obviously needs attention. I am not in favor of illegal immigration by any means. But I am a realist, and deporting the millions that are already here, have been here is not going to happen. It couldn't happen. And doesn't even make any damn sense.

And it's not like Obama opened up some border restrictions that were in place. You act like he tore down a wall or something.
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I can understand this, its a fair valid point.

I would just like to take out any incentive and cost to the American tax payer by eliminating all social policies such as welfare, education, food stamps, health care. Its not fair that we have to pay for them. This country is dead broke too and people across the country are feeling it and the country's infrastructure is crumbling.
 
ax1 said:
I would just like to take out any incentive and cost to the American tax payer by eliminating all social policies such as welfare, education, food stamps, health care. Its not fair that we have to pay for them. This country is dead broke too and people across the country are feeling it.
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Myth...non citizens cannot get welfare and food stamps.

Education, yes. And the only health care costs are to us in picking up the tab for treating the uninsured. But as far as non citizens getting state provided insurance, only emergency care.
 
Dma378 said:
Myth...non citizens cannot get welfare and food stamps.

Education, yes. And the only health care costs are to us in picking up the tab for treating the uninsured. But as far as non citizens getting state provided insurance, only emergency care.
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I have family that arent citizens and get welfare/medicaid.
 
Dma378 said:
Let's not forget the largest recipients of welfare and food stamps...

Poor white folks in Red states.
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I have no issue getting rid of Welfare for all immigrants and citizens.
 
ax1 said:
One thing I have an issue with Trump is that he only preaches the Mexican border. The Canadian border need also apply. If you go by the official 9/11 story (barf) the hijackers came from Canada. So I dunno why I havent heard him preaching build a wall there too.
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It is because he is racist. I was just about to ask if he's mentioned building a wall with Canada.

Hawaii will also need a wall built around it, same with Alaska. Definitely with gun-turrets and drones.
 
ax1 said:
I have no issue getting rid of Welfare for all immigrants and citizens.
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That's a lot of helpless kids affected.

Would you also eliminate Disability? Social Security? Medicaid?

This is what we do as a society. We take care of our less fortunate, our elderly, our veterans (or should), etc.

Tax a fuking church or two. Build less bombs by having less enemies. End corruption. The list goes on and on of actual solutions to our poor economic state. And none of them are leaving the less fortunate behind.
 
Gutterpump said:
It is because he is racist. I was just about to ask if he's mentioned building a wall with Canada.

Hawaii will also need a wall built around it, same with Alaska. Definitely with gun-turrets and drones.
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Just to be clear....I am totally against the use of a wall. One day it may be used to keep us in rather than keep them out. Think Vietnam how people needed to get away from that draft. If wall was built things would get far more difficult for individuals to defend their own liberty.
 
Dma378 said:
That's a lot of helpless kids affected.

Would you also eliminate Disability? Social Security? Medicaid?

This is what we do as a society. We take care of our less fortunate, our elderly, our veterans (or should), etc.

Tax a fuking church or two. Build less bombs by having less enemies. End corruption. The list goes on and on of actual solutions to our poor economical state. And none of them are leaving the less fortunate behind.
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I wanna help people too, but the problem I have is government forces me to give to charity of their choice, not mine.

I of course understand the issues you bring up which I DO care about too but there are alternative solutions to these things outside of socialism and if you pick me to be President I will revamp the whole system.
 
Dma378 said:
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What do they do for a living?
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Nothing. Just sit at home and watch antenna TV and cook baked ziti they bought with their food stamps off an electric stove paid by welfare.
 
Dma378 said:
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What do they do for a living?
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Keep in mind, what you post there is from 2014. Laws may have been different before such as the 80's and 90's which is when the people I know got their free stuff.
 
ax1 said:
Just to be clear....I am totally against the use of a wall. One day it may be used to keep us in rather than keep them out. Think Vietnam how people needed to get away from that draft. If wall was built things would get far more difficult for individuals to defend their own liberty.
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Oh I know, and I believe that none of us in here really support Trump as well. It's fun to talk about him though hehe
 
Dma378 said:
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What do they do for a living?
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Ill just add people I know who are the stamp have anchor babies and received a green card or resident something like that as a result.
 
Dma378 said:
Difference being the "N" word. It is a deal breaker I guess. Selective racism is a real thing. Or racism of Non-Americans is acceptable. I do have to say, if Trump started calling people n***ers, it would be the end.
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Racism against white people from others is quite accepted as well.
 
Gutterpump said:
Oh I know, and I believe that none of us in here really support Trump as well. It's fun to talk about him though hehe
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I think whats worse that what he says is that he is going to slaughter and murders possibly millions of people as he expands all these wars once he steps into office.

I only support non-interventionist but at the same time strong military candidates. We marched right in, now its time to march right out.
 
youngandfree said:
Racism against white people from others is quite accepted as well.
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This is true. And I am very much against this as well. I'm definitely not some affirmative action supporter. It's always been this double standard which is BS. So I don't disagree with this.
 
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