Unbiased Ostarine run

Ostarine is a great product when used properly. Keep in mind that people will react differently to various types of compounds. I can honestly say that I enjoy my SARM runs MUCH MORE than I enjoy my PH/DS runs. I am quickly becoming a huge fan of SARM's.

I am running OL LGD right now for the first time (with OL MK-677) and I am loving the results so far. Muscle hardness and definition is up. Vascularity and fullness is up. Also, I am noticeably leaner depite doing only 1 day of cardio in the 2.5 weeks on cycle. I have had zero noticeable side-effects and my libido is probably a touch higher as well.

I have done two previous Ostarine cycles and I was happy with the results of both. The first run I noticed a large drop in libido but I was not using a 'Test' base and I dropped my Estrogen too low with a TD AI (TransForm). Other than that, my joints felt better on cycle and I suffered no noticeable side-effects.

On my second Ostarine cycle, I was thoroughly impressed and much better prepared. I stacked OL Ostarine with Dermacrine (2-3 pumps ED) as my 'Test' base and OL Oliminate (Arimistane) This was ONLY a 30 day run! In those 30 days, I gained 5lbs of mass at the same time as I dropped 2% BF. I lifted 6 days per week and I did fasted cardio in the morning ~ 5 days per week. My goal for the run was to prime my muscles/joints for the DS cycle I was going to be bridging into, and to drop some bodyfat so my results form the second half of my cycle would be more noticeable. I dropped the bodyfat by increasing my work load/capacity and by doing fasted cardio. I did NOT starve my body of calories in hopes of losing bodyfat. If you don't know how to cut properly, you will not see the results you wish to see; Not in the long run anyway. You will see results at first, but the results will stall. You are most likely impairing/damaging your metabolism when this happens. Under maintainence calories is fine, however drasticly reducing calories under maintainence will generally only work in the short term before your body fights back!

In regards to Ostarine only being good for a cut, I don't necessarily believe this to be true. I believe this to be person dependent, in regards to how they respond to SARM's in general, as well as diet and training dependent. I know I can bulk on Ostraine; It would just depend on how much food I ate and how realistic my expectations were to begin with. Of course it would be easier to bulk on SuperDrol and other compounds that were more anabolic in nature, but that goes without saying. Ostarine as a cutter or re-comping agent is certainly well-suited, though.

If you are cutting or trying to drop bodyfat on Ostarine, do it properly. Lower calories in a safe manner AND increase your fasted workload at the same time. You'd also be well-advided to do some reading on pre/intra/post workout nutrient timing, as well as fasted cardio and reverse-dieting, not to mention carb-cycling. These are alll things you should know about if you actually want to cut successfully and have the results last, versus just shedding copious amounts of weight quickly and then gaining it back later because you metabolism is impaired and your diet and nutrition game is sub-par.

The only way you are going to know how YOU respond to Ostarine is to give the product a true and unbiased run. The only way to be unbiased about it is to understand what you need to do to amplify your results. Yes, Ostarine will lower you natural Test production (supression) and so it makes sense to use a base such as Dermacrine to alleviate some of the low Test symptoms. Now, Dermacrine doesn't readily convert to Test (shocker here) but it also can be neuro-stimulatory in other ways and as such can help with feeling lethargic and tired while cycling. Let's not also forget about having ancillaries on hand to control symptoms of unbalanced hormones (such as high estrogen sides), as well as using cycle support supplements to help control high blood pressure, lipid values and maintain proper organ function. By the way, side-effects from anabolic compounds usually arise because the user did not know how his body would respond to said compound, had no idea what his hormonal state was prior to jumping on a hormone-altering compound, or was just ill-prepared and hoping for the best. If you can eliminate as many variables as possible prior to cycling, you will increase you chances of a successful cycle. Knowledge is the best muscle builder I have ever taken. Know what you are taking, why you are taking it (goal) and how to most effectively go about reaching that goal. This is not a game!

In the end, there are way too many variable to factor in when deciding how one person will react to a SARM or any other anabolic compound for that matter. This is why it is necessary to actually use the compound in order to assess it's effectiveness for continual use going forward or cessation of use alltogether. For every person that hates Ostarine and has negative side-effects on the compound, I can guarantee you that you will find a user like myself who has mostly positive things to say about the compound, when used in a smart way with the proper knowledge and preparation. Anybody saying that a particular compound is garbage, without having ever used it or thoroughly researched it, is nothing but a bandwagon jumper in search of the next quickly moving parade. Do your own research and come up with your own answers.

Thanks for your post. I am in a similar situation you described in actually struggling right now to lose some body fat and decided to go with an osta cycle for 6 weeks or so before bridging into my DS/PH. DOING mostly the same things YOU mentioned I Was doing fasted cardio in the form of riding my bike to work every day but I stopped for about a week now due to being very busy , but I will be starting against Thursday hopefully . right now I am at 230 pounds my goal is to get down to 215 but even lower would be great but not realistic in my opinion . I'm also taking ephedra which I don't really like
 
I like to think I know how to cut....in June I was 265 pounds , was wearing a 42 pants. Now, 6 months later I am down to 36 waist , and weigh 230 pounds and obviously have much more muscle and all my lifts are up,much higher than they were in June. However I have been stuck around the 230 235 mark. So now my goal was less calories but more protein , more cardio and now increasing my weight lifting frequency to 6 days a week
 
Thanks for your post. I am in a similar situation you described in actually struggling right now to lose some body fat and decided to go with an osta cycle for 6 weeks or so before bridging into my DS/PH. DOING mostly the same things YOU mentioned I Was doing fasted cardio in the form of riding my bike to work every day but I stopped for about a week now due to being very busy , but I will be starting against Thursday hopefully . right now I am at 230 pounds my goal is to get down to 215 but even lower would be great but not realistic in my opinion . I'm also taking ephedra which I don't really like

I am lucky in that I never have to struggle to lose weight. I have been unlucky in the past because it has always been difficult for me to gain and maintain mass. It has become easier now with repitition (muscle memory) and a slightly slower metabolism due to age.

I definitely know the struggles (from 2nd hand experience) with weightloss and while I am no expert in the subject I firmly believe that people get stuck doing the same thing continually with no honest assessment of what they are doing; I am not suggesting this is your case. What I do know is that the body is an amazing vessel and will always adapt to whatever you throw at it, as it is inherent that it adapts for survival.

When I stall with gaining mass, I like to do things like a mini deload or change my routine with training. I will also play with my food intake until I see the desired effect. As I get older, I am much more aware oh how my body responds (digestion and otherwise) to certain types of food. I firmly believe that certain people (based upon genetic differences) will digest and absorb different types of foods in different types of ways. Eating for body type has some truth to it, but it requires change and experimentation.

One simple thing I will suggest to you is change some small stuff. If you ride you bike to work on a particular route, change the route! If you have the same thing for lunch ever day, change the food type. If you like to do 25 minutes of cardio after you workout, pick one day during the week and push yourself harder than you have ever pushed before and do 40 minutes. If you don't exercise upon getting out of bed in the morning, change that and do 25 pushups and 100 jumping jacks atleast 5 mornings a week. Try some simple stuff and watch for changes. Honestly, some of my best muscle growth has come from picking up a 20lb dumbell and doing 10 minute high-intensity 'pump' sessions (arm/chest/shoulde) everyday before getting ready for bed. The shock to the body forces it to change. When it adapts, I change the simple stuff again.
 
No that was a good post Toren. People respond differently to everything. I have only a little experience in supplements, and one prior aas cycle. Again everyone responds differently, and I wanted to post an honest account of my reaction to it. I have tried to be open minded and take into consideration all variables before saying negatives. For example if I stayed up late and had to be up early for work, I didn't comment on the sleep because obviously it was my own dam* fault. Some things I could not account for such as the back pumps and the bacne.
I have eaten more and better since I started. The workouts haven't changed much other then a decrease in cardio because of back pain. Those two things are glorious for weight gain which explains my 7-8 pounds. I will say that they are not belly weight. My thighs are tighter in my jeans (good thing), and my chest/shoulders seem fuller.
 
I like to think I know how to cut....in June I was 265 pounds , was wearing a 42 pants. Now, 6 months later I am down to 36 waist , and weigh 230 pounds and obviously have much more muscle and all my lifts are up,much higher than they were in June. However I have been stuck around the 230 235 mark. So now my goal was less calories but more protein , more cardio and now increasing my weight lifting frequency to 6 days a week

It does sound like a solid plan but don't be afraid to tweak it as you continue on. Keep in mind to that when cutting weight, the closer you get to your body's 'comfortable zone', the harder it will be to force change. Having said that, the longer you can maintain positive results outside of that comfort zone, the more likely you will be to see th results stick around. We have to decide (whether lossing weight or gaining muscle) whether or not we want quick results or lasting results.

As far as people on the other end of the spectrum, they have a similar problem and when they get to a point in muscle building that is beyond the natural comfort zone of their body, the gains are harder to come by. The longer they can maintain those positive gains beyond that comfort zone, the more likely they will be to see those gains stick around. It's the difference between the 19 year old kid doing a 4 weel Dbol cycle vs. the old veteran training consistently for many years building quality muscle. At some point in time, the gains become more about quality than quantity. You can always spot the inexperienced users on a forum as they will always judge success and failures of cycles based solely upon the scale.
 
No that was a good post Toren. People respond differently to everything. I have only a little experience in supplements, and one prior aas cycle. Again everyone responds differently, and I wanted to post an honest account of my reaction to it. I have tried to be open minded and take into consideration all variables before saying negatives. For example if I stayed up late and had to be up early for work, I didn't comment on the sleep because obviously it was my own dam* fault. Some things I could not account for such as the back pumps and the bacne.
I have eaten more and better since I started. The workouts haven't changed much other then a decrease in cardio because of back pain. Those two things are glorious for weight gain which explains my 7-8 pounds. I will say that they are not belly weight. My thighs are tighter in my jeans (good thing), and my chest/shoulders seem fuller.

All experiences are positive when shared with others. It just depends on how we interpret them. I guarantee you as you go forward, your 'cycles' will become more efficient. I learn something new with every time I cycle and try something beyond what is my normal comfort zone.
 
Fantastic info What about running it with OL lj100as a test boast ? Ihave elimate super pct and strength

Save the LJ100 for PCT or even post-PCT. Real Testosterone, Dermacrine, 4-Andro, Epi-Andro and Trest will be your Test base options. I would not advise Trest for the inexperienced. Dermacrine is mild and would be a first choice as far as I am concerned.

Cycle: Ostarine/Dermacrine/Eliminate

PCT: Clomid or Nolva/Sup3r PCT/Str3ngth
 
I am lucky in that I never have to struggle to lose weight. I have been unlucky in the past because it has always been difficult for me to gain and maintain mass. It has become easier now with repitition (muscle memory) and a slightly slower metabolism due to age.

I definitely know the struggles (from 2nd hand experience) with weightloss and while I am no expert in the subject I firmly believe that people get stuck doing the same thing continually with no honest assessment of what they are doing; I am not suggesting this is your case. What I do know is that the body is an amazing vessel and will always adapt to whatever you throw at it, as it is inherent that it adapts for survival.

When I stall with gaining mass, I like to do things like a mini deload or change my routine with training. I will also play with my food intake until I see the desired effect. As I get older, I am much more aware oh how my body responds (digestion and otherwise) to certain types of food. I firmly believe that certain people (based upon genetic differences) will digest and absorb different types of foods in different types of ways. Eating for body type has some truth to it, but it requires change and experimentation.

One simple thing I will suggest to you is change some small stuff. If you ride you bike to work on a particular route, change the route! If you have the same thing for lunch ever day, change the food type. If you like to do 25 minutes of cardio after you workout, pick one day during the week and push yourself harder than you have ever pushed before and do 40 minutes. If you don't exercise upon getting out of bed in the morning, change that and do 25 pushups and 100 jumping jacks atleast 5 mornings a week. Try some simple stuff and watch for changes. Honestly, some of my best muscle growth has come from picking up a 20lb dumbell and doing 10 minute high-intensity 'pump' sessions (arm/chest/shoulde) everyday before getting ready for bed. The shock to the body forces it to change. When it adapts, I change the simple stuff again.

I have quite the opposite opposite I can gain and hold into mass so easy..almost too easy. With or without anabolic . however this always comes at the cost of also gaining quite the large ammount of body fat with it a good example would be me saying I never had that vascular or 6 pack look. There was a point I was quite skinny back in my late teens early 20s but I was also skinny in the sense that I had no muscle it seems like once I hit 27 years old that gift when away and now while I can put on some serious mass the body fat gets out of control.

However my training is much smarter now,and I've made,some serious serious adjustments to my diet so I feel I am up to,the challenge to continue losing fat while keeping or even gaining muscle


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I have quite the opposite opposite I can gain and hold into mass so easy..almost too easy. With or without anabolic . however this always comes at the cost of also gaining quite the large ammount of body fat with it a good example would be me saying I never had that vascular or 6 pack look. There was a point I was quite skinny back in my late teens early 20s but I was also skinny in the sense that I had no muscle it seems like once I hit 27 years old that gift when away and now while I can put on some serious mass the body fat gets out of control.

However my training is much smarter now,and I've made,some serious serious adjustments to my diet so I feel I am up to,the challenge to continue losing fat while keeping or even gaining muscle


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Keep at it bro. You have come a long way and will get to where you want to be if you continue adapting throughout the process. Just remember that muscle weighs more than fat so as you gain more muscle, the scale might not change as drastically, despite the fact you are losing body fat as well.
 
How long do you think it takes for Osts to "kick in," like how certain PH or DS kick in really quick like superdrol clone while something like Tren or epistane takes a bit longer to get going
 
How long do you think it takes for Osts to "kick in," like how certain PH or DS kick in really quick like superdrol clone while something like Tren or epistane takes a bit longer to get going

In my experience, I notice subtle changes such as increased vascularity and fulness by the 2nd week. The party really gets going by the middle to end of the 3rd week. Best results (visually speaking) are seen in the 4-6 week period.
 
1 more question because I saw you mention now you bridged into a DS\ph cycle. Now as we know SARMS have been shown to shut you down as well, my original plan was only 4 weeks on osta into Tren/Epi however, I'm not touching any DS until I hit my goal of weight or body fat % so it actually might be a bit longer o have enough osta for 8 fill week's and enough PH\Ds for 8 weeks. Is 16 weeks going to be way to long? I mean once you are shut down your shut down right. Your not gonna get MORE shutdown right? I did a 10week PH cycle, on my first cycle ever , used Clomid and nolva and bsl Apex Male in PCT and I recovered well
 
Is 16 weeks going to be way to long? I mean once you are shut down your shut down right. Your not gonna get MORE shutdown right? I did a 10week PH cycle, on my first cycle ever , used Clomid and nolva and bsl Apex Male in PCT and I recovered well

Longer runs will hinder your chances at natural levels recovery, possibly irreversible damage.
I don't think you'll find anyone on here who would recommend a 4 month cycle of any SARM or PH
 
1 more question because I saw you mention now you bridged into a DS\ph cycle. Now as we know SARMS have been shown to shut you down as well, my original plan was only 4 weeks on osta into Tren/Epi however, I'm not touching any DS until I hit my goal of weight or body fat % so it actually might be a bit longer o have enough osta for 8 fill week's and enough PH\Ds for 8 weeks. Is 16 weeks going to be way to long? I mean once you are shut down your shut down right. Your not gonna get MORE shutdown right? I did a 10week PH cycle, on my first cycle ever , used Clomid and nolva and bsl Apex Male in PCT and I recovered well

It's definitely one of those grey areas. You could be fine and you may not end up being fine. Personally for me, beyond even discussing the HPTA recovery issue, I think 16 weeks is a bit much for a cycle because your body takes quite a pounding when training hard and it can be somewhat counter-productive without a deload in there somewhere. I see lots of guys coming off of long cycles and a common theme is 'they can't wait for PCT' as the body just needs a break. For me, my bridged SARM/DS-PH runs don't exceed 12-13 weeks. My next cycle after this current one will be a shorter 6-8 week cycle after back to back 12-13 week cycles.
 
I like the where this thread is going. Real useful information. I know people who do long cycles I don't think it's a good idea. On cycle you should be pushing hard and your body needs time to rest, and get back to its normal operation.
In fact I'm not going to the gym today. My body (shoulders mainly) needs a rest. Maybe legs tomorrow, maybe cardio, maybe just go and get a much needed massage.
 
Yeah but. SARM cycle and PH DS cycle are 2 very different things . Im not a chemist or anything but aren't SARMS more of a growth hormone stimulator where as steroids and PH are very chemically similar in structure to testorone and other male sex horomomes? I mean I know nothing about SARMS this is my first go around with them
 
Even better of a question is even if I did run the SARM 2 months and wanted a few weeks or months to normalize before running my DS. Would I even need to take prescription PCT meds like nolva or would i be able to stop the sarm cycle do nothing at all for 6 weeks except maybe a themro if its still needed then go into the DS cycle. And then obviously do PCT after that
 
Yeah but. SARM cycle and PH DS cycle are 2 very different things . Im not a chemist or anything but aren't SARMS more of a growth hormone stimulator where as steroids and PH are very chemically similar in structure to testorone and other male sex horomomes? I mean I know nothing about SARMS this is my first go around with them

No, you are off in your information. Invalid Link Removed were developed to treat muscle and bone wasting/loss issues or for cancer patients or people with advanced age; This is a very simplified answer but you get the point. They are meant to mimic the actions of steroids (anabolism) without some of the androgenic side-effects such as prostate enlargement. Do a browser search on SARM's and you can read a lot about them there.

Even better of a question is even if I did run the SARM 2 months and wanted a few weeks or months to normalize before running my DS. Would I even need to take prescription PCT meds like nolva or would i be able to stop the sarm cycle do nothing at all for 6 weeks except maybe a themro if its still needed then go into the DS cycle. And then obviously do PCT after that

I would advise you to use a proper SERM for your SARM PCT, in that scenario; As well as the appropriate amount of off time between cycles. As far as recovery without it (SERM), you may and you not. If you do recover though, it will be A LOT slower than if you had used the SERM. There's nothing worse than coming off of a long cut and having low Testosterone on top of an impaired metabolism. You are just asking for rebound weight/fat gain at this point.

Keep it simple and use this cycle as a learning experience. Your next one will be that much better. Do it right though or you may end up back at square one and that would be such a waste.
 
Oh well back to creatine and BCAAS for me then
 

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I should have had a few days off but I did legs today. My shoulder is effed and its brought my moral way down.

Tug I took yesterday off because it was my day off in my 4 day on 1 day off split and then disnt to today because it was the big holiday party at work and i prolly took in 4000+ calories and was so tired I went to sleep after work been forcing myself to get 8 hours of sleep on these rest days going back harder than ever tomorrow though
 
So very confused . I bought Ostarine for a cut cycle thought about 6 weeks at 15 mg.After reading so many bad reviews , not sure it's worth taking Has anyone had a positive experience?

I ran ol osta at 5-20mg a day for 8 weeks. Had a great experience. No sides. Lost weight and strength went up a touch.
 
I know Armistane is an over the counter AI to stop estrogen however why would it be put in this product that does not aromatize. Is there some benefit on its own,?

Some people claim high estrogen sides. It also helps shed water weight to appear leaner. Low e2 can cause some sides to tho.
 
No, you are off in your information. Invalid Link Removed were developed to treat muscle and bone wasting/loss issues or for cancer patients or people with advanced age; This is a very simplified answer but you get the point. They are meant to mimic the actions of steroids (anabolism) without some of the androgenic side-effects such as prostate enlargement. Do a browser search on SARM's and you can read a lot about them .

Makes sense! I had a broken femur and hip fracture due to low t and osteopenia( low bone density)I have suffered from pain and would limp pretty bad at work. I started taking 14mg of osta and all pain went away and was actually able to run for the fist time in a long time!
 
I'm going to drop down to 12.5mg a day from the 25 in an attempt to maybe lessen the back pumps+soreness. Any and all input is welcome. I've had very low energy lately
 
I'm going to drop down to 12.5mg a day from the 25 in an attempt to maybe lessen the back pumps+soreness. Any and all input is welcome. I've had very low energy lately

Buy from a better company next time. Sounds like you might have not gotten osta
 
The pills I have are 12.5 osta and 25mg arministane per pill. I usually take 2 right after breakfast (which I eat at my desk at work) but I couslnt for the life of me remember. Like I said though I'm still alive #yolo
 
Experienced guys, I've been on the osta 25mg a day just over a month. Honest opinions of going right into a test sus/ deca cycle. Not a real long one.
 
I will also admit the osta is a bit rough. I've been getting tired in the middle of the day but I've been powering right through it. Id go as far as to say the osta is harder on my body than tren/msten/clen was. In also taking 50mg a day of ephedra. It sucks but I force myself to power through my workouts and I have been sleeping a lot more at night which we all know helps muscle recovery
 
Thank you guys for following. The ostarine was not for me. I did put on a few lbs over the last month, maybe it helped. The things I did notice were negative. My friendly local chemistry professional brought over my sust 300 and deca. I will be making another log next week at some point when I start. Im taking the week to come up with a proper game plan and to rest/ pt my shoulder. Then I will blow up like a tick.
 
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