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This is an interesting video, but you have to go further back.... ISIS would not exist if Bush didn't invade and collapse Iraq, forming a power vaccum in the region. Why would you blame this on Obama. This is even stated in the video. Did you pay attention while watching?
 
Gutterpump said:
This is an interesting video, but you have to go further back.... ISIS would not exist if Bush didn't invade and collapse Iraq, forming a power vaccum in the region. Why would you blame this on Obama. This is even stated in the video. Did you pay attention while watching?
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Obama failed policies of interventionism thats why. He has spent billions of dollars of our tax dollars arming all these groups...and where are they? Where are all the weapons and arms he have them? Based off 2014 #'s alone, 600 tons of weapons were sent over there. Why do you think ISIS is using our weapons and running around in UN vehicles?

Obama is even openly arming Al-Queda....but the "moderate" ones, lol what a crock! The very group we went to war for fighting over a decade that was sold to us as the most evil destructive group in civilization is now being armed by Obama!!!!!

Anyways have a goodnight Gutterpump, I think you have a good heart though dont take this stuff too personal, but Im always open for heavy debate!
 
ax1 said:
Obama failed policies of interventionism thats why. He has spent billions of dollars of our tax dollars arming all these groups...and where are they? Where are all the weapons and arms he have them? Based off 2014 #'s alone, 600 tons of weapons were sent over there. Why do you think ISIS is using our weapons and running around in UN vehicles?

Obama is even openly arming Al-Queda....but the "moderate" ones, lol what a crock! The very group we went to war for fighting over a decade that was sold to us as the most evil destructive group in civilization is now being armed by Obama!!!!!

Anyways have a goodnight Gutterpump, I think you have a good heart though dont take this stuff too personal, but Im always open for heavy debate!
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The US government in general has had a huge role, over history, in arming rebel groups (ie: Hamas - who was responsible for them coming to power?).
I wouldn't pin this to one politician or another, they're all to blame.

Have a good one man!
 
Gutterpump said:
This is an interesting video, but you have to go further back.... ISIS would not exist if Bush didn't invade and collapse Iraq, forming a power vaccum in the region. Why would you blame this on Obama. This is even stated in the video. Did you pay attention while watching?
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I don't, you obviously didn't watch all of it because it stated it all started with Regan; I never blamed Obama. He is just using Regan's tactics because the CIA director during that time is helping him out. Then it goes on say how this is all just systematical.
 
CJNator said:
I don't, you obviously didn't watch all of it because it stated it all started with Regan; I never blamed Obama. He is just using Regan's tactics because the CIA director during that time is helping him out. Then it goes on say how this is all just systematical.
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Was speaking to ax1 about the Obama comment, sorry bout that. Thanks for the link though, good video
 
Gutterpump said:
This is an interesting video, but you have to go further back.... ISIS would not exist if Bush didn't invade and collapse Iraq, forming a power vaccum in the region. Why would you blame this on Obama. This is even stated in the video. Did you pay attention while watching?
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This is it right here. As sad as it is to say, Sadam Hussein was the buffer between us and radicals. Assad is the same. These dictators, although they crush human rights, kept this ideological madness to a minimum.
 
Back to the original topic though, I don't think anyone watched the video I posted about how Trump supported the idea of internment camps during WWII. Do Trump supporters in here really think this is cool? Honestly?

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Guys I've been lying this whole time about my identity. I am Donald trump and I hope I can get your vote for this upcoming election. I plan on legalizing steroid use
 
Gutterpump said:
The US government in general has had a huge role, over history, in arming rebel groups (ie: Hamas - who was responsible for them coming to power?).
I wouldn't pin this to one politician or another, they're all to blame.

Have a good one man!
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Yeah, I agree 100% actually. I bring this stuff out all the time. I pick on Obama because he is the current executive in chief and I feel its important to prosecute him for all his crimes along with ALL his administration to set a precedent to not let history repeat itself in the near/distant future. Personally I think Obama is just a puppet and has no power, but he is the "Baghdad Bob" of the US so Im after him (non-violently that is, lol I just want proper due process.)

And I am also supportive of going to all the previous administrations as well, but the current I feel is most important.

I believe Israel created Hamas to give opposition to its enemies and divide that Palestine people. Dunno how much influence the US had in that.
 
Dma378 said:
This is it right here. As sad as it is to say, Sadam Hussein was the buffer between us and radicals. Assad is the same. These dictators, although they crush human rights, kept this ideological madness to a minimum.
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Keep in mind the history of regime changes through the middle east involving both Britian, the US and United Nations. Saddam Hussein was installed by the CIA.

Personally I never supported the invasion of Iraq and it turned out far worse than I imagined. Its chaos all these years later and very sad.
 
BlockBuilder said:
Guys I've been lying this whole time about my identity. I am Donald trump and I hope I can get your vote for this upcoming election. I plan on legalizing steroid use
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Racist!

And if you want to legalize steroid use, you just hate children.
 
Gutterpump said:
Anyone who supports Trump may as well be part of the KKK. Actually, it's fairly clear, just looking online, on any social media platform, that the majority of people who support Trump are racists and bigots.
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Thats quite bigoted of you to say. Is that what you call tolerance?
 
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If radical muslims hate us because of Bush, then why have they been attacking US interests decades before the Iraq war started?

The group Islamic Jihad, affiliated with Hezbollah and ultimately Iran, claimed responsibility for both attacks."
 
youngandfree said:
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If radical muslims hate us because of Bush, then why have they been attacking US interests decades before the Iraq war started?

The group Islamic Jihad, affiliated with Hezbollah and ultimately Iran, claimed responsibility for both attacks."
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US, British and UN meddling with interests in the Middle East has been going on a bunch of decades before Bush. British have been meddling for a very very long time, so in general I think its a hatred of the West as a whole.
 
youngandfree said:
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Thats relevant only assuming the US has no involvement with 9/11. Also, 3,110 pales in comparison to US policy of interventionism and regime change in the middle east. Millions has died due to these policies. Obama alone far surpassed that this year alone with his Drones of Compassion and Surgical Love Bombs.

Islamic terror groups greatest recruiter is the West. Its easy to be radicalized when your homeland has been bombarded and all hope is lost. If ISIS knocks on your door after your village was bombed and lost friends and family by Obama's love bombs that were shot with his compassionate drones your going to listen. Alot of these people were kids that grew up in a time of war, the West primarily being the leading cause of destruction. There is no love.

The rest of that list involves domestic incidents. There are crazy people everywhere here and people get killed over stupid things all the time from all religions including atheists.

Also, its an interesting comparison of sole Islamic attacks vs. the US's false flag attacks from Oklahoma City, to 9/11 and various other terror attacks staged by the non-muslim US government including assassinations of our elected officials, military, journalists and so on. Muslims are usually caught up being patsy's most of the time just as it now appears to be in San-Bernardino Cali. Also, lets keep in mind this radical groups for the most part have been put to power through the West's proxy wars with the creation of Al-queda to now ISIS.
 
youngandfree said:
Thats quite bigoted of you to say. Is that what you call tolerance?
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I have no tolerance for racists, profilers, people who support internment camps, religious registries, people who persecute other's religions or personal freedoms. I have no tolerance for fascists, no.

I also have no tolerance for those on the extreme left or right as well. I have no tolerance for any extremists, beit Muslim extremists or our own homegrown Christian extremists. I likely have no tolerance for you as well. No biggy though. I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
ax1 said:
Yeah, I agree 100% actually. I bring this stuff out all the time. I pick on Obama because he is the current executive in chief and I feel its important to prosecute him for all his crimes along with ALL his administration to set a precedent to not let history repeat itself in the near/distant future. Personally I think Obama is just a puppet and has no power, but he is the "Baghdad Bob" of the US so Im after him (non-violently that is, lol I just want proper due process.)

And I am also supportive of going to all the previous administrations as well, but the current I feel is most important.

I believe Israel created Hamas to give opposition to its enemies and divide that Palestine people. Dunno how much influence the US had in that.
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I had thought that the US helped Israel with an election in the region, which brought Hamas to power in Gaza - so essentially they enabled it. I could be wrong, it was a fresh college grad (cute girl) who told me this one lol
 
Gutterpump said:
I had thought that the US helped Israel with an election in the region, which brought Hamas to power in Gaza - so essentially they enabled it. I could be wrong, it was a fresh college grad (cute girl) who told me this one lol
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You might be right, not surprising. There is a lot of influence and money going both directions between those two countries.
 
Gutterpump said:
I have no tolerance for racists, profilers, people who support internment camps, religious registries, people who persecute other's religions or personal freedoms. I have no tolerance for fascists, no.

I also have no tolerance for those on the extreme left or right as well. I have no tolerance for any extremists, beit Muslim extremists or our own homegrown Christian extremists. I likely have no tolerance for you as well. No biggy though. I'm sure you'll be fine.
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So do you think Jimmy Carter is also a KKK racist Nazi for banning all Iranians citizens entry into the USA during the Iranian Hostage crisis?

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ax1 said:
So do you think Jimmy Carter is also a KKK racist Nazi for banning all Iranians citizens entry into the USA during the Iranian Hostage crisis?

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Jimmy the Nazi KKKarter also ordered 50,000 Iranians to be harassed from the states.

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Political Correctness has corroded common sense. I'll be the first Lib to say I'm okay with profiling. You get what you ask for. Maybe Muslims should be holding their own accountable for the treatment they're getting. Yes, it is the nature to punish the whole as a result of the actions of a few. Whether it be guns, drugs, kids, employees, tourists, drivers, religions, sects, felons, the list goes on and on.
And why are people so in love with the Constitution? Yeah, yeah, it gives us "somewhat" of a free society. But we act like we're the only ones. Without it we'd be in shackles to the government. And why can't it be modified? To fit today's society. Hell people modify the bible to their liking, and that supposedly gives you eternal salvation. But NOOOO, don't do that with the constitution.
 
I was just born when Carter was in power, so I can't comment on him. He was not a fascist though, nor comparable to Trump whatsoever.

I believe Trump is simply playing the bad guy, in order to take attention away from Sanders. Meanwhile he'll likely clear the path for Clinton to win, and will get 5+ years of shady business deals out of it somehow.
 
Dma378 said:
Political Correctness has corroded common sense. I'll be the first Lib to say I'm okay with profiling. You get what you ask for. Maybe Muslims should be holding their own accountable for the treatment they're getting. Yes, it is the nature to punish the whole as a result of the actions of a few. Whether it be guns, drugs, kids, employees, tourists, drivers, religions, sects, felons, the list goes on and on.
And why are people so in love with the Constitution? Yeah, yeah, it gives us "somewhat" of a free society. But we act like we're the only ones. Without it we'd be in shackles to the government. And why can't it be modified? To fit today's society. Hell people modify the bible to their liking, and that supposedly gives you eternal salvation. But NOOOO, don't do that with the constitution.
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If you think all people should be profiled and guilty until proven innocent, your going to get alot of suppression here, thats not good.

Why not just support the 2nd Amendment for self defense and have a good police force along with a strong FBI (personally I want to dissolve the FBI since they have already been compromised and start a new department, and former FBI workers are all welcome to apply) and just have old fashioned police work. If someone is a suspect police can go to a judge a request a search warrant. There is no need to profile race or religion. Criminals are a case by case basis, if not everyone is a suspect, we will live in the Wiemar Republic.

Having government run as "thought police" is scary.

You need layers in place to protect both government and the people from corruption and unjust actions.

What part of the bill of rights do you want to modify?

It cant be modified because the USA is a Republic, not a democracy. If 51% vote to take my rights away they are not allowed to. I like it that way.

This government wipes its ass with the Constitution, so its one thing to have a Constitution, its another for government to implement their oath to it. This is why its important to follow with criminal proceedings when government chooses to break their oaths so we minimize corruption and tyrannical government.
 
Gutterpump said:
I was just born when Carter was in power, so I can't comment on him. He was not a fascist though, nor comparable to Trump whatsoever.

I believe Trump is simply playing the bad guy, in order to take attention away from Sanders. Meanwhile he'll likely clear the path for Clinton to win, and will get 5+ years of shady business deals out of it somehow.
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Dont you agree Obama is a fascist though? I can start posting all the lobby he has receive and corporate/banking financing of his campaign but I dont have all day, lol.

What makes him worse is back in 08 when I voted for him he promised over and over again he will never take a single dollar from lobby. Damn that changed quick.

Im just bringing this up because I assume you support him, but please correct me if Im wrong.
 
ax1 said:
If you think all people should be profiled and guilty until proven innocent, your going to get alot of suppression here, thats not good.

Why not just support the 2nd Amendment for self defense and have a good police force along with a strong FBI (personally I want to dissolve the FBI since they have already been compromised and start a new department, and former FBI workers are all welcome to apply) and just have old fashioned police work. If someone is a suspect police can go to a judge a request a search warrant. There is no need to profile race or religion. Criminals are a case by case basis, if not everyone is a suspect, we will live in the Wiemar Republic.

Having government run as "thought police" is scary.

You need layers in place to protect both government and the people from corruption and unjust actions.

What part of the bill of rights do you want to modify?

It cant be modified because the USA is a Republic, not a democracy. If 51% vote to take my rights away they are not allowed to. I like it that way.

This government wipes its ass with the Constitution, so its one thing to have a Constitution, its another for government to implement their oath to it. This is why its important to follow with criminal proceedings when government chooses to break their oaths so we minimize corruption and tyrannical government.
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There just has to be some middle ground where common sense precedes political correctness.

But as you stated it requires a good police force. And we don't have that. Again, we have some, but the bad give the whole a bad reputation.
 
Dma378 said:
Yeah, yeah, it gives us "somewhat" of a free society.
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Just want to emphasize this....its only "somewhat" because the Constitution has long been destroyed.

Thats why I support restoration and people like Trump arent getting my vote.
 
Dma378 said:
There just has to be some middle ground where common sense precedes political correctness.

But as you stated it requires a good police force. And we don't have that. Again, we have some, but the bad give the whole a bad reputation.
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I think we have an excellent well trained and powerful police force in the USA. I feel many are misused and turned into revenue collectors and arrest people on crimes that are unconstitutional, but I blame the policy makers for that.

Great policing starts in your own home and your carry on btw. Police usually show up after the crime is in its fruition.
 
Dma378 said:
We'd be naive to think this wasn't happening on some level here as well.

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France appears to be one of the worst police state ses pools on the planet right now. Im sure they are winning over their muslim communities now.
 
ax1 said:
Dont you agree Obama is a fascist though? I can start posting all the lobby he has receive and corporate/banking financing of his campaign but I dont have all day, lol.

What makes him worse is back in 08 when I voted for him he promised over and over again he will never take a single dollar from lobby. Damn that changed quick.

Im just bringing this up because I assume you support him, but please correct me if Im wrong.
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I'm confused. You're saying corporate backing = fascism. That's not the definition of fascism. All politicians have corporate backing.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism and exists on the far right of the left-right political spectrum. I'm sure you know this.
 
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Ahh......

What happened to those commies anyways? I thought they were the biggest danger to our freedom next to the planet self imploding. They were probably more hardcore than ISIS back then and spread through more parts of the globe. Then Mao in '72 who at that point had already slaughtered more people than Hitler and Stalin combined is our buddy, lol.
 
Gutterpump said:
I'm confused. You're saying corporate backing = fascism. That's not the definition of fascism. All politicians have corporate backing.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism and exists on the far right of the left-right political spectrum. I'm sure you know this.
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when corporate backing is used to push a certain detrimental agenda, that's when the politicians become puppets. Which in turn leads to fascism.
That's not the definition of Fascism though.
 
Gutterpump said:
I'm confused. You're saying corporate backing = fascism. That's not the definition of fascism. All politicians have corporate backing.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism and exists on the far right of the left-right political spectrum. I'm sure you know this.
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Yes, in fascism you have radical nationalism (dont tell me Obama doesnt convey that,) they control means of production, use politically motivated violence against their people along with class conflic (these new race wars, IRS, war on drugs, thought police, build up of concentration camps which Obama has implemented, ect....)

Also they may implement a military citizenship which in Obama's executive order "National Defense Preparedness" turns every citizen in America into military labor when National Security is called out.

The Italian version of Fascism incorporated corporatism which is what I was thinking of. The lobby influences policy as the politicians policy favors their financiers and not the people. For example, Obamacare, Monsanto, all the wars, etc...... it all turns into a Corporate Economy. If you say all politicians have corporate backing then they are all fascist.

We can get into this all day, lol
 
ax1 said:
France appears to be one of the worst police state ses pools on the planet right now. Im sure they are winning over their muslim communities now.
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Ax, you're confusing me. You're all over the map. Let me guess, you're a sovereign citizen??
 
baxtecal said:
when corporate backing is used to push a certain detrimental agenda, that's when the politicians become puppets. Which in turn leads to fascism.
That's not the definition of Fascism though.
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Linking Obama to "corporatism" is probably an easier thing to link.
 
Dma378 said:
Ax, you're confusing me. You're all over the map. Let me guess, you're a sovereign citizen??
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Im a M.I.B.

I cannot tell you where my home planet is located, but for now they beamed my base down to NY :)
 
ax1 said:
Ahh......

What happened to those commies anyways? I thought they were the biggest danger to our freedom next to the planet self imploding. They were probably more hardcore than ISIS back then and spread through more parts of the globe. Then Mao in '72 who at that point had already slaughtered more people than Hitler and Stalin combined is our buddy, lol.
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Constitution is just a piece of paper, if anything it allows government to control us even though I never signed it. Without government we would have ultimate freedom, that statement seems like we would live in a Utopia but a society ran strictly a capitalistic free market IMO would be better then how it is now. The nationalism/collectivism I'm worried about is how everyone will defend the state no matter how big it gets. I believe Trump is just in the GOP to make them look bad for Hillery or Sanders, I can't wait for the next idiotic statement to come out his mouth :D. My statement is all over the place lol.
 
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