Natty cut/non-hormonal

zman86

zman86

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Hey everyone I'm finishing up my PCT this week from 14 weeks worth of SARMs(8 wks LGD, RAD140) and PH (6 wks Triumph/Trest). I will be spending the next 3.5 months on a cut and contest prep for my next show in late March. I need suggestions on a good list of non-hormonal products to use, goal is to maintain as much lean muscle mass while on a deficit.

Here are a few things I'm thinking of running on top of my usual stuff (EC stack, CLA, and lots of creatine), not sure whats the most optimal combo:

Epicat (OL Epic), question is will myostatin level be even elevated on a caloric deficit? Will I be wasting money on this?
5a-hydroxy Laxoginen (OL Strength)
Mk-677(OL Gharine)
Anti-cortisols?
Natty AIs?
 
Yohimbe is a good thing to use as well as a fat burner, some may disagree but daa really helps with my aggression, strength, and energy. Tribulus might be good too to keep energy and aggression up because cutting can make you tired. Another natural t booster and you should be good. Of course diet is the number 1 but i find yohimbe (stubborn fat) and anything that keeps my energy and aggression will keep my cut going good
 
Also preworkouts are really good as im sure you know, the caffeine helps as a thermogenic/energy and lots of them actually have yohimbe plus other things for fat loss like l-carnitine etc. so check the labels
 
I have no problems losing the fat, main concerns is keeping my cycle gains lol. I'll look into yohimbine and its muscle maintenance characteristics
 
zman86 said:
I have no problems losing the fat, main concerns is keeping my cycle gains lol. I'll look into yohimbine and its muscle maintenance characteristics
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Ok lol its just good for those tough areas that tend to come off last, helps speed that up, not to sure about its muscle sparing unfortunately but a good test booster will cover that, universal nutrition natural sterol complex is actually a pretty good product that i think gets overlooked/never brought up haha ive used it and its helped with muscle density and strength/ t boost its pretty cheap look it up its been around for decades
 
Exotherm + Incinderine is an amazing combo for shredding up. Check out pfresh's unsponsored log for the awesome run he's having. mixedup was going to use it in the final weeks of his contest prep as well. Haven't heard from him in months though.
 
Jebrook said:
Exotherm + Incinderine is an amazing combo for shredding up. Check out pfresh's unsponsored log for the awesome run he's having. mixedup was going to use it in the final weeks of his contest prep as well. Haven't heard from him in months though.
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I will look into both but right now I'm far from being that lean to worry about stubborn fats lol. Right now I'm sitting at around 13-14% maybe, I can usually manage to drop down to 10% easily without sacrificing too much strength and muscles. Things gets tricky and hard at sub 10% tho... natty wise.

I'm also thinking about staying on Rebirth and 100mg of Laxogen indefinitely, maybe just maybe they can keep my LH/FSH/free test at a optimal natty level. There has to be some kind of non-hormonal substance that can raise my system at slight supra-physiological level. I might even consider running low dose of Torem, since its one of the least toxic SERMs. Thoughts?
 
zman86 said:
I will look into both but right now I'm far from being that lean to worry about stubborn fats lol. Right now I'm sitting at around 13-14% maybe, I can usually manage to drop down to 10% easily without sacrificing too much strength and muscles. Things gets tricky and hard at sub 10% tho... natty wise.

I'm also thinking about staying on Rebirth and 100mg of Laxogen indefinitely, maybe just maybe they can keep my LH/FSH/free test at a optimal natty level. There has to be some kind of non-hormonal substance that can raise my system at slight supra-physiological level. I might even consider running low dose of Torem, since its one of the least toxic SERMs. Thoughts?
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Ever tried looking into anafuse? Has epicatachin and 5a hydroxy laxogenin
 
Have a look at hmb. It's very anti catabolic and should help out in keeping the gains. Take 3G/day and you're golden.
 
Might not stick to natty route anymore gonna cut my recovery time off short and jump on Ostarine.
 
dustter said:
Ever tried looking into anafuse? Has epicatachin and 5a hydroxy laxogenin
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Anafuse would be a nice addition but natty is out now lol. Best of luck in your prep.
 
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