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Ep15stane or Halo 100?

gator67

gator67

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Hey guys, starting to plan an early 2016 cycle(my first DS) and would like some feedback from you veterans out there. I am going to do a recomp on a slight surplus using carb back loading protocol and have either OL ep15stane or halo100 on hand. I'm leaning toward the Epistane. I will be running with Dermacrine, Arimacare pro, and taurine along with my staple mv /fish oil. For pct I have Clomid and super 3 with Exemestane which I will start week three and run four weeks. I am 48 years old, 210 lbs(15%bf) and have been training off and on for 25 years. Currently working on PHAT program and will continue through cycle and pct. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks
 
If your not prone to hair loss go epistane if you are go halo. I got better results on epistane but it made my hair she'd like crazy.
 
Epistane would probably be better overall, only thing I don't like about it is the chance of rebound gyno.
 
hide83 said:
If your not prone to hair loss go epistane if you are go halo. I got better results on epistane but it made my hair she'd like crazy.
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I'm 48 and have endured male pattern baldness since my 30s, so not a factor, lol. Thanks
 
NattyBoy said:
Epistane would probably be better overall, only thing I don't like about it is the chance of rebound gyno.
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That is a factor although I've heard the same can happen with halo. Hopefully with the Exemestane I'll have it covered.
 
Rebound can happen with any cycle or use of AI and then stopping. Just caught my first case of it coming off an AAS cycle.

Your set-up looks good though whichever you choose.
 
Dma378 said:
Rebound can happen with any cycle or use of AI and then stopping. Just caught my first case of it coming off an AAS cycle.

Your set-up looks good though whichever you choose.
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Thanks, so then I should taper down the Exemestane dosing to help ensure no rebound?
 
gator67 said:
Thanks, so then I should taper down the Exemestane dosing to help ensure no rebound?
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That's typical protocol. But not even a sure-fire prevention. I did it, and about 2-3 weeks after pct, started getting lumps out of nowhere!! Had to grab some letro ASAP and use with Clomid to knock the lumps out. Worked extremely well!!

So my point is, to yes taper down. But always be prepared for the possibility of rebound. Even if you do everything "by the book".
 
Dma378 said:
That's typical protocol. But not even a sure-fire prevention. I did it, and about 2-3 weeks after pct, started getting lumps out of nowhere!! Had to grab some letro ASAP and use with Clomid to knock the lumps out. Worked extremely well!!

So my point is, to yes taper down. But always be prepared for the possibility of rebound. Even if you do everything "by the book".
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Thanks bro, that's exactly why I asked for input. I will grab some letro as well to have on hand.
 
Go for ep15tane, and stack it with 50mg tr3st to avoid lethargy,and to spice things up a little. I think you'll be very satisfied. Of course halodrol is great too, but in high doses around 125-150 mg
 
oyvind said:
Go for ep15tane, and stack it with 50mg tr3st to avoid lethargy,and to spice things up a little. I think you'll be very satisfied. Of course halodrol is great too, but in high doses around 125-150 mg
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I thought about trest, but am unsure about stacking, being my first cycle and then having to worry about prolactin sides.
 
gator67 said:
I thought about trest, but am unsure about stacking, being my first cycle and then having to worry about prolactin sides.
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I would stack it with androvar or dermacrine (both epiandrosterone products) to prevent shutdown mid cycle. Epistane was my first cycle and I felt shutdown around week 3. If I were you, I'd run epistane for 6 weeks and start using your test base of choice around week 3, or from the start if you want. Epistane felt best for me at 30mg, 40mg didn't really do much more for me tbh.
 
namorbrowneye said:
Not trying to hijack but whats the recommended dosage for first cycle of epi?
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20/30/30/40 is what I ran, but I would run six weeks tbh. Maybe like 20/30/30/30/40/40 or something, it's up to you though. Some people feel best at 30, some feel better at 40. 30 was the sweet point for me.
 
NattyBoy said:
I would stack it with androvar or dermacrine (both epiandrosterone products) to prevent shutdown mid cycle. Epistane was my first cycle and I felt shutdown around week 3. If I were you, I'd run epistane for 6 weeks and start using your test base of choice around week 3, or from the start if you want. Epistane felt best for me at 30mg, 40mg didn't really do much more for me tbh.
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I do want to kind of if ease into it so I was planning on 30/30/30/45/45/45 with 4-5 pumps of Dermacrine all the way through.
 
gator67 said:
I thought about trest, but am unsure about stacking, being my first cycle and then having to worry about prolactin sides.
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OK, then just go for epistane man:-) my first two cycles was epistane only at 30/40/40/40/40/50, and I had no sides besides a little lethargy. You'll combat that with a good pwo :-) Try, and maybe you'll go for a stack the next time. Good luck anyway man. You'll love the epi pumps.
 
I would just run 30mg for 6 weeks straight. You can try taking dermatr3st at 1 pump throughout and take aromasin at 12.5mg every other day as well as inhibit-p/prolactrone 3 times a week before you sleep.


Because of your age, I feel like you should definitely want to use a base or you'll feel very lethargic. I start feeling lethargic and libido dropped around week 5 for me and I was eating 4.5k+ calories.
 
You could also stack Epi and halo but since this is your firs cycle, it's obviously not recommended.
Just a thought for your future cycle plans.
 
anab0lix said:
I would just run 30mg for 6 weeks straight. You can try taking dermatr3st at 1 pump throughout and take aromasin at 12.5mg every other day as well as inhibit-p/prolactrone 3 times a week before you sleep.


Because of your age, I feel like you should definitely want to use a base or you'll feel very lethargic. I start feeling lethargic and libido dropped around week 5 for me and I was eating 4.5k+ calories.
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Inhibit-P three times a week? You speak of this OCT product like it's caber or prami...

IMO if you're worried about prolactin sides, have some actual caber/prami on hand...
 
+1 on the Epistane votes. Looks like you're getting good advice in here. Layout looks solid. Happy gains Gator:)
 
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