How to combine Ostarine with several other supps?

Dalmore

Dalmore

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I'm interested in Ostarine and will begin a cycle soon, with products from Olympus Labs. Never tried AAS and doesn't feel like im ready yet, this is the best "stack" I could get my hands on (Dont want to try ArA due to the inflammation being a bit scary, and ABE wasn't available)


I am interested in the following products I have at home and would like to run as well:
Laxogenin
Epicatechin
17-dione (androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione)
"Test Freak"
containing (per serving):
2,1g
- Fenugreek
- Tribulus Terrestris
280mg
- Saw Palmetto extract
- Stinging Nettle extract
150mg
- Hesperidin
- Apigenin
- Resveratrol
PA
TMG (Trimethylglycine "Betaine")


ofc not necessarily everything at once.
I am still a newbie in this "cycle therapy" field, but would guess from the tiny amount of knowledge I possess that perhaps "Test Freak" could be used with the intentions of an PCT, and perhaps 17-dione alongside (Osta?) as OCT. Not sure yet how and where I would take epicatechine & laxogenin.

How would you stack these supps together?

Best regards,
Dalmore
 
Dalmore, Ostarine will shut you down just like AAS, PH, and DS products. The only difference between Ostarine and AAS/PH/DS is that Ostarine and SARMS are selective. I wouldn't stack any of those with a SARM. Not worth the extra expense.
 
T-Bone said:
Dalmore, Ostarine will shut you down just like AAS, PH, and DS products. The only difference between Ostarine and AAS/PH/DS is that Ostarine and SARMS are selective. I wouldn't stack any of those with a SARM. Not worth the extra expense.
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Good advice here.

Save them for Pct or a natty run down the road.
 
Thank you for your feedback. However, that Ostarine will shut you down is debatable. Some people call the side effects "mild" versions of the ones from AAS. Some people say they experience the side effects more than others, some say they dont even experience any at all. I have tried Ostarine for 6 weeks before and don't recall noticing any sides.

I get your point though; I can't possibly know if I will experience any side effects or not.

Some say you can get gyno and higher estrogen from Ostarine, which is why I was considering 17-dione (but some even say it is a good stand alone). I know a SARM is supposed to be "selective" but as with any pharmaceutical such as certain NSAIDs claiming to be selective; they are not 100% selective. Some have expressed a possible need for pct after Ostarine and that is why I even considered "Test Freak".

PA, TMG, Epicatechin and especially Laxogenin seemed very interesting as even standalones. So why not count them in? :)
 
Not debatable at all. Proven to shut you down at just 3mg. If you want to run it without a proper PCT go ahead. It's a drug and not a supplement. Same thing as AAS/PH/DS products, just a lot less effective. Yes also less side effects, but that's dose dependent. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's so different from taking ph/ds products. It's not. It'll shut you down, also it can cause side effects at that are dose dependent and it needs a proper SERM pct. I'm saying don't add those things in with your cycle because they are better saved for post cycle. You can listen to my advice or not, just trying to help you out. Maybe wait for more people to chime in if you want and see what they say.
 
T-Bone said:
Not debatable at all. Proven to shut you down at just 3mg. If you want to run it without a proper PCT go ahead. It's a drug and not a supplement. Same thing as AAS/PH/DS products, just a lot less effective. Yes also less side effects, but that's dose dependent. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's so different from taking ph/ds products. It's not. It'll shut you down, also it can cause side effects at that are dose dependent and it needs a proper SERM pct. I'm saying don't add those things in with your cycle because they are better saved for post cycle. You can listen to my advice or not, just trying to help you out. Maybe wait for more people to chime in if you want and see what they say.
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Yup, have you seen primevals pct that has osta in it? I lol'd
 
It's not debatable at all whether ostarine is suppressive or not... It is. And for that, you need a proper PCT. Yeah, it's "mild." So what?
Test freak isn't enough for PCT. You need a SERM, like clomid, and you can add Test Freak to that.
I've never heard of 17-dione so I can't really speak to that. Is that arimistane?
 
BamBam0319 said:
It's not debatable at all whether ostarine is suppressive or not... It is. And for that, you need a proper PCT. Yeah, it's "mild." So what?
Test freak isn't enough for PCT. You need a SERM, like clomid, and you can add Test Freak to that.
I've never heard of 17-dione so I can't really speak to that. Is that arimistane?
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Yep, it's armistane
 
T-Bone said:
Not debatable at all. Proven to shut you down at just 3mg.
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T-Bone said:
It'll shut you down.
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I always thought that you would notice if you got "shut down". Since I didn't feel any sides from Ostarine (6-8 week) last run, with no OCT or PCT, I assumed it was debatable (since I've also read others saying they didn't experience any side effects). Then I guess, if you are correct, some people will not notice being "shut down". I just didn't think that was possible.
T-Bone said:
I'm saying don't add those things in with your cycle because they are better saved for post cycle
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If we look at e.g. Epicatechin and PA, their "cycle" length is in some cases up to 12 weeks. If I can't combine any of these at all with Ostarine, that means I will have to take 12 weeks off before doing Ostarine again. (Which imo seems uneccessary long). I am yet again, a newbie.

BamBam0319 said:
Gotcha, that's what I thought.
Well in that case it's really not gonna do much for e2 issues...
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As you said in another thread "especially with no noticeable estro sides I wouldn't use more than you need to.". I have tried ostarine before 6-8 weeks. Didn't feel any side at all. Perhaps if I react the same this time I can "get away" with 17-dione (arimistane), but if I do notice some estro issues I will have to add or replace it with something "better". Regarding the PCT; I have started to realise that it might be needed anyway. Especially if you can get "shut down" without noticing. I will surely look into something good for PCT.


EDIT:
I was looking for a PCT product, but don't think I can get my hands on nolvadex or clomid atm (big newbie). I did see "Rebirth" from BLR which is supposed to be a OTC PCT containing: Ellagic Acid Cyclodextrin Complex and E.Cottonii; both which have been shown to act as a SERM (probably lousy ones compared to nolvadex or clomid, but better than nothing). Any suggestions what I would do? I really don't have the knowledge of how to get nolva or clomid... :dunno:
 
No such thing as OTC PCT. You can easily get nolva or clomid. Just use Google. It's against the rules to tell you where to get it, but I'm giving you a hint. In my opinion you should read up a lot more about this before deciding on anything. This isn't an insult at all, just well meaning advice.
 
T-Bone said:
No such thing as OTC PCT. You can easily get nolva or clomid. Just use Google. It's against the rules to tell you where to get it, but I'm giving you a hint. In my opinion you should read up a lot more about this before deciding on anything. This isn't an insult at all, just well meaning advice.
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I appreciate you helping someone like me. Your knowledge is far greater than mine and I don't take what you say as an insult. About the "No OTC PCT", do you mean SERM-specific? Because by the looks of it in some threads, some recommend "SUP3R PCT" by Olympus Labs (which is a OTC product with PCT purposes). Not sure if they ment to stack it with another PCT product (SERM) or if they ment to take it solo though, but the point was that there are OTC products sold for PCT purposes. But maybe you don't think they're good at all? (compared to the real deal)
 
Most people stack SUP3R PCT with a SERM for best results.
 
Dalmore said:
I appreciate you helping someone like me. Your knowledge is far greater than mine and I don't take what you say as an insult. About the "No OTC PCT", do you mean SERM-specific? Because by the looks of it in some threads, some recommend "SUP3R PCT" by Olympus Labs (which is a OTC product with PCT purposes). Not sure if they ment to stack it with another PCT product (SERM) or if they ment to take it solo though, but the point was that there are OTC products sold for PCT purposes. But maybe you don't think they're good at all? (compared to the real deal)
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My opinion is these OTC PCT can be used, but use them in addition to a proper SERM, such as Nolva, Clomid, or Torem.
 
Post Cycle Therapy originated as one thing: Getting the HPTA (your "boys") going again after a cycle of exogenous hormones (and now SARMS). There is nothing better than a SERM to do this. Get a SERM. You only know you are shut down with blood work. Absent that, you are guessing. I'd rather guess with a pharmaceutical drug than with some plants, when it comes to my balls.
 
Matthandyo said:
Yup, Jerry Ward is like their spokes person I think.
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I rarely watch YouTube "fitness" crap, but I actually looked at some of Ward's stuff about an hour ago. My opinion only but... HOLY CRAP!

"Best Legal Fat Burner (For Now)" was just a push to get discontinued product stock out the door. And Jerry, say it with me: Car-Der-Ine... not Carnadine. Primeval should probably clue him in.

And he doesn't seem to know jack about SARMs - it's really embarrassing. Kind of bummed to see Primeval involved in that train wreck.

Ugh, so hard to watch.
 
Youtube is for funny animal videos, and movie trailers and clips. I don't understand this obsession with the kids these days following some stupid know-it-all on YouTube. Anytime I see of that crap I want to punch my computer screen and I immediately regret my decision of clicking on it. Social media has ruined the internet. For those people with youtube channels, I don't care what you have to say about anything. The internet is breeding idiots.
 
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