goodvibes
Well-known member
Post it here? I'd like to see as well
LGD 4033 was pretty much bull****
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TheGoodLife35
Member
I've been on LGD for about a week and I'll be getting my labs done in a week and a half so I can let you guys know what's up after I get them back. I am on UDCA so I doubt they will be out of range anyway.
sanmarino
Member
Hahaha, all right.
In comparison to many others I stay objective. Only in sentences, in which I write "in my opinion" you will read about my subjective opinion.
I'm not aiming for "spreading fear" or rumours. If so, I wouldn't have invested that much time (and: why? To measure the length of the dick over the internet?).
This "fear" - what you are calling - is nothing other than the reality about SARMs. There are two sides - and often it's the positive one about which the users are reading. The negative ones? Not mentioned or only slightly. Of course, in some points of you I can't share at all. But how boring would that be, if I didn't questioning anything what anyone says?
Which things you weren't able to research it? Completely everything is researchable, I don't made this up out of thin air.
I've chosen AM because I noticed the users here are not stupid at all (like in other forums) and have a potential regarding the knowlede about SARMs.
But honestly: if not appreciated, I won't write anything anymore and save up my time (not a threat). If someone with +5000 posts has automatic a "higher" opinion, I'm wrong here.
san
kboxer7
Well-known member
You got it brother...
+ Whacked , sanmarino , yates84 ,
Below are 4 bloodwork results I was able to find so far, not including any posted to AM (that I am aware of). I just started compiling these so I'll add to them as I find more:
Format kinda sucks, but I tried to lay them out as:
a. Dose / length of cycle
b. Baseline bloods (if available)
c. Post bloodwork
d. PCT bloods (if available)
EDIT: the brand was not always stated, but of the examples I've included it did not appear that any of them were associated with any particular company (i.e. no reps). Because the brand was not always included, we do not necessarily know the "purity" of each compound ran, so keep that in mind.
1. Example:
Week 1 2mg ed
wk 2 5mg
wk 3 5 mg
wk 4 10 mg
wk 5 10 mg
BASELINE BLOODWORK:
TESTOSTERONE 1071 ng/dL 250-1100 Details
TESTOSTERONE.FREE 118.3 pg/mL 35.0-155.0 Details
ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 78 High U/L 10-65 Details
ALBUMIN 3.9 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 112 U/L 45-117 Details
ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.1 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 46 High U/L 10-37 Details
BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details
POST CYCLE BLOODWORK:
Testosterone, Serum 41 Low ng/dL ref: 348 - 1197
ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 90 High U/L 10-65 Details
ALBUMIN 4.0 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 93 U/L 45-117 Details
ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.3 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 56 High U/L 10-37 Details
BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details
MAGNESIUM 1.7 mg/dL 1.7-2.4 Details
2. Example:
Weeks 1 - 8: 3mg LGD ED
Weeks 1 - 8: 5 caps HCGenerate ED
Weeks 8 - 12: 5 caps HCGenerate ES ED
Weeks 8 - 12: nolva 10mg ED
BASELINE BLOODWORK:
Blood work on day 0 of cycle:
Total Test: 15.0 nmol/L (8.6 - 29.0)
SHBG: 34.5 nmol/L (17 - 66)
lh - leutenizing hormone - : 3.7 mIU/ml (1.7 -8.6)
FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - : 2.9 mIU/ml (1.5 - 12.4)
POST CYCLE BLOODWORK:
Blood work on day 14 of cycle:
Total test: 5.3 nmol/L (8.6 - 29.0)
SHBG: results due 8 September
lh - leutenizing hormone - / FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - : not done
*test has already taken a massive hit after just 2 weeks on 3mg each day
3. Example:
*LGD at 5mg/day causes a very significant shutdown, for me we are talking 85% reduction of total T after 3 weeks.
4. Example:
LGD-4033 from researchsarms.co.uk. 8-weeks @ 3mg/day
BASELINE BLOODS: none
POST CYCLE BLOODWORK:
Total T = 3.3 ng/mL (]2.8 - 8.0)
Free T = 0.87 ng/mL (0.72 - 2.25)
AFTER pct nolva:
Total T = 7.72 ng/mL (2.8 - 8.0)
BamBam0319
Well-known member
Wow. Pretty suppressive.
yates84
Well-known member
Number of posts holds no weight whatsoever. It is my opinion that you went a little overboard in the sarms thread for a while, I guess you felt it your responsibility to warn the consumer and I respect that. I have never held any information that I know about sarms back, good and bad. Like you said, where's the fun in us agreeing all the time?
yates84
Well-known member
Gotta love serms!
BamBam0319
Well-known member
Ehh I prefer HCGenerate
kboxer7
Well-known member
Yep. LGD is strong. Has to be with the results we've been seeing. Stronger than 1/4 Andro I'd venture to say.
All that said, I've yet to see someone NOT recover from it. Possibly due in part to LGD not having as great of a negative impact on LH and FSH etc
yates84
Well-known member
Some people actually think like that..
BamBam0319
Well-known member
It blows my mind that anyone still wastes their money on that crap.
yates84
Well-known member
You got a dbag on another forum telling g people it helps prevent shutdown. Some people just buy right into it and don't bother to do their own research. Very saddening, both sides of it.
TheGoodLife35
Member
Anyone else gain about 15 pounds on LGD? I am going to add cardio daily now although the bright side is my DL flew up about 100 pounds.
double s
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What brand? Any suppression?
TheGoodLife35
Member
Got it from SS, can't spell it out because it blocks it. It started off great until I started to get suppressed and then I just need to put more effort into everything.
Best part is I'm hardly halfway through the bottle, I'll probably run prop after into Osta.
motiv8er
Well-known member
How do you feel the LGD worked with joints or injuries at that dose? Notice any estrogenic sides? Were you taking anything else with it? A test base or oral? Thanks!!
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
I dosed LGD at a max of 16mg and that was only to finish my Mass GH bottle i ran it for 12 weeks gained about 12-13 ibs and im keeping 9-10 so far and im just about finishing PCT
chubbsthedog6
Member
Yeah i just finished up. Only ran it for about four and a half weeks, 5/5/9/9 but decided to stop due to increase of gyno, lethargy, and slight testicular atrophy. Just didn't seem worth it imo. Will most likely try it again with higher dosed AI throughout and will just start at 10mg right off the bat. Had a little strength increase, slight size increase, but overall sides didn't outweigh the benefits. Learning experience though so now I know what to expect throughout wiht dosage, AI dosage, etc.
chubbsthedog6
Member
Id reccomend some kind of test base during it as well for lethargy, sex drive was fine however
Hercules1982
Member
GYNO FROM LGD!!??
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Honestly, atrophy isn't a true side as if you PCT correctly they'll come right back and lethargy can be combatted with a test base if you did Dermacrine and LGD at `10mg both for 6 weeks while using Ar1macare Pro on cycle i could guarentee minimal sides and about 12-15 pound gains with a proper bulking diet/regimen/sleep. Just sounds like you didnt map out your cycle well, no offense. Im simply giving you a better way to have a successful side, steroids in moderation and done correctly can be extremely healthy as long as you take proper precautions.
chubbsthedog6
Member
Yes.. not bad I took adex .5eod but theres definitely a bit more of a lump then before. Luckily my buddy had some AI for me to get off him cause I did not expect that at all.
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
The reason his AI wasn't working is because sarms also act on prolactin and he probably wasn't using anything to modulate prolactin, so i'm chalking it up to poor planning. LGD is the only SARM i'd advocate and have run more than one cycle of because recovery is so easy, lipids,testes, LH,FSH everything comes right back 6 weeks post cycle when i get my post PCT bloods, just do it right... keeping 8-9 pounds from an LGD run could be a piece of cake..
chubbsthedog6
Member
I completely agree with you youngbodybuil. Basically why I stopped the cycle early because I knew I could get more out of a future one with proper splanning and support sups
chubbsthedog6
Member
What would you reccomend for keeping prolactin in check next time? Just curious
chubbsthedog6
Member
Im planning on just running clomid 40/40/20/20 and some creatine. Think i need anything else in there? I really think recovery will be a breeze especially for how short it was
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Okay, glad you didn't take it to offense was simply saying why it didn't yield what you wanted and how you can do it better as it truly is a good compound. Vitex berry, P5P(pyridoxial-5-phosphate the active form of vitamin b6) and Mucuna puriens you buy them all solo in bulk or just go with SNS(serious nutrition solutions) Inhibit-p i love it, good dosing, not a lot of caps and easy to take!
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
That's fine clomid wise but id throw in Sup3r PCT by olympus labs amazing formula very comprehensive in all of the angles it hits. Also it modulates prolactin which could help and prolactin induced gyno, dont go over board on AI's they screw your lipids,joints, and could kill boners if u crush e too much. Maybe throw in some Reduce XT to minimize post cycle fat gain by controlling cortisol.
So all in all 3 things. Not too bad and pretty cost effective to stay healthy.