Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[ax1]

Who should pay for the Syrian refugees?

Ron Paul
11/23/2015

For the past ten years the US government has been planning and executing a regime change operation against the Syrian government. It is this policy that has produced the chaos in Syria, including the rise of ISIS and al-Qaeda in the country. After a decade of US destabilization efforts, we are now told that Syria is totally destabilized and we therefore must take in thousands of Syrians fleeing the destabilization that Washington caused.

Has there ever been a more foolish and wrong-headed foreign policy than this?

The American people have been forced to pay untold millions for a ten-year CIA and Pentagon program to undermine and overthrow the Syrian government, and now we are supposed to pay millions more to provide welfare for the refugees Obama created.

Who should pay for the millions fleeing the chaos that Washington helped create? How about the military-industrial complex, which makes a killing promoting killing? How about the Beltway neocon think-tanks that continue to churn out pro-war propaganda while receiving huge grants from defense contractors? How about President Obama’s national security advisors, who push him into one regime change disaster after another? How about Hillary Clinton, who came up with the bright idea that “Assad must go”? How about President Obama himself, a president elected to end wars, but who has ended up starting more wars than his predecessor? It’s time those who start the wars start paying for the disasters they create. Then perhaps we might have some relief from an interventionist foreign policy that is destroying our financial and national security.

If Obama wants to take in refugees from the chaos in Syria, there are probably plenty of vacant rooms in the White House.

 

[Jiigzz]

Who should pay for the Syrian refugees?

Ron Paul
11/23/2015

For the past ten years the US government has been planning and executing a regime change operation against the Syrian government. It is this policy that has produced the chaos in Syria, including the rise of ISIS and al-Qaeda in the country. After a decade of US destabilization efforts, we are now told that Syria is totally destabilized and we therefore must take in thousands of Syrians fleeing the destabilization that Washington caused.

Has there ever been a more foolish and wrong-headed foreign policy than this?

The American people have been forced to pay untold millions for a ten-year CIA and Pentagon program to undermine and overthrow the Syrian government, and now we are supposed to pay millions more to provide welfare for the refugees Obama created.

Who should pay for the millions fleeing the chaos that Washington helped create? How about the military-industrial complex, which makes a killing promoting killing? How about the Beltway neocon think-tanks that continue to churn out pro-war propaganda while receiving huge grants from defense contractors? How about President Obama’s national security advisors, who push him into one regime change disaster after another? How about Hillary Clinton, who came up with the bright idea that “Assad must go”? How about President Obama himself, a president elected to end wars, but who has ended up starting more wars than his predecessor? It’s time those who start the wars start paying for the disasters they create. Then perhaps we might have some relief from an interventionist foreign policy that is destroying our financial and national security.

If Obama wants to take in refugees from the chaos in Syria, there are probably plenty of vacant rooms in the White House.

Its crazy what they have done over there. And to think that it can all be traced back to September 11 makes me sick.

whether or not it was orchestrated by the US is ine thing, but allowing it to happen is another.

Without Googling anything, has the true identity of the hikackers ever been revealed?

 

[ax1]

Its crazy what they have done over there. And to think that it can all be traced back to September 11 makes me sick.

whether or not it was orchestrated by the US is ine thing, but allowing it to happen is another.

Without Googling anything, has the true identity of the hikackers ever been revealed?

We have General Patreus, former head of the Military then former head of CIA under Obama coming out saying we need to side with al-queda (he says the "moderate ones," lol) now to fight Isis is astronomically crazy. The very people who supposedly we went to all these wars over for killing 3,000+ Americans on 9/11 that costs us the lives of 5,000+ of our troops, the very people they were fighting should now be armed and be our allies?!?

We dropped over 600 tons of weapons to these people (old 9/2014 numbers) trying to illegally overthrow governments in Syria and who has all the weapons and power now?

Now the very people that caused this mess think we should depend on them to solve the mess. Their solution? Endlessly intervene in the matters of foreign countries and keep trying to prop up puppet governments. Then people ask why they are getting bombed and terrorized in their own homeland. War is war, there are no rules.

I dunno if the true identities of all the hijackers were are really revealed. Some supposedly are still alive! I dunno for sure, but looking at things scientifically it was impossible for someone to fly those planes in those maneuvers (especially the Pentagon strike) that even some of the most advanced pilots may have trouble doing. Personally I think they were flown by remote and the Pentagon was hit by a missile but I dunno everything for sure.

Now if only Obama and congress authorize to reveal those classified "28 pages," that a couple of congressmen have been pushing to unclassified we may get more answers, and word is they show that Obama and Bush's buddies in Saudi Arabia, the ones broke their own beheading record this year and makes ISIS look not so bad are responsible for helping to orchestrate the attacks.
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[thebigt]

so lets say 10,000 refugees come to America, I am going out on a limb and saying most aren't fluent in English and are probably not well educated...the job market is tight as it is for American born citizen's competing for jobs, where do these refugees fit into the job market?....obviously we will pay for them to learn English, educate them, teach them skills, give them jobs through affirmative action....and all the while be paying 100% for housing, food and medical bills, and I assume spending money for 'essentials'. all this and we can't afford to raise the minimum wage, geez what a country!!!!

 

[bighulksmash]

ax1 USA SHOULD PAY IF WE DONT WE'LL GET SUED FOR NEGLECT HAHAHA!?

 

[bighulksmash]

so lets say 10,000 refugees come to America, I am going out on a limb and saying most aren't fluent in English and are probably not well educated...the job market is tight as it is for American born citizen's competing for jobs, where do these refugees fit into the job market?....obviously we will pay for them to learn English, educate them, teach them skills, give them jobs through affirmative action....and all the while be paying 100% for housing, food and medical bills, and I assume spending money for 'essentials'. all this and we can't afford to raise the minimum wage, geez what a country!!!!

I want to move to Zimbabwe and heard goats !!!

 

[ax1]

so lets say 10,000 refugees come to America, I am going out on a limb and saying most aren't fluent in English and are probably not well educated...the job market is tight as it is for American born citizen's competing for jobs, where do these refugees fit into the job market?....obviously we will pay for them to learn English, educate them, teach them skills, give them jobs through affirmative action....and all the while be paying 100% for housing, food and medical bills, and I assume spending money for 'essentials'. all this and we can't afford to raise the minimum wage, geez what a country!!!!

Saudi Arabia who tells the world to take refugees and even offered Germany to build 200 mosques for Syrians wont even take in a single refugee. They even have 100,000 air conditioned tents that can fit 3 million people in the middle of nowhere and not being used.

If I was Obama, besides jumping off a bridge after drinking poison, I would tell the Saudi's you help or we stop selling you weapons and protecting you.

 

[thebigt]

Saudi Arabia who tells the world to take refugees and even offered Germany to build 200 mosques for Syrians wont even take in a single refugee. They even have 100,000 air conditioned tents that can fit 3 million people in the middle of nowhere and not being used.

If I was Obama, besides jumping off a bridge after drinking poison, I would tell the Saudi's you help or we stop selling you weapons and protecting you.

wasn't bin laden a Saudi?

 

[ax1]

wasn't bin laden a Saudi?

Yeah, his whole family were Saudis and some were in the US on the day of 9/11. I think one of them met up with Bush at the White House. The entire country was grounded including Bush's own father, but they flew all of the Bin-Ladens out of this country that night without any interrogation.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, his whole family were Saudis and some were in the US on the day of 9/11. I think one of them met up with Bush at the White House. The entire country was grounded including Bush's own father, but they flew all of the Bin-Ladens out of this country that night without any interrogation.

enough said on the subject of the Saudi's, imo. they are no friend!!!!


I went to boot camp 1/12/77 at great lakes, yeah great lakes in jan during a blizzard, lol.....anyway, here goes all these foreign looking guys marching around in weird looking uniforms....who were they you ask? they were Iranian, we were training the shah's navy!!!

this is truth, I would not make this up!!!

a few years later, the shah needed our help to put down an uprising. we turned our backs on a long time ally, the shah was deposed and militant muslims took over our embassy and held hostages. Khomeini took power establishing a Islamic nation in 79..... this was the start of all of this bullshlt we have happening today.

 

[Jiigzz]

For those who like education on this - Edx has a great course running on terrorism and counter terrorism. Good stuff, I'm in week four.

 

[thebigt]

For those who like education on this - Edx has a great course running on terrorism and counter terrorism. Good stuff, I'm in week four.

i lived it...I firmly believe todays terrorism started in 79. my future ship uss new Orleans was involved in the aborted hostage rescue. when komeini took over he vowed to kick America in it's teeth!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

so lets say 10,000 refugees come to America, I am going out on a limb and saying most aren't fluent in English and are probably not well educated...the job market is tight as it is for American born citizen's competing for jobs, where do these refugees fit into the job market?....obviously we will pay for them to learn English, educate them, teach them skills, give them jobs through affirmative action....and all the while be paying 100% for housing, food and medical bills, and I assume spending money for 'essentials'. all this and we can't afford to raise the minimum wage, geez what a country!!!!

All this while building a huge wall to keep people out

 

[ax1]

For those who like education on this - Edx has a great course running on terrorism and counter terrorism. Good stuff, I'm in week four.

Would you agree that a part of fighting terrorism starts at the individual's right to defend themselves with the right to keep and bear arms? (Of course thats assuming education about guns and other things are a part of it, keeping guns away from crazies and hard criminals,etc...)

Damn thats a nice website, there are alot of courses on there. I wish they had Chinese language above beginner available, maybe soon, but wow this site looks awesome so many courses, thanks!

 

[Jiigzz]

Would you agree that a part of fighting terrorism starts at the individual's right to defend themselves with the right to keep and bear arms? (Of course thats assuming education about guns and other things are a part of it, keeping guns away from crazies and hard criminals,etc...)

Damn thats a nice website, there are alot of courses on there. I wish they had Chinese language above beginner available, maybe soon, but wow this site looks awesome so many courses, thanks!

Edx and Udemy (currently running $12 course across a wide range of courses, valid until tonight but run every month or so and they are normally $200+) are amongst my favourite educational websites. Strongly suggest you check them out. And no, I'm not affiliated lol.

I'm actually not huge on arming the public, mostly because gun violence is so high however a huge part of fighting terrorism is either a) not financing them, lol or b) staying out of another countries politics.

I'm not going to search the validity of these sources, but something tells me Russias direct action against ISIS logistics (war is won when supplies are low - see WW2) is going to cause concern for the US.

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[ax1]

Edx and Udemy (currently running $12 course across a wide range of courses, valid until tonight but run every month or so and they are normally $200+) are amongst my favourite educational websites. Strongly suggest you check them out. And no, I'm not affiliated lol.

I'm actually not huge on arming the public, mostly because gun violence is so high however a huge part of fighting terrorism is either a) not financing them, lol or b) staying out of another countries politics.

I'm not going to search the validity of these sources, but something tells me Russias direct action against ISIS logistics (war is won when supplies are low - see WW2) is going to cause concern for the US.

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Cool, Ill check that out too, thanks! Looking to increase skill set to open some opportunities later in life. Never want to be comfortable thinking my current situation will last forever.

"huge part of fighting terrorism is either a) not financing them, lol or b) staying out of another countries politics."

^^^ I agree with you 100% on that one!

Ill check those articles this evening, Globalresearch is a good website with some good independent journalists.

 

[thebigt]

All this while building a huge wall to keep people out

speaking of which...I read that more Mexicans immigrants are leaving the u.s rather than entering for the 1st time since the 70's...

why not go back, all the jobs are in mexico!!!

 

[ax1]

speaking of which...I read that more Mexicans immigrants are leaving the u.s rather than entering for the 1st time since the 70's...

why not go back, all the jobs are in mexico!!!

ROLF!

 

[thebigt]

ROLF!

yup...soon mexico will be the superpower and we will be the 3rd world nation....thank you bill Clinton and nafta!!!!

 

[ax1]

I'm not going to search the validity of these sources, but something tells me Russias direct action against ISIS logistics (war is won when supplies are low - see WW2) is going to cause concern for the US.

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Well.....lets see if the spark of the "BIG" problem is Turkey shooting out that Russian fighter Jet today.

LOL at this Obama quote from the zerohedge article, "Obama administration has voiced concern that Russia's involvement, at least in Syria, could have a destabilizing effect."

Oh yeah right, Obama's policies have been the contrary, lol. Thanks for destroying the lives of millions of people Obama!

 

[ax1]

yup...soon mexico will be the superpower and we will be the 3rd world nation....thank you bill Clinton and nafta!!!!

North American Union, which bypasses all constitutional law. Kind of like how sovereign nations lost power to unelected officials after the Euro.

 

[Jiigzz]

Interesting developments in the latest proxy war with Turkey taking down a Russian warplane. NATO has said they will defend it's ally if Russia launches military action.

 

[ax1]

Interesting developments in the latest proxy war with Turkey taking down a Russian warplane. NATO has said they will defend it's ally if Russia launches military action.

And when NATO is involved, most likely USA is involved.

They better keep their wars in 3rd world countries. Things like this actually worry me unlike terrorism which is a statistical joke.

 

[Jiigzz]

And when NATO is involved, most likely USA is involved.

They better keep their wars in 3rd world countries. Things like this actually worry me unlike terrorism which is a statistical joke.

You and me both. NZ is not a country in NATO, but an ally of GB. Hopefully it can be resolved peacefully/ politically.

This thread has opened my eyes. I never really considered this conflict to be a proxy war (never really cared tbh) but now it's more clear than ever. I was reading this morning on the Gulf of Tonkin incident which allowed the US to enter the Vietnam proxy war. Interesting stuff.

 

[ax1]

You and me both. NZ is not a country in NATO, but an ally of GB. Hopefully it can be resolved peacefully/ politically.

This thread has opened my eyes. I never really considered this conflict to be a proxy war (never really cared tbh) but now it's more clear than ever. I was reading this morning on the Gulf of Tonkin incident which allowed the US to enter the Vietnam proxy war. Interesting stuff.

Yup....Gulf of Tonkin incident, so sad. Thank JFK for being the only signature to prevent Operation Northwoods (unclassified by the goverment themselves) from being pulled off. That was going to be the original 9/11.

 

[bighulksmash]

You and me both. NZ is not a country in NATO, but an ally of GB. Hopefully it can be resolved peacefully/ politically.

This thread has opened my eyes. I never really considered this conflict to be a proxy war (never really cared tbh) but now it's more clear than ever. I was reading this morning on the Gulf of Tonkin incident which allowed the US to enter the Vietnam proxy war. Interesting stuff.

Right you are jigz

 

[ax1]

Interesting developments in the latest proxy war with Turkey taking down a Russian warplane. NATO has said they will defend it's ally if Russia launches military action.

Im not sure if your aware of RT television out of Washington (Russian Television.) I have it on cable here, and it streams online and on app for free. The website is a good place to get the overall sum of info fast. Its been totally taken over by Putin, but they cover alot of things they dont cover on mainstream media here in the USA. You just have to be careful, but they use alot of stuff covered by alternative media to promote their bias.

rt.com

 

[Jiigzz]

Im not sure if your aware of RT television out of Washington (Russian Television.) I have it on cable here, and it streams online and on app for free. The website is a good place to get the overall sum of info fast. Its been totally taken over by Putin, but they cover alot of things they dont cover on mainstream media here in the USA. You just have to be careful, but they use alot of stuff covered by alternative media to promote their bias.

rt.com

Interesting, will have a look. I have been doing a lot of reading today and even though Russia is attacking ISIS (or supposedly, again not looking into this directly), they support Assad which the US does not (which is why they have been 'allegedly' funding ISIS). It's very interesting.

People doubt whether this will escalate into a full-blown war, but it does bring to surface the tensions between the two sides. I cannot understand why people just don't mind their own business lol

 

[bighulksmash]

Russia vs Turkey guys my moneys on mother Russia!

 

[ax1]

Russia vs Turkey guys my moneys on mother Russia!

One on one yeah no brainier, but if UN gets involved worst case scenario the planet loses.

 

[bighulksmash]

One on one yeah no brainier, but if UN gets involved worst case scenario the planet loses.

Thats wat i said just now . WW3 is upon us

 

[ax1]

Thats wat i said just now . WW3 is upon us

Or...is it WW4? I thought they launched 3 when Obama took office, right?

 

[bighulksmash]

Or...is it WW4? I thought they launched 3 when Obama took office, right?

Good 1 lol. Idk tbh id just like a front row seat and a hazmat suit.

 

[cubsfan815]

All the pieces are falling into place. America is divided. Republicans vs Democrats, racial tensions are high, people have a new boogy man aka isis.

Never mind I don't have to spell it out. I just hope when it hits the fan and people realize we have been lied to, and many many lives have been lost protecting corporate interests not our country.

If Russia retaliates against Turkey, we all will lose.

 

[bighulksmash]

All the pieces are falling into place. America is divided. Republicans vs Democrats, racial tensions are high, people have a new boogy man aka isis.

Never mind I don't have to spell it out. I just hope when it hits the fan and people realize we have been lied to, and many many lives have been lost protecting corporate interests not our country.

If Russia retaliates against Turkey, we all will lose.

Well said , Russia is planning to attack . I believe Putin will strike back harder . Turkey did it intentionally . Russia has the right to defend its own 12.4 clicks outside airspace. ... not a enough reason imo

 

[cubsfan815]

Well said , Russia is planning to attack . I believe Putin will strike back harder . Turkey did it intentionally . Russia has the right to defend its own 12.4 clicks outside airspace. ... not a enough reason imo

Man on 11/9 US sent two squads of F15s to Turkey. F15s are air to air only, no ground weapons. That day I told my friends and family, something wasn't right.

 

[bighulksmash]

Man on 11/9 US sent two squads of F15s to Turkey. F15s are air to air only, no ground weapons. That day I told my friends and family, something wasn't right.

Did you read up on the exchange of information? Imo sending those 2 eagle's to fly there was a dead give away. Its going down and faster than we are expecting.

 

[cubsfan815]

I'm still reading up. I'm afraid since so many people are waking up, a fast track is in place.

 

[bighulksmash]

I'm still reading up. I'm afraid since so many people are waking up, a fast track is in place.

I just read that turkey now blew up a Russian rescue heli sent to recover the pilots.
CNN

 

[cubsfan815]

I just read that turkey now blew up a Russian rescue heli sent to recover the pilots.
CNN

Earlier they were saying Syrian rebels did that.

Rand Paul had some good points about not provoking a nuclear superpower.

 

[bighulksmash]

Earlier they were saying Syrian rebels did that.

Rand Paul had some good points about not provoking a nuclear superpower.

Turkey will lose ... emergency nato talks underway.

 

[ax1]

Obama says Turkey has a right to defend its airspace.

Now China comes out and says Russia has the right to retaliate and take out a Turkish Jet.

So what can happen next? Let me throw a curve-ball.

Lets play war games....USA does more military flybys over the Chinese man made military islands in the China Sea. China gives warning and then say f' it, lets take the mofo out out of our airspace.

Then....__________________________________________________________________________________________!

 

[bighulksmash]

Obama says Turkey has a right to defend its airspace.

Now China comes out and says Russia has the right to retaliate and take out a Turkish Jet.

So what can happen next? Let me throw a curve-ball.

Lets play war games....USA does more military flybys over the Chinese man made military islands in the China Sea. China gives warning and then say f' it, lets take the mofo out out of our airspace.

Then....__________________________________________________________________________________________!

Obama doesn't understand the facts.
He has Syrian roots . Russia will retaliate, its a matter if time nato will be split over the decision to attack.


If you piss on my lawn , ill piss on yours .

 

[ax1]

Quick morning summary of Russian news from RT.

Leaked UN document shows Turkey claiming the plane was in their airspace for 17 seconds!
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Russian Foreign minister says this looks like a planned provocation.
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Russia is now deploying S-400 missle defense system at a airbase in Syria.
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Russian missile cruiser ready to "destroy" dangerous air targets.
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Quick Summary of CNN morning news.
Charlie Sheen also has herpes, Michelle Obama has a new pair of shoes, Joe Biden excited for some serious door-buster deals for black friday shopping, new Captain America vs. Iron man civil war trailer (looking forward to that one,) and Obama wins 10 more noble peace prizes as "War is Peace!"

And for the final CNN morning news of the day, Trump said something controversial.

 

[bighulksmash]

Quick morning summary of Russian news from RT.

Leaked UN document shows Turkey claiming the plane was in their airspace for 17 seconds!
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Russian Foreign minister says this looks like a planned provocation.
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Russia is now deploying S-400 missle defense system at a airbase in Syria.
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Russian missile cruiser ready to "destroy" dangerous air targets.
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Quick Summary of CNN morning news.
Charlie Sheen also has herpes, Michelle Obama has a new pair of shoes, Joe Biden excited for some serious door-buster deals for black friday shopping, new Captain America vs. Iron man civil war trailer (looking forward to that one), and Obama wins 10 more noble peace prizes as "War is Peace!"

And for the final CNN morning news of the day, Trump said something controversial.

War is peace !! It's a shadow saying

 

[bighulksmash]

What I don't like about this is United States is sticking up for Turkey weather in regards to Russia Turkey has violated the Geneva Convention they fired at a pilot in distress while he was on his way to the ground. The plane never even entered Turkish airspace like I said before they even released the article. United States is defending Turkey which means United States will have big problems with Russia, this is what we don't want to happen it will spell trouble for each and every country involved. Russia is no suka everybody will see that very soon I hope to God they find peace and let Turkey and Russia sort this out themselves.

 

[ax1]

What I don't like about this is United States is sticking up for Turkey weather in regards to Russia Turkey has violated the Geneva Convention they fired at a pilot in distress while he was on his way to the ground. The plane never even entered Turkish airspace like I said before they even released the article. United States is defending Turkey which means United States will have big problems with Russia, this is what we don't want to happen it will spell trouble for each and every country involved. Russia is no suka everybody will see that very soon I hope to God they find peace and let Turkey and Russia sort this out themselves.

Quote of the day by one of my favorite Journalists.

"Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that protects and finances ISIS."
Paul Joseph Watson

2nd quote: "Jihadist rebels showed how "moderate" they are by blowing up a medical rescue helicopter. We should definitely give them more weapons."

Paul's short summary news report on the situation.

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[bighulksmash]

Quote of the day by one of my favorite Journalists.

"Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that protects and finances ISIS."
Paul Joseph Watson

2nd quote: "Jihadist rebels showed how "moderate" they are by blowing up a medical rescue helicopter. We should definitely give them more weapons."

Paul's short summary news report on the situation.

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Yup all of that i learned recently on rt . If NATO cancels turkeys membership problem gets worse. The USA should team up with Russia and take care of isis, but Obama doesn't the balls to attack turkey in "fear" for our safety. Eliminate isis , world gets to breathe freely again.

 

[bighulksmash]

DOHS just released a report saying isis has cells in usa and are planning attacks over the next few months.

 

[ax1]

DOHS just released a report saying isis has cells in usa and are planning attacks over the next few months.

The 9/11 hijackers were protected before 9/11."Terrorist" Anwar al-Awlaki the spiritual leader of the 9/11hijackers that we assasinated a few years back was the Pentagon special guest of honor and the FBI was blocked from arresting and interrogating him. We created and now are openly funding and arming Al-Queda the very group we went to all these wars for.

If ISIS is in the USA it doesnt surprise me. They are probably CIA just like the rest of them.

Mark my words.....10-15 years ISIS will openly be our allies to the public and a new terrorist boogieman will be created. Why? Look at our recent history. After everyone was either desensitized or the informed public found out that the war on terror is just a military industrial complex ponzi scheme to take our tax dollars and rape our liberties they need to step up and create the new modern boogieman. Who knows, maybe Putin and the KGB will be next and we will openly give ISIS nukes to fight the Reds.

Just watch old Vietnam news footage, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, ect....continue the status quo until the public wakes up. Look at Vietnam now, some terrorists, lol!