Dienolone and desoxytest

HORRID HORRID HORRID Acne from desoxy test.. never ever ever have I gotten that from anything else. 800/wk saw nothing but I was bulking. If I was dieting in pre-contest around 6 weeks out, I prolly would have loved it.
 
bert45 said:
Dienalone is good comparable to tren just slightly wetter.
Desoxy-test is hit or miss rather run mast
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With the more experience I have, the more I believe compounds are only really 'wet' or 'dry' based on diet. I'm running Dienolone TD right now at 150mg/day (2mL of Dienazone) and am dry/tight. I'm cutting, carb backloading and consuming the majority of carbs peri-workout.
 
Gutterpump said:
With the more experience I have, the more I believe compounds are only really 'wet' or 'dry' based on diet. I'm running Dienolone TD right now at 150mg/day (2mL of Dienazone) and am dry/tight. I'm cutting, carb backloading and consuming the majority of carbs peri-workout.
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Dienalone/deca would never leave me dry and grainy like tren/ mast even with diet on check I just tend to retain extra sub water on those compounds I might be more prone to estrogen related side effects
 
Gutterpump said:
With the more experience I have, the more I believe compounds are only really 'wet' or 'dry' based on diet. I'm running Dienolone TD right now at 150mg/day (2mL of Dienazone) and am dry/tight. I'm cutting, carb backloading and consuming the majority of carbs peri-workout.
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Thanks for the input man.

So how do you like it?

How are sides? Does it effect people like tren does in terms of anxiety?
 
I've noticed that sides on Dienolone are almost non-existent. I'm pretty glad there's been no night sweats whatsoever. In a few weeks I'll be switching from 150mg/day of the TD, to 75mg ace, so we'll see if sides change.
 
VWMeatHead said:
Thanks for the input man.

So how do you like it?

How are sides? Does it effect people like tren does in terms of anxiety?
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I've never used tren, which is why I'm trying out dien
No anxiety for me, but I've also pre-empted any mental sides by starting tianeptine at the same time.

It's only week 2 for me, so we'll see how things go.
 
bert45 said:
Dienalone/deca would never leave me dry and grainy like tren/ mast even with diet on check I just tend to retain extra sub water on those compounds I might be more prone to estrogen related side effects
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I've been thinking about trying trest ace / epistane / mast next, for some grainy lean gains. Maybe winny instead of mast though. Any thoughts on this?
 
Gutterpump said:
I've been thinking about trying trest ace / epistane / mast next, for some grainy lean gains. Maybe winny instead of mast though. Any thoughts on this?
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That will deff get you grainy I like masteron better then winny. My joints would kill me with epi and winny 2gether.
 
I may do the same cycle in april trest + epi + mast. It's really amazing you get fullness hardness and dry grain look. Are you doing IM trest ace?
 
Gutterpump said:
I've never used tren, which is why I'm trying out dien
No anxiety for me, but I've also pre-empted any mental sides by starting tianeptine at the same time.

It's only week 2 for me, so we'll see how things go.
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You using anything extra for bp/prolactin? I have some I've been holding off on for forever.
 
SweetLou321 said:
You using anything extra for bp/prolactin? I have some I've been holding off on for forever.
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For the dien? Nothing for prolactin yet, it's been 2 weeks. Going to run my TD for 2 more weeks, then 4 weeks of dien ace at 75mg/day.

I'm using the TD dien at a high dose as well, 150mg/day (2mL) and no gyno symptoms. I'm also barely touching my AI. I'm also taking 40mg of tr1umph with this, which I'm bumping to 60mg after 4 weeks.

Not taking anything extra for BP besides some ubiquinol and cycle support, which has some stuff for BP in it. I take an ARB typically for my BP in general, which was 116/60 before I started.

Dien is nice for muscle density and strength (best used on a cut/recomp). I don't think it'd be great on a bulk imo.
 
Gutterpump said:
For the dien? Nothing for prolactin yet, it's been 2 weeks. Going to run my TD for 2 more weeks, then 4 weeks of dien ace at 75mg/day.

I'm using the TD dien at a high dose as well, 150mg/day (2mL) and no gyno symptoms. I'm also barely touching my AI. I'm also taking 40mg of tr1umph with this, which I'm bumping to 60mg after 4 weeks.

Not taking anything extra for BP besides some ubiquinol and cycle support, which has some stuff for BP in it. I take an ARB typically for my BP in general, which was 116/60 before I started.

Dien is nice for muscle density and strength (best used on a cut/recomp). I don't think it'd be great on a bulk imo.
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Love the feedback. Thanks!
 
Hey guys, just thought I'd post an update in here... So I weighed myself in after being on 2mL (150mg/day) of TD dien, along with 40mg tr1iumph for just over 2 weeks. I didn't expect much of a change on the scale yet, or even at all since I'm recomping with very low cals on half of my days, and mixture of maintenance and refeed days the other half.

I'm up 5lbs from where I started, and am visibly leaner. And only 2 weeks into an 8 week run.

Sides are almost non-existent, exept for cramping after a workout, but this can be fixed with electrolytes. I trully believe it's the oral that's doing this. Some orals mess with electrolytes and cause cramping (calves, core, etc). I do wake up more at night but it's not horrible. I'm still taking a TRT dose of test, so libido is still great too. Absolutely 0 back pumps, but I am warming up well and focusing on moblity. Back pumps are from tight hips, lower back, QL muscles that fill with blood when on. Fix your posture/mobility, and back pumps are never a problem.
 
Gutterpump said:
Hey guys, just thought I'd post an update in here... So I weighed myself in after being on 2mL (150mg/day) of TD dien, along with 40mg tr1iumph for just over 2 weeks. I didn't expect much of a change on the scale yet, or even at all since I'm recomping with very low cals on half of my days, and mixture of maintenance and refeed days the other half.

I'm up 5lbs from where I started, and am visibly leaner. And only 2 weeks into an 8 week run.
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Damn dude! That's solid
 
VWMeatHead said:
Damn dude! That's solid
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I've just updated the post with more feedback :D I was running a log on another board but the board seems to be down for the past two days. I might continue the log here...

I've also been hitting PR's on this stuff, and it's crazy because my cal's are real low. I'm definitely working for all these results though. My workouts are a crazy hybrid of strength training, volume, and huge giant set burners, in that order.
 
This is good info, I'm getting ready for my next cycle
Desoxy t cyp 600mg/week weeks 1-10
Trest phenylprop-ace 225/75mg/week weeks 1-10
Test prop 300mg/week weeks 8-14

Thinking of 30mg msten as kicker, or 50mg of dimethadrol as kicker.
 
jbryand101b said:
This is good info, I'm getting ready for my next cycle
Desoxy t cyp 600mg/week weeks 1-10
Trest phenylprop-ace 225/75mg/week weeks 1-10
Test prop 300mg/week weeks 8-14

Thinking of 30mg msten as kicker, or 50mg of dimethadrol as kicker.
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Beware of acne (bacne) on the desoxy-test. It didn't seem to care that I was on accutane. Was running same dose as you of DTC.
 
To be perfectly honest with everyone in this thread, Desoxy-test has nothing on EQ, but has worse sides. If you can get EQ or bold-cyp, do that instead.
 
I can get both those as well, but my curiosity of the two got the best. It'll probably be the last time though, as prices for these were much higher than eq & bold cyp, well, actually, they're higher than everything.
Except trest ace, but it's always oos so.

Looking forward to it though.

I'll keep the acne treatment n mind, def good to know ahead of time so I don't freak out lol
 
bert45 said:
As in desoxy is better but more side effects?
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I meant desoxy doesn't hold a torch to EQ or bold-cyp, for it's intended purpose. EQ and bold-cyp, even a decent dose of primo would be better. Desoxy can bring mental sides and pretty bad acne.

Gains, vascularity and hardness are all better on the other 3 I mentioned.
 
Gutterpump said:
I meant desoxy doesn't hold a torch to EQ or bold-cyp, for it's intended purpose. EQ and bold-cyp, even a decent dose of primo would be better. Desoxy can bring mental sides and pretty bad acne.

Gains, vascularity and hardness are all better on the other 3 I mentioned.
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Ok cool. I heard it's really bad on anxiety
 
VWMeatHead said:
Sounds like it. And, while Mast may increase aggression a bit, it's other sides are nice lol...rock hard dick 24/7 and the urge to **** inanimate objects haha.
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Aggression is good for strength honestly. Just excites the CNS more then other aas.
 
Gutterpump said:
I meant desoxy doesn't hold a torch to EQ or bold-cyp, for it's intended purpose. EQ and bold-cyp, even a decent dose of primo would be better. Desoxy can bring mental sides and pretty bad acne.

Gains, vascularity and hardness are all better on the other 3 I mentioned.
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Mental sides are real. Straight paranoia on this with a major drop in libido.

How is eq on the estrogen and libido side of things?
 
SweetLou321 said:
Mental sides are real. Straight paranoia on this with a major drop in libido.

How is eq on the estrogen and libido side of things?
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Yea **** that.

EQ is straight on e2 sides as long as you're not running it at like 1g+.

It makes my libido plummet though.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Mental sides are real. Straight paranoia on this with a major drop in libido.

How is eq on the estrogen and libido side of things?
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EQ and mast were great for me all around. Libido was amazing but anxiety became an issue for me on EQ after 9 months so I had to stop. It took a really long time to become an issue though and I was also cutting fwiw. Tianeptine always prevents this for me while on though, but I figured it was time to stop anyhow, even though I could've got some to help.

Aggression on mast was very slight; not a problem. Desoxy had me arguing with my ex over nothing though. 0 patience. Strength, size and vascularity was far better on mast/eq.
 
jbryand101b said:
They'll be in my log that I started yesterday.

Trest phenyl-ace, dst cyp, test p an maybe some msten

My before.... :lol:

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Hell of a stack wondering why u choose to run dst cyp? Have you ran it before?
LOL at before pic
 
VWMeatHead said:
Purely out of curiosity...

Anyone have experience with either of these compounds in TD or IM form?
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Both, in IM version.

If you can keep BP down with Ace Inhibitors, Cialis, Garlic, etc, about 150-200mg/day of Dienolone is absurdly awesome for strength, mass, fat burning, pumps...just about everything. I got shin splints and skin tearing calf pumps from just walking down the street at those doses.

I'm thinkin my next recomp cycle is a 4 week blast of Dien @ those doses.

Also, for whatever reason, Dienolone increases my testicle size by at least 25%. Have no idea why but an FDA study found the same results. It acts similar to estrogen in some ways but is somehow also extremely anabolic.
 
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