Rant. .....Would you train under this dude?

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datsthat said:
True....., but this is called FITNESS industry for a reason. I understand if medically cannot.
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This "fitness" industry is probably one of the most mind fcuking place anyone can be in. I've never hated my body so damn much until I got into it, and questioned why I looked all fcuked up while chicks who were bigger than me didn't have any loose skin or stretch marks after they lost weight. People only want to show their best sides and hide their insecurities, myself included. (Hell no, I'm not going to post my flopping belly)

Do you honestly think people support each other? There will always be an underlying sense of jealousy in life and in this industry. Nobody wants the other person to have a better body, lift heavier, or succeed...


But also... At the end of the day who gives a damn what anyone does. We'll be happier if we just worry about ourselves.
 
puccah8808 said:
This "fitness" industry is probably one of the most mind fcuking place anyone can be in. I've never hated my body so damn much until I got into it, and questioned why I looked all fcuked up while chicks who were bigger than me didn't have any loose skin or stretch marks after they lost weight. People only want to show their best sides and hide their insecurities, myself included. (Hell no, I'm not going to post my flopping belly)

Do you honestly think people support each other? There will always be an underlying sense of jealousy in life and in this industry. Nobody wants the other person to have a better body, lift heavier, or succeed...


But also... At the end of the day who gives a damn what anyone does. We'll be happier if we just worry about ourselves.
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For me, I can care less what others think about my so called body. My reasons for trying to get in best shape possible are as follows
(1) Health
(2) Ability protect defend my loved ones in a natural disasters and/or to open multiple cans of whoop azz if needed. I don't want to be in a situation where I cannot do what I need to do because of my lack of physical abilities. For example, on a family hike, my son or wife falls of side of cliff and I had to pull him up with 1 arm holding onto a tree and the other holding onto him.

Yea, the fitness industry is full of fake insecure people...I am not saying anybody here is insecure and fake.
 
datsthat said:
True....., but this is called FITNESS industry for a reason. I understand if medically cannot.
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You are judging him by his physical appearance and not his physical fitness.

Fitness is a measure of capacity to perform work using a given workload and for a given duration.

Physical aesthetics or appealing physical character traits are not measures of fitness.

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David Dunn said:
You are judging him by his physical appearance and not his physical fitness.

Fitness is a measure of capacity to perform work using a given workload and for a given duration.

Physical aesthetics or appealing physical character traits are not measures of fitness.
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damn you david dunn....you are correct (once again). I would not have any issues if he wasn't such an arrogant ahole. I saw him last night talking down a newbie. Newbies are newbies for a reason.
 
datsthat, just curious how old you are and how long you have been into weight lifting? I ask because I have found the people that generally have views and opinions on how others look tend to be younger and new to weight lifting.

There are always exceptions, but when we get more confident and secure in ourselves, we tend to not worry about inconsequential things like what others appearances are.
 
He's a judgement free trainer

Fits perfectly into their judgement free beliefs........"PIZZA FRIDAYs if you do 3 pushups!!! or 1 hell, I won't judge"
 
My coworker asked me about the new gym I checked out. He's looking for a gym because he needs to lose weight but only wants to ride the bike. I told him to go to Planet Fitness....
 
David Dunn said:
You are judging him by his physical appearance and not his physical fitness.

Fitness is a measure of capacity to perform work using a given workload and for a given duration.

Physical aesthetics or appealing physical character traits are not measures of fitness.

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Wow you took the words literally out of my mouth. /end thread IMO.
 
JG93 said:
He is still fat... And repulsive.
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So don't do him then. Seriously what the hell is wrong with you people that you have come on a forum and post how you don't like what other people look like?. I have been trying to hold back and not post but this type of behavior just disgusts me. Get over yourselves.
 
David Dunn said:
You are judging him by his physical appearance and not his physical fitness.

Fitness is a measure of capacity to perform work using a given workload and for a given duration.

Physical aesthetics or appealing physical character traits are not measures of fitness.

Look at all these fat bastards and tell me they're not fit Invalid Link Removed
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Yeah and I bet he wouldn't go up to the guy and tell him how displeased he is with his body. Some of the people I see being called fat on here are in much better shape and much much stronger than any fancy pants bodybuilder type that likes to prance around with his shirt off all oiled up!
 
T-Bone said:
Yeah and I bet he wouldn't go up to the guy and tell him how displeased he is with his body. Some of the people I see being called fat on here are in much better shape and much much stronger than any fancy pants bodybuilder type that likes to prance around with his shirt off all oiled up!
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As a Strongman fan myself, I know this all too well. Someone like Big Z wouldn't look too impressive to most people with clothes on....but what the man can do....good god.
 
carmaf said:
As a Strongman fan myself, I know this all too well. Someone like Big Z wouldn't look too impressive to most people with clothes on....but what the man can do....good god.
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True. Body-building isn't a sport either. It's a beauty contest for "men". These people spend their entire lives trying to look good. Good enough so they can get up a stage all oiled up in "posing trunks" and then proceed to prance around and pose to the music of their choosing. The only thing missing is a talent portion, but I'd guess talent is lacking in this demographic. Maybe I'm judging a little bit, but really I'm just telling the truth. Just because someone isn't a bodybuilder doesn't give people the right to ridicule them like this, and publicly too!. If you don't like it, well then don't look at it!. I'm also sure some of the bodybuilder types didn't start out all ripped to shreds to. I'm betting some of them started out fat asses too. But actual fat asses, not some kind of bodybuilder type goggles fat......
 
T-Bone said:
True. Body-building isn't a sport either. It's a beauty contest for "men". These people spend their entire lives trying to look good. Good enough so they can get up a stage all oiled up in "posing trunks" and then proceed to prance around and pose to the music of their choosing. The only thing missing is a talent portion, but I'd guess talent is lacking in this demographic. Maybe I'm judging a little bit, but really I'm just telling the truth. Just because someone isn't a bodybuilder doesn't give people the right to ridicule them like this, and publicly too!. If you don't like it, well then don't look at it!. I'm also sure some of the bodybuilder types didn't start out all ripped to shreds to. I'm betting some of them started out fat asses too. But actual fat asses, not some kind of bodybuilder type goggles fat......
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This is the truth. I also know from the combat sport world that there are people who would not "look" fit, either "skinny" or "fat" or just average, but their level of skill, and fitness, was insane. If we take juice out of the equation, most people's genetics won't allow them to look like bodybuilders, but that doesn't mean there aren't some crazy natty athletes out there.
 
I am late to this game, but I'd have more trouble doing leg presses on that purple machine and taking myself seriously than listening to him.

Maybe he is arrogant because he needs to be to get people to listen and stop thinking he's just a fat bastard. I'm not saying his arrogance is excusable, but to focus on his looks isn't right either. There are plenty of muscled up dudes using steroids who know nothing about training and act just as arrogant as this guy I bet. The best advice they can give is eat clen and tren hard.

And to assume he doesn't have knowledge because he doesn't apply it is a mistake. Everyone is fighting their own battles, and maybe he just isn't at that point in his life right now. When I was in high school I read EVERYTHING I could get my hands on about bodybuilding, nutrition, etc. I changed my body dramatically and people would come to me for advice all the time. Then as I went through college, life started taking over and I slowly got away from working out...gained over 100 pounds, and stayed there for over 10 years. I was fat as ****.

And I would come across people trying to get into shape and they would be following this fad diet or taking that new spinning class, or whatever, and I'd offer advice and I probably came off as a little arrogant for such a fat bastard too. But it wasn't that I didn't have the knowledge. It was that I didn't apply it. And people weren't smart enough to figure out the difference. I didn't blame them, it never upset me, I just offered my thoughts and they'd look at me like I was crazy and I would move on.

Over the last 2-3 years I've slowly been applying it and now people have an interest in what I'm doing because I've lost 100 pounds. But I haven't learned much "new" - I had all the same info when I was fat. People are so driven by packaging they can't think on their own.

Someone like this guy may be less intimidating to others, and he may be giving them the hard love they need in order to stay the course. What kind of results are his clients seeing is the question? Are they getting what they want out of the relationship or not?

I don't know the guy, maybe he is a jerk, but "he's fat so he can't know anything about getting in shape" is not always an intelligent argument. Maybe the guy is a doctor with degrees in exercise science. What you are really noticing is the disconnect between knowledge and motivation.
 
carmaf said:
This is the truth. I also know from the combat sport world that there are people who would not "look" fit, either "skinny" or "fat" or just average, but their level of skill, and fitness, was insane. If we take juice out of the equation, most people's genetics won't allow them to look like bodybuilders, but that doesn't mean there aren't some crazy natty athletes out there.
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I bet the same people would call this guy fat,




But that would disgust me even more because he is disabled.
 
T-Bone said:
I bet the same people would call this guy fat,




But that would disgust me even more because he is disabled.
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to further your point. Olympic record smasher. I don't even want to rant on this subject. I just hope OP that you will read some of these responses and re-think your definition of fitness.
 
Ok, I don't want to pile on the OP too much, because I have made these same mistakes myself in the past - but OP, you posted a photo of this guy. Where's your photo of you?
 
carmaf said:
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to further your point. Olympic record smasher. I don't even want to rant on this subject. I just hope OP that you will read some of these responses and re-think your definition of fitness.
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The definition of "fitness" is the condition of being physically fit and healthy...

The other way fitness can be used, as possessing the knowledge of a certain skill and capable of performing a task, is not referring to a physiological state.
 
123abcabcabc said:
The definition of "fitness" is the condition of being physically fit and healthy...

The other way fitness can be used, as possessing the knowledge of a certain skill and capable of performing a task, is not referring to a physiological state.
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Is this man physically fit and healthy to you? He is to me.
 
carmaf said:
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Is this man physically fit and healthy to you? He is to me.
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I think you're battling underlying insecurities you have. And no, physically fit doesn't mean aesthetic by any means.... but there is a standard to what is considered healthy and medical professionals can agree that a moderate bodyfat ratio is a huge factor.
 
123abcabcabc said:
I think you're battling underlying insecurities you have. And no, physically fit doesn't mean aesthetic by any means.... but there is a standard to what is considered healthy and medical professionals can agree that a moderate bodyfat ratio is a huge factor.
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For sure trolling
 
T-Bone said:
True. Body-building isn't a sport either. It's a beauty contest for "men". These people spend their entire lives trying to look good. Good enough so they can get up a stage all oiled up in "posing trunks" and then proceed to prance around and pose to the music of their choosing. The only thing missing is a talent portion, but I'd guess talent is lacking in this demographic. Maybe I'm judging a little bit, but really I'm just telling the truth.
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Better yet - the Q&A portion. That should be a good chuckle as well.
Just because someone isn't a bodybuilder doesn't give people the right to ridicule them like this, and publicly too!.
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As well, lifting weights for six months and using steroids doesn't make you a bodybuilder. Nor does obsessing over your macros and denying yourself food pleasures. I could go on and on about all the pride and boasting of obsessive compulsive behaviors and activities that don't make you a bodybuilder...

Was wondering where you'd been ;)
 
kisaj said:
datsthat, just curious how old you are and how long you have been into weight lifting? I ask because I have found the people that generally have views and opinions on how others look tend to be younger and new to weight lifting.

There are always exceptions, but when we get more confident and secure in ourselves, we tend to not worry about inconsequential things like what others appearances are.
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I just turned 41. I've only been lifting since march of this year after about 18ish years. I struggle with addiction 10 out 18 years and took 5 of remaining 8 years to get clean, recover, and feel somewhat normal without dealing with paws.

Most of the comments here overlooked the point I was making which was/is the only reason I ranted is because of his degrading tone of voice to his client. I've witnesses this on two occasions. But I've learned something reading this thread. I should have ranted about his arrogant attitude only and leave his physical appearance out of it.

I'll do some souls searching as I my attitude may be the root cause. I mean that seriously.

Yes, I agree with you. I would think that the majority of negative comments are from a younger crowd.
 
David Dunn said:
IME The people that look the least likely to be someone you would learn from and respect are usually the ones that have the most to share and teach and deserve the most respect.

You have know idea if this guy was a power lifter, ex college or pro football player and or strength and conditioning coach. Aside from receivers and backs most professional football and power lifters are fat ****s - that would own your ass in both fitness and knowledge.
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That's exactly what I think/say when people try to bash Greg Glassman (being the founder of Crossfit, but doesn't look the part). People tend to be super judgmental, even some of the 'elite' trainers on this board. You'd think people would be smarter than this though.
 
kisaj said:
I personally think that it is a good idea to have more "normal" looking people that may have knowledge for those people that normally would be intimidated to go to a trainer. This guy is a poor example, but I think you need trainers for each segment of people that may be looking for one.
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Can you imagine how little would be achieved in this world if we had to figure out a way to make sure everyone was comfortable before they would take action?

If people can't suck it up and go to the gym then it is simple you don't get the benefits. From a business standpoint I understand the move and agree with it. From a societal stand point I am fed up with "feelings" being more important than anything else.

If I wanted to learn basketball I would not go to the guy/gal tossing up air balls and bricks because I "felt" more comfortable with them. This is how mediocrity breeds mediocrity and soon enough it becomes the new normal. It's just sad.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Can you imagine how little would be achieved in this world if we had to figure out a way to make sure everyone was comfortable before they would take action?

If I wanted to learn basketball I would not go to the guy/gal tossing up air balls and bricks because I "felt" more comfortable with them. This is how mediocrity breeds mediocrity and soon enough it becomes the new normal. It's just sad.
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Dude --- Planet Fitness is the EPITOME of mediocrity.

What sort of trainers do you really expect to find there?
 
I do not expect much TBH but it is a matter of professionalism to me. It is unprofessional to lack a certain level of physical fitness if that is the business you are pursuing. I am NOT speaking to this mans character nor am I making a judgement as to his worth in this world or whether he is nice or not. The question was not, " Would you grill out with this guy, or watch a ball game with this guy or have a beer with this guy?" The question was would you seek this person out to enhance you pursuit of physical fitness based off the picture provided I would say no. Now if I were to know more about him that may change but that was not the question.
 
I gotchu. I would never go to a Planet Fitness, so my answer would be no to any trainer there regardless of how they looked. I mean, if there's no squat/power rack, and no flat bench, then there's no point for me personally.

About 8 yrs ago, I hired a boxer, golden gloves champ here in NYC, as my trainer. He was very small, and back then I was more into bodybuilding, but he knew his stuff even though he didn't train for size, and I jived with his personality.

I do kinda agree that personal trainers should be at the very least presentable though, if that is their profession. But yeah, I don't expect much from that gym.
 
Gutterpump said:
I gotchu. I would never go to a Planet Fitness, so my answer would be no to any trainer there regardless of how they looked. I mean, if there's no squat/power rack, and no flat bench, then there's no point for me personally.

About 8 yrs ago, I hired a boxer, golden gloves champ here in NYC, as my trainer. He was very small, and back then I was more into bodybuilding, but he knew his stuff even though he didn't train for size, and I jived with his personality.

I do kinda agree that personal trainers should be at the very least presentable though, if that is their profession. But yeah, I don't expect much from that gym.
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No fighter trains for size.
 
datsthat said:
I just turned 41. I've only been lifting since march of this year after about 18ish years. I struggle with addiction 10 out 18 years and took 5 of remaining 8 years to get clean, recover, and feel somewhat normal without dealing with paws.

Most of the comments here overlooked the point I was making which was/is the only reason I ranted is because of his degrading tone of voice to his client. I've witnesses this on two occasions. But I've learned something reading this thread. I should have ranted about his arrogant attitude only and leave his physical appearance out of it.

I'll do some souls searching as I my attitude may be the root cause. I mean that seriously.

Yes, I agree with you. I would think that the majority of negative comments are from a younger crowd.
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This is the point exactly. Great job being objective OP. We've all made the same mistake, it's tough not to make these jumps sometimes. Great job with your own personal success too!
 
You can buy a Formula 1 Race Car but it doesn't make you Michael Andretti. Get over yourselves and your elite gym memberships.
 
I think most of us were agreeing with you ^
I don't think it's elitist to think that every gym should have a squat rack though. Or that you can drop weights, or make noise whatsoever. Planet Fitness is simply an abomination in the fitness world.
 
A pubescent teen boy or girl, a senior citizen extending their life, a middle aged pre heart attach stroke father/husband, a postpartum mother of 3, all perfect customers for PF.

Quite honestly the main corporate gyms need half to more of their clientele to leave and go to PF.

80% of the irritation I experience in my gym are likely the same obnoxious self righteous elitist over supplementing newbie juicer meathead posters on these forum. :)
 
David Dunn said:
A pubescent teen boy or girl, a senior citizen extending their life, a middle aged pre heart attach stroke father/husband, a postpartum mother of 3, all perfect customers for PF.

Quite honestly the main corporate gyms need half to more of their clientele to leave and go to PF.
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Why exactly do they need to leave?
 
kisaj said:
Why exactly do they need to leave?
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with the implications in this thread that your fitness level and performance abilities and training knowledge is prerequisite to the type of gym you should be at most people could walk up a hill, ride a bike, use soup cans for resistance and selfie and text from their homes. They don't need to occupy a gym to do that.

Just sayin' ;)
 
Here's a tip for ya. If you don't like Planet Fitness, then don't go to Planet Fitness and make fun of people because they don't live up to your self-prescribed standards of "fitness"......Certainly don't go there and take a candid picture of a guy so you can make a thread about how much you dis-prove of his physical appearance and post it on internet forum hoping to get similar reactions from others so you can feel good about yourself.
 
T-Bone said:
Here's a tip for ya. If you don't like Planet Fitness, then don't go to Planet Fitness and make fun of people because they don't live up to your self-prescribed standards of "fitness"......Certainly don't go there and take a candid picture of a guy so you can make a thread about how much you dis-prove of his physical appearance and post it on internet forum hoping to get similar reactions from others so you can feel good about yourself.
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"Blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours shine any brighter".

A quote I like to keep in mind as the internet age brings with it a lot of arm chair critics.

In saying that, I can certainly see why people feel he wouldn't make a good trainer, especially as "Internet gurus", "intagram celebrities" and critics have glorified aesthetics thinking that it represents what fitness actually is, rather than what someone is capable of.

This guy may very well be unfit, unhealthy and he may not even exercise at all - but we can't base that off one picture. Thats an assumption based off a how we perceive leanness and fatness.

Some of the smartest S&C coaches I have met are not hulking giants - but their abilities are phenomenonal. Thats not to say this guy is knowledgeable or not, its just to say that we cannot know anything based on one picture
 
T-Bone said:
Here's a tip for ya. If you don't like Planet Fitness, then don't go to Planet Fitness and make fun of people because they don't live up to your self-prescribed standards of "fitness"......Certainly don't go there and take a candid picture of a guy so you can make a thread about how much you dis-prove of his physical appearance and post it on internet forum hoping to get similar reactions from others so you can feel good about yourself.
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You must be talking to me as I am the one that started this thread. The mistake I made was that I should have only ranted about his arrogance attitude, not the way he looks. It took me reading 3 pages of this thread to figure out that I am part of the problem and I didn't even know it. My rant should have been "If you were/are a newbie, would you you train with a trainer that is an arrogant ahole?"

"To trainer,

I apologize for taking a pic of you and talked pooped on a forum while I am behind a keyboard, but I am not sorry for talking poop about your degrading arrogant attitude."


(I will not go up to him show him this thread and then say I am sorry. I don't think that would do any good)

The only issues I have with planet fitness is that they have limited assortment of equip. Mostly older and mostly for cardio. They don't have the type of equip that I'd like to use.
 
datsthat said:
Good idea. I'll leave this thread alive but will remove pic once I get to a computer.
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What would be the point. Nobody would be able to comment on the trainer without having a visual representation.

You mine as well shut down the thread, OP.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm all for keeping it alive.
 
123abcabcabc said:
What would be the point. Nobody would be able to comment on the trainer without having a visual representation.

You mine as well shut down the thread, OP.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm all for keeping it alive.
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Point is karma. I wouldn't want someone taking a pic of me without my consent (especially if I am not flexing) and putting on the web.
 
datsthat said:
Point is karma. I wouldn't want someone taking a pic of me without my consent (especially if I am not flexing) and putting on the web.
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To be quite honest, people in this thread have taken this too serious. The insecurity is definetly brewing if people feel so compelled to justify ethics.
 
123abcabcabc said:
To be quite honest, people in this thread have taken this too serious. The insecurity is definetly brewing if people feel so compelled to justify ethics.
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This is what a forum is for though...to discuss, debate, share, criticize etc.
 
I agree this thread needs to be deleted. It's not educational in any way. And it is not being taken too seriously. Physical appearance does not reliably convey knowledge or ability, we all know that now. But what happens if that person or someone in a similar stuation decides it time to make a change and comes to AM seeking knowledge and sees this thread? How many noobs looking to make a change would leave if they read this thread. I know I would. Internet anonymity does not excuse disrespect for individuals. Intent does not trump appearances. I vote to delete it and move on. AM is a positive influence on my life. Let's keep it that way. Sermon over. Thanks:)
 
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