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Epicatechin??? Still good or considered bunk now

To help out our EPICAT Max is about to be released and has 250mg epicatechin per serving which is higher than most if not all others.
 
PRIMEVALVP said:
To help out our EPICAT Max is about to be released and has 250mg epicatechin per serving which is higher than most if not all others.
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Cough Epi plex cough
 
regdabyenoh said:
CEL's Epi is the one I'm thinking about trying because its not a prop blend. I like to know the dosage I'm getting.
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And it has piperine as bio/abs booster.
Would not recommend Epiplex with Viagra lol. It can make it 2.5 times stronger
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Do they last longer than 4 hours?
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Believe me, they do!!!
I took 100mg for fun. (Never had any libido issues).
My chest and my face was red and I felt like I was in Sahara. So warm!

Then I felt some how dizzy and really some kind of "high" lol.. that feeling lastet MANY hours ! I forgot I was on Epiplex (4 caps daily). That means 80mg piperine . Studies are done on 5-20mg bioperine and the effect on the CYP4A4 and other enzymes.
Lol
 
Danes said:
Believe me, they do!!!
I took 100mg for fun. (Never had any libido issues).
My chest and my face was red and I felt like I was in Sahara. So warm!

Then I felt some how dizzy and really some kind of "high" lol.. that feeling lastet MANY hours ! I forgot I was on Epiplex (4 caps daily). That means 80mg piperine . Studies are done on 5-20mg bioperine and the effect on the CYP4A4 and other enzymes.
Lol
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lol!!!:evil:
 
Competitive Edge Labs makes an epic product. I'm sorry but CEL doesn't mess around with bogus products from what I've seen. If they become interested in a product it's because it works. They remind me of PES and SNS as far as honesty and loyalty is concerned
 
Just started wicked supplements epic gainz, 350mg of 97% Epicatechin per serving. I've noticed increased endurance and recovery, nothing too crazy though. I do like taking it because of the absorption matrix it has in my opinion drastically increases the absorption of other supplements.
 
I don't know whether its placebo but i seem to be recovering a little faster, almost certain though placebo is pushing wayy past the pain barrier, getting those few extra reps in agony XD
 
I find that epicatechin lets me push through my workouts in ways I couldn't without it. The endurance boost I get is like nothing else and because I lift after work at 6:30 p.m. I'm not amped up on too many stimulants so that epicatechin serves as a great pre workout boost. More efficient workouts equals more gains for me so I personally don't think epicatechin is bunk
 
emiliozapata said:
not surprising- try eating 3-4 tins of sardines in water daily and let me know what you "feel" after a month
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dude, I have been following your posts for a number of years, you are always outside the box....but you can't just post this with no follow up, I want to hear more!!!!
 
Tried follidrone. Took a while to kick in but I feel I began to notice some marked endurance effects after two weeks. Bought a bottle of epi-plex. 2 a day didn't notice anything but it really shone on 3x pre work out. Got some EU and have to say I was expecting to be blown away based on reviews but has been disappointing for me so far. Just upped to x3 a day but still not doing it for me!
 
ucheoma said:
Tried follidrone. Took a while to kick in but I feel I began to notice some marked endurance effects after two weeks. Bought a bottle of epi-plex. 2 a day didn't notice anything but it really shone on 3x pre work out. Got some EU and have to say I was expecting to be blown away based on reviews but has been disappointing for me so far. Just upped to x3 a day but still not doing it for me!
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It has something to do with the dose.
More epicatechin = better results. It worked that way for me, my friends and many people I told to increase the dose
 
Danes said:
It has something to do with the dose.
More epicatechin = better results. It worked that way for me, my friends and many people I told to increase the dose
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I agree. I think dose is just as important as delivery mechanisms when it comes to epicatechin.
 
ucheoma said:
I agree. I think dose is just as important as delivery mechanisms when it comes to epicatechin.
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Exactly!!

We are talking about 4 different main keys here:
1. The quality of Epicatechin
2. The dose
3. Good bioavailability/absorption enhancers
4. VERY important to take Epicatechin on empty stomach.

All of those are very important!
 
Danes said:
Exactly!!

We are talking about 4 different main keys here:
1. The quality of Epicatechin
2. The dose
3. Good bioavailability/absorption enhancers
4. VERY important to take Epicatechin on empty stomach.

All of those are very important!
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yes, but the price point of epi is too damned high to be double dosing or even higher....many cheaper/more effective options available, imo.

if I want pumps, agmatine an l-citrulline are much cheaper options and work better than epi-for me!!!!

you guys need to look at cordyceps!!! this increased my endurance a lot more than epi.
 
thebigt said:
yes, but the price point of epi is too damned high to be double dosing or even higher....many cheaper/more effective options available, imo.

if I want pumps, agmatine an l-citrulline are much cheaper options and work better than epi-for me!!!!

you guys need to look at cordyceps!!! this increased my endurance a lot more than epi.
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Exactly and 120% agree.
It would be damn lie if I said high dose of Epi didnt gave me better pumps and endurance, but it would be also big lie if I said it was the best pump and endurance I have experienced from a supplement.
So yes, there are MUCH cheaper ingredients which works better than Epicatechin
 
Danes said:
Exactly and 120% agree.
It would be damn lie if I said high dose of Epi didnt gave me better pumps and endurance, but it would be also big lie if I said it was the best pump and endurance I have experienced from a supplement.
So yes, there are MUCH cheaper ingredients which works better than Epicatechin
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I do not understand the hype!!! it is WAY to expensive for what it did for me, I would NEVER buy again!!!!
 
Danes said:
Exactly and 120% agree.
It would be damn lie if I said high dose of Epi didnt gave me better pumps and endurance, but it would be also big lie if I said it was the best pump and endurance I have experienced from a supplement.
So yes, there are MUCH cheaper ingredients which works better than Epicatechin
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If its everything but a great natural anabolic then why do you think people are experiencing greater body composition while on epicatechin or at least specifically EU?
 
CJNator said:
If its everything but a great natural anabolic then why do you think people are experiencing greater body composition while on epicatechin or at least specifically EU?
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see post #84
 
thebigt said:
see post #84
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Lol no sure how I missed that, well follow if question; Follidrone didnt work for me at all but EU did, I assume this is due to hyping the absorption? I was thinking maybe the high endurance from EU plus high volume/intensity training and diet would be a huge due to more volume including higher intensity. Thoughts?
 
CJNator said:
Lol no sure how I missed that, well follow if question; Follidrone didnt work for me at all but EU did, I assume this is due to hyping the absorption? I was thinking maybe the high endurance from EU plus high volume/intensity training and diet would be a huge due to more volume including higher intensity. Thoughts?
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how much increase in endurance did you get? I get more endurance from cordyceps at a much cheaper price.

of course, I admit I have never tried EU...but imo, all epi products are way overpriced for the results they give, much better options out there-for me at least!!!!
 
thebigt said:
how much increase in endurance did you get? I get more endurance from cordyceps at a much cheaper price.

of course, I admit I have never tried EU...but imo, all epi products are way overpriced for the results they give, much better options out there-for me at least!!!!
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Well in one gym session at the time I hit 2 PRs and in another gym session I hit 4 plates on DL after a night shift while fasted. Closest thing to endurance for me was Ostarine. Also at the time I was cutting but my diet was off and I gained 4lbs in a month with minimal fat gain.
 
CJNator said:
Well in one gym session at the time I hit 2 PRs and in another gym session I hit 4 plates on DL after a night shift while fasted. Closest thing to endurance for me was Ostarine. Also at the time I was cutting but my diet was off and I gained 4lbs in a month with minimal fat gain.
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damn...I am running ostarine AND epi-andro and haven't had those results....

see post #84
 
thebigt said:
damn...I am running ostarine AND epi-andro and haven't had those results....

see post #84
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Some results seem to top even AAS

Although placebo is remarkable as well; In one study they fooled people they were using steroids when it was just placebo and they actually experienced measurable and significant strength increases.
 
I dont want to be rude or anythingbut I have seen a lot of funny placebo examples.
I swear I dont lie when I give you those examples:

- one of my friends asked me about my Ajuga Turkestanica Tabs from ICPS . What those caps are (I had them In a BCAA box).
I told my friend it was most potent Ephedrine. He asked me to try one (because he love stims).
He took one and after 10 mins. Do you know what he said ?
"WOOOW, this **** is kicking so f.... hard".
When I told him EXACTLY what those caps was. Do you think he believed me? Nope! He still thought those tabs was Ephedrine.
It is amazing effect of placebo !!

So, here is a another example:
One of my friends asked me if I could fix him some oral steroid. He wanted to run just one oral.i tried to explain him about the sides, how stupid idea it is++++ (even scare him.from it)but nothing helped. He told me he would get from other If I didnt wanted to help him. Then I said ok. I will do it. I bought white B vitamin complex tabs . I told him those caps would work best if he follow a good diet and workout routine (staying away from alcohol +++). I helped him with a diet,workout routine and he was ready..
After 6 weeks on "roids"he gained near 17LBS. Yes you read right.
Did he gain 17lbs due to B complex, ofcourse not! He trained his ass off, was eating BIG (more than he needed), was avoiding parties and slept good. So this combination made him grow. I gave him money back and told him exactly what he was taking ! After that, he understood how important food, workout routine and rest are!

One more example.
One of my friend wanted anavar because he wanted it..he has been reading it is safe and could help him with strength gains.
(This guy has been working out 5 years).
I gave him D vit tabs and after just 10 days he crushed some PR! after one month his strength improved pretty good. Is it due to D vit? Hell no! He pushed him self more each day because he "knew"he was on something that could help him. He increased strength without changing diet. The power of of brain !.

I have seen sick placebo effects around on different supps and people are believing its due to the product. Yes it is due to the product. Not because the ingredients are working but because due to different thinking, workout and diet changes.
 
Jiigzz said:
Some results seem to top even AAS

Although placebo is remarkable as well; In one study they fooled people they were using steroids when it was just placebo and they actually experienced measurable and significant strength increases.
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Agree!!
 
CJNator said:
Lol no sure how I missed that, well follow if question; Follidrone didnt work for me at all but EU did, I assume this is due to hyping the absorption? I was thinking maybe the high endurance from EU plus high volume/intensity training and diet would be a huge due to more volume including higher intensity.Thoughts?
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You answered self :)
 
Danes said:
I dont want to be rude or anythingbut I have seen a lot of funny placebo examples.
I swear I dont lie when I give you those examples:

- one of my friends asked me about my Ajuga Turkestanica Tabs from ICPS . What those caps are (I had them In a BCAA box).
I told my friend it was most potent Ephedrine. He asked me to try one (because he love stims).
He took one and after 10 mins. Do you know what he said ?
"WOOOW, this **** is kicking so f.... hard".
When I told him EXACTLY what those caps was. Do you think he believed me? Nope! He still thought those tabs was Ephedrine.
It is amazing effect of placebo !!

So, here is a another example:
One of my friends asked me if I could fix him some oral steroid. He wanted to run just one oral.i tried to explain him about the sides, how stupid idea it is++++ (even scare him.from it)but nothing helped. He told me he would get from other If I didnt wanted to help him. Then I said ok. I will do it. I bought white B vitamin complex tabs . I told him those caps would work best if he follow a good diet and workout routine (staying away from alcohol +++). I helped him with a diet,workout routine and he was ready..
After 6 weeks on "roids"he gained near 17LBS. Yes you read right.
Did he gain 17lbs due to B complex, ofcourse not! He trained his ass off, was eating BIG (more than he needed), was avoiding parties and slept good. So this combination made him grow. I gave him money back and told him exactly what he was taking ! After that, he understood how important food, workout routine and rest are!

One more example.
One of my friend wanted anavar because he wanted it..he has been reading it is safe and could help him with strength gains.
(This guy has been working out 5 years).
I gave him D vit tabs and after just 10 days he crushed some PR! after one month his strength improved pretty good. Is it due to D vit? Hell no! He pushed him self more each day because he "knew"he was on something that could help him. He increased strength without changing diet. The power of of brain !.

I have seen sick placebo effects around on different supps and people are believing its due to the product. Yes it is due to the product. Not because the ingredients are working but because due to different thinking, workout and diet changes.
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I highly believe in the placebo effect. I've read crazy things outside lifting like one person had cancer but if I remember correctly either the person fought it or it just went away. Then the doctor told the person it was back and he had 2 weeks to live then the person died a week later. Also vice versa, some had some disease and went into a religion fountain or something believing they were going to be healed and well....they were healed! I agree the brain is one powerful organ lol! Making gainz and saving lives!
 
CJNator said:
I highly believe in the placebo effect. I've read crazy things outside lifting like one person had cancer but if I remember correctly either the person fought it or it just went away. Then the doctor told the person it was back and he had 2 weeks to live then the person died a week later. Also vice versa, some had some disease and went into a religion fountain or something believing they were going to be healed and well....they were healed! I agree the brain is one powerful organ lol! Making gainz and saving lives!
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The power of the mind
 
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