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ECA stack?

Primatene mist pills.
Baby aspirin.
Caffeine pills.
 
The aspirin isn't needed. You just need ephedrine and caffeine. Cheapest/most effective is Bonkaid and caffeine tabs. 25mg ephedrine from the bronkaid, 200mg caffeine from a tab. Time to get shredded!
 
Just curious... Does the guaifenesin cause any issues with doing this? Also, what's the suggested dosing daily?
 
halljo said:
Just curious... Does the guaifenesin cause any issues with doing this? Also, what's the suggested dosing daily?
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nope, no issues at all. i actually feel like it helps me keep my breath while doing cardio, but it may be plaebo. Start with one dose per day (25mg eph. and 200mg caffeine) for a few days. You can work up to 3 doses per day spaced out 4-5 hours apart, but don't exceed 75mg ephedrine a day. Also, don't take ephedrine too late in the evening, you'll have a hard time sleeping.
 
Chrisko said:
Title pretty much sums it up. Can anyone recommend a good ECA stack?
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This is what I use, and we have it on sale again right now. ECA+yohimbe. 1 cap/serving. Absolutely works better IMO if you can stand the heat.

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ORBITV2 for 10% off at checkout.

If you don't like yohimbe, bronkaid and caff tabs w baby aspirin. But if you can tolerate it and you're serious yohimbe is a powerful addition.
 
Also, if you've never tried it you can get cheap straight capped yohimbe and add it your ECA stack to try it. But the methyldrene is 1 cap and done if you know you like it already.
 
Thank you for all of the responses. It is not for me, I am inquiring for my wife. The strongest fat loss combo she has ever taken was the old usp labs fat burner. Before that it was a gaspari brand. Trying to look into things without diving into clen. I have also thought of osta but not too sure about that.
 
Chrisko said:
Thank you for all of the responses. It is not for me, I am inquiring for my wife. The strongest fat loss combo she has ever taken was the old usp labs fat burner. Before that it was a gaspari brand. Trying to look into things without diving into clen. I have also thought of osta but not too sure about that.
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There are steps to take before clen or anything like a SARM.

Its almost best she join here a day snd voice her concerns or ask for tips for her diet/training and make sure that is optimal too. Fantastic crowd here, very helpful and I could tag some ladies in too.

ECA is a good option IMO. The above suggestions for dosing are correct as well.

Feel free for you/her to pm any time as well
 
Hyde said:
This is what I use, and we have it on sale again right now. ECA+yohimbe. 1 cap/serving. Absolutely works better IMO if you can stand the heat.

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If you don't like yohimbe, bronkaid and caff tabs w baby aspirin. But if you can tolerate it and you're serious yohimbe is a powerful addition.
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That "Ephedrine" in that product is fake (well, it's a real compound, just Nevadensis a.k.a Mormon Tea - NOT Ephedra Sinica a.k.a Ma Huang, so it's worthless for fat loss). The other stuff may work, but that Ephedrine in there, is for marketing only. It would be illegal to sell as a dietary supplement in the US, if it had 'real' Ephedra (Sinica) in there. More supp company BS. Use Primatene or Bronkaid or get a PO Box in Canada :)
 
john.patterson said:
nope, no issues at all. i actually feel like it helps me keep my breath while doing cardio, but it may be plaebo. Start with one dose per day (25mg eph. and 200mg caffeine) for a few days. You can work up to 3 doses per day spaced out 4-5 hours apart, but don't exceed 75mg ephedrine a day. Also, don't take ephedrine too late in the evening, you'll have a hard time sleeping.
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Appreciate the info! Thanks
 
I like bronkaid over Primatene, but bronkaid is getting very hard to find here where I live[Indiana]. I agree yohimbe is a great addition if you can tolerate it....yes you should take at least 1 baby aspirin daily when using eca stack, it isn't called ecA for nothing.

btw-cooper agrees with taking the baby aspirin, something about blood platelets sticking or something like that-at any rate take the dammed baby aspirin, what could it hurt!!!
 
Bronkaid gave me anxiety but Primatene didn't. I had to keep breaking it in half until I just said F it.
 
puccah8808 said:
Bronkaid gave me anxiety but Primatene didn't. I had to keep breaking it in half until I just said F it.
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I can understand that...I don't get as much energy from Primatene as I do bronkaid, which is why I like bronkaid better.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
That "Ephedrine" in that product is fake (well, it's a real compound, just Nevadensis a.k.a Mormon Tea - NOT Ephedra Sinica a.k.a Ma Huang, so it's worthless for fat loss). The other stuff may work, but that Ephedrine in there, is for marketing only. It would be illegal to sell as a dietary supplement in the US, if it had 'real' Ephedra (Sinica) in there. More supp company BS. Use Primatene or Bronkaid or get a PO Box in Canada :)
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Yes, this is true - I'm sorry if it seemed misleading; I (wrongly) assumed it was understood ephedrine is banned for sale as a supplement. Ephedra (aka pseudo ephedrine) is legal and comes from the same plant. It's about 1/3 potency as ephedrine, which is why it is typically dosed all the way up to 120-140mg/day at the top end. Lots of products contain the ephedra and it does work, and is cheap and convenient. If you can get Bronkaid, I would still use that, however.

Methyldrene 25 only has 25mg/cap, so it's bottom of the barrel on dosing ephedra, but I swear the overall combo truly works for me in conjunction w a deficit diet. A cheap, easy to get option for OP to consider.

There are much higher-doses ephedra supps around - Hellfire was very popular in my area when it hit, and the ephedra dose is huge. Not a beginner product. I've known individuals to compare it to cocaine in terms of energy. Not something I'm interested in trying (either of the 2!) but it's cheap and legally available here. If you dose ephedra enough it will rival ephedrine, with comparable sides.
 
Not sure i really understand the op questions completely. I am pretty sure ppl have already answered this also.

Eca stack is a pretty strait forward thing. Its not a supplement, its three seperate products that you stack together and can be obtained at your local pharmacy.


E - ephedrine (bronkaid or primatene 25mg)
C - caffiene (200 mg is the usual place to start)
A - asprin (81mg baby asprin)

I always went with bronkaid. I take one bronkaid, one caffiene tab and one baby asprin. Done.


People like to say to leave the asprin out, but why try to rework something that is time tested and works. No need to make it any better, its the best your going to get in regards to otc.
 
john.patterson said:
The aspirin isn't needed. You just need ephedrine and caffeine. Cheapest/most effective is Bonkaid and caffeine tabs. 25mg ephedrine from the bronkaid, 200mg caffeine from a tab. Time to get shredded!
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You may not "need" aspirin but baby aspirin is beneficial, especially in conjunction with EC.
 
Than you for all of your responses. I probably once again was not specific enough. Probably due to a lack of sleep because of graveyard shift at work. It sucks.

I am well aware of what actually consists of an ECA stack. Ephedra caffeine and aspirin. When I am asking for a good ECA stack I am referring to an ephedra resource: ex. Bronkaid. I am wondering how each source of it treated them especially since most have other chemicals or additions in them.

Also j was also told that the aspirin helps with any clotting potentials from the other ingredients in the stack. Three ingredients combined are supposed to work synergistically, hence why ou should take all three.
 
Also what is generally the recommended length of taking the stack? Since it would be her first time taking it I would much rather her dose it once per day. I would imagine that the body would eventually become accustomed to the stack.
 
Hyde said:
Ephedra (aka pseudo ephedrine) is legal and comes from the same plant. It's about 1/3 potency as ephedrine, which is why it is typically dosed all the way up to 120-140mg/day at the top end. Lots of products contain the ephedra and it does work, and is cheap and convenient. If you can get Bronkaid, I would still use that, however.
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National Institute of Health page on Ephedrine, with further links to PubMed RE: Nevadensis: h t t p s : / / ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/EphedraandEphedrine-HealthProfessional/#en10

Alkaloid content and composition vary by species and growth conditions [5-7]; total alkaloid content can vary from 0.5% to 2.3%. Ephedrine, the most potent alkaloid, can account for up to 90% of the total alkaloid content and pseudoephedrine can account for up to 27% [3,8,9]. The pharmacologic activity of an ephedra sample depends on its alkaloid composition. North American ephedra species, such as E. nevadensis (known as Mormon tea), contain little or no ephedrine or other alkaloids [10].

10. Caveney S, Charlet DA, Freitag H, Maier-Stolte M, Starratt AN: New observations on the secondary chemistry of world Ephedra (Ephedraceae). American Journal of Botany 88:1199-1208, 2001.

ww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11454619?dopt=Abstract
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Driven2lift said:
There are steps to take before clen or anything like a SARM.

Its almost best she join here a day snd voice her concerns or ask for tips for her diet/training and make sure that is optimal too. Fantastic crowd here, very helpful and I could tag some ladies in too.

ECA is a good option IMO. The above suggestions for dosing are correct as well.

Feel free for you/her to pm any time as well
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Thank you. There is, for the most part, a decent crowd here and a lot of knowledgeable people. I have come here several times asking for help, suggestions, and insight. Her diet is pretty much on point as is mine and I had helped her out quite a bit.

We both know that both of our diets are going to take somewhat of a backseat for some time(nothing too crazy) due to football season and the holidays but I am generally bulking during that time anyway. We love to have fit and healthy lifestyles but we also want to enjoy life too so we are not competitive strict with our diets at all times.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
National Institute of Health page on Ephedrine, with further links to PubMed RE: Nevadensis: h t t p s : / / ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/EphedraandEphedrine-HealthProfessional/#en10
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Interesting. I was under the impression pseudoephedrine was a synonym for ephedra. This is good to know!

And you can see I was on point w dosing 3x as much (27% alkaloids vs 90%). Either way I've used the product and it's honestly helpful, but good to know I can stack Walphed w it at the doses I stated. I like that a lot as well, but you have to take a couple.
 
Hyde said:
Interesting. I was under the impression pseudoephedrine was a synonym for ephedra. This is good to know!

And you can see I was on point w dosing 3x as much (27% alkaloids vs 90%). Either way I've used the product and it's honestly helpful, but good to know I can stack Walphed w it at the doses I stated. I like that a lot as well, but you have to take a couple.
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You missed the part where Nevadensis doesn't contain much of anything.

North American ephedra species, such as E. nevadensis (known as Mormon tea), contain little or no ephedrine or other alkaloids.
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Come on, it doesn't even pass the common sense test:

1. That a "Ban Happy" US government some how missed the fact that a cattle grazing plant (those must be some damn lean cows, deer, and sheep!) from the Southwest did the same thing as a Chinese plant...if you just used a little more.

2. Not one main stream supplement company is using Nevadensis in it's most profitable category - Fat Burners. No 'Ripped Fuel II' or 'Xenadrene II' containing Nevadensis. Nope, only 3rd tier companies very few have even heard of.

Ephedra Nevadensis is a useless compound for fat loss, I'd personally stay away from any company that uses it - they're scamming you, IMO.
 
Hyde said:
Interesting. I was under the impression pseudoephedrine was a synonym for ephedra. This is good to know!

And you can see I was on point w dosing 3x as much (27% alkaloids vs 90%). Either way I've used the product and it's honestly helpful, but good to know I can stack Walphed w it at the doses I stated. I like that a lot as well, but you have to take a couple.
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pseudoephedrine is what is in sinus meds like Sudafed-it gives crazy energy if you take double rec dose, but I don't think it will do much for fat loss.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
You missed the part where Nevadensis doesn't contain much of anything.
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No, I didn't - YOU read my post too fast. I said that PSEUDOEPHEDRINE is to be dosed up to 3x that of ephedrine. This is in line with your post stating that pseudoephedrine had ~27% alkaloid content compared to ephedrine's 90%.

As in Sudafed is a legal cheap alternative if you can't get ephedrine.

This isn't a battle. It's a convo about options for the op.
 
thebigt said:
pseudoephedrine is what is in sinus meds like Sudafed-it gives crazy energy if you take double rec dose, but I don't think it will do much for fat loss.
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This is what I was saying. And from what I've read, it will. It's a stim. Caffeine will increase fat loss solo after all, all other things constant.
 
Hyde said:
No, I didn't - YOU read my post too fast. I said that PSEUDOEPHEDRINE is to be dosed up to 3x that of ephedrine. This is in line with your post stating that pseudoephedrine had ~27% alkaloid content compared to ephedrine's 90%.

This isn't a battle. It's a convo about options for the op.
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The Chinese botanical ephedra, or ma-huang, is sold as a dietary supplement in the United States. Ephedra is the common name for three principal species: Ephedra sinica, Ephedra equisentina, and Ephedra intermedia [2]. The active compounds in the plant's stem (about 1.32% by weight) are the phenylalanine-derived alkaloids ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, phenylpropanolamine (norephedrine), and cathine (norpseudoephedrine) [3,4].

Alkaloid content and composition vary by species and growth conditions [5-7]; total alkaloid content can vary from 0.5% to 2.3%. Ephedrine, the most potent alkaloid, can account for up to 90% of the total alkaloid content and pseudo-ephedrine can account for up to 27% [3,8,9]. The pharmacologic activity of an ephedra sample depends on its alkaloid composition. North American ephedra species, such as E. nevadensis (known as Mormon tea), contain little or no ephedrine or other alkaloids [10].
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Those numbers are from Ephedra sinica, Ephedra equisentina, and Ephedra intermedia. Depending on samples of *those* species, yes, you could have 30% pseudoephedrine or 90% ephedrine. None of that ^ applies to the Ephedra Nevadensis used in supplements - it has almost zero alkaloids. I thought you were saying that including E. Nevadensis in a fat burner supplement was a worthwhile addition - if you agree that it is worthless, then I guess we agree :) No battle here, just trying to educate less informed supplement buyers who see EPHEDRA!!!! in a US supplement, and think it will do anything.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Those numbers are from Ephedra sinica, Ephedra equisentina, and Ephedra intermedia. Depending on samples of *those* species, yes, you could have 30% pseudoephedrine or 90% ephedrine. None of that ^ applies to the Ephedra Nevadensis used in supplements - it has almost zero alkaloids. I thought you were saying that including E. Nevadensis in a fat burner supplement was a worthwhile addition - if you agree that it is worthless, then I guess we agree :) No battle here, just trying to educate less informed supplement buyers who see EPHEDRA!!!! in a US supplement, and think it will do anything.
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Correct, and after reading your citation I definitely agree the marketed ephedra in supps would be useless. I'm very glad you posted it!

That doesn't mean the products are worthless as a whole - caff and yohimbe has a good bite on its own. Like I said I've actually used and enjoyed that product. But it is a poor marketing tactic indeed! It duped me. I will be using Sudafed as my base from now on in a stack in conjunction w caff baby aspirin and a pinch of yohimbe.
 
No, of course not - a lot of the other ingredients are great - I love Yohimbine at .2mg/Kg, etc... My beef is with prop blends or BS marketing a.k.a. "As close to lying as you can get, without technically lying".
 
Chrisko said:
Than you for all of your responses. I probably once again was not specific enough. Probably due to a lack of sleep because of graveyard shift at work. It sucks.

I am well aware of what actually consists of an ECA stack. Ephedra caffeine and aspirin. When I am asking for a good ECA stack I am referring to an ephedra resource: ex. Bronkaid. I am wondering how each source of it treated them especially since most have other chemicals or additions in them.

Also j was also told that the aspirin helps with any clotting potentials from the other ingredients in the stack. Three ingredients combined are supposed to work synergistically, hence why ou should take all three.
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I do bronkaid. Hasnt done me wrong yet.
 
For anyone passing through was at Walgreens yesterday here in IL and picked up their Primatene knockoff for the HCL. They carry Bronkaid as well.
thebigt depending on how close you are to the border might be useful
 
Hyde said:
For anyone passing through was at Walgreens yesterday here in IL and picked up their Primatene knockoff for the HCL. They carry Bronkaid as well.
thebigt depending on how close you are to the border might be useful
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thanks...Indiana is notorious for meth labs....for some reason Primatene is readily available but bronkaid is getting harder and harder to find....AND YES, terre haute is only 20 miles to marshall Illinois, will have to try there-thanks!!!!
 
Chrisko said:
Title pretty much sums it up. Can anyone recommend a good ECA stack?
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kaizen ephedrine 8mg take 2-5 day
avrg caff pill 100-200mg ed
baby aspirin ed

i only every use 1-2 eph now but im sensitive to stims. works for me though : ) and love that brand
 
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