ATP question

halljo

halljo

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I have read through many different articles and studies and looked through many forum's about ATP to figure out if it's good or bunk. Unfortunately, all I've read through just makes it that much more confusing. I was leaning towards an HMB + Creatine combo but thought about adding ATP due to some small studies showing a pretty decent increase in muscle mass.
Anyways, is ATP crap or is it worth a try. Looking for your thoughts on it.
 
halljo said:
I have read through many different articles and studies and looked through many forum's about ATP to figure out if it's good or bunk. Unfortunately, all I've read through just makes it that much more confusing. I was leaning towards an HMB + Creatine combo but thought about adding ATP due to some small studies showing a pretty decent increase in muscle mass.
Anyways, is ATP crap or is it worth a try. Looking for your thoughts on it.
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ATP as in adenosine triphosphate, or is that an abbreviation for another supplement?

If it's the ATP I'm thinking of, then creatine will do what you're looking for, since it pulls phosphate groups into the muscle in order to replenish ATP from ADP/AMP faster.

As far as I know, straight ATP isn't sold in supplement form.
 
JXiiXViii said:
ATP as in adenosine triphosphate, or is that an abbreviation for another supplement?

If it's the ATP I'm thinking of, then creatine will do what you're looking for, since it pulls phosphate groups into the muscle in order to replenish ATP from ADP/AMP faster.

As far as I know, straight ATP isn't sold in supplement form.
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Yes it is. Peak ATP.
 
ma70 said:
Yes it is. Peak ATP.
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Ah ok. Never heard of it until now.

Even so, I'm wondering how well supplemental ATP would hold up in the body before actually making it into the muscle cells. Here's a pretty good article I just found that mentions it as well: Invalid Link Removed

"Probably the reason for a less than huge improvement to strength and endurance is because ATP breaks down rapidly outside of your cells. It degrades into adenosine which has some of the same blood-flow promoting effects and could theoretically account for the improvement in performance all by itself."

Furthermore, creatine mono is cheap enough and has been proven to work for years, so I feel like why spend the extra money on something like Peak ATP, which is so far unproven?
 
Gutterpump said:
I've actually only heard of it in injectable form. Does it do much orally?
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Yeah that's what I originally thought too. That's why I figured the supplemental form would be bunk - kinda like supplemental test boosters. Sure you might get a slight boost above normal, but it's nothing like the real thing.
 
Well, there's a Peak ATP study from the University of Tampa (for MT's Plasma Muscle), and it's also used in EvoMuse MyoSynergy/Elite. I figured if dsade uses it in a product, and it's got SOME studies behind it, it is legit.
 
Ahhh actually I remember using an ATP product now when I was a rep for MST. I tried out their Peak Elite, was a great non-stim pre-workout ATP supplement. Used it only a couple of times so I had completely forgotten even using it.

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Well it seems that a lot of people use ATP if they have a Thyroid issues. It somehow helps with Iodine. Does anyone understand how ATP actually works? I initially thought it helped with muscle endurance/time under tension, but it working via the thyroid has me a little confused
 
Gutterpump said:
Ahhh actually I remember using an ATP product now when I was a rep for MST. I tried out their Peak Elite, was a great non-stim pre-workout ATP supplement. Used it only a couple of times so I had completely forgotten even using it.

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Beat me to it, man ; )

I logged Peak Elite before becoming a rep and I can honestly say that it helped me recover between sets and with endurance while running. I was skeptical of oral ATP too!
 
yes ... ATP = Adenosine Triphosphate
the best known is the Peak-ATP (the patent), but there are also some supplements that include its precursors, such as TTA Prototype Nutrition (triacetyl form which should improve its absorption) and many more ...
however, the ATP, has a poor oral bioavailability ...
but in any case, is a molecule that if it were well absorbed by the body would work wonders ....
 
jalfrey said:
Beat me to it, man ; )

I logged Peak Elite before becoming a rep and I can honestly say that it helped me recover between sets and with endurance while running. I was skeptical of oral ATP too!
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Hey man congrats on becoming a rep! I got too busy to keep it up on various forums, but MST is a really great company.

I've used injectable ATP and oral ATP. Haven't used the inj type enough to really know the difference. Not a ton of info on it around so I only tried it a few times.
 
Gutterpump said:
Hey man congrats on becoming a rep! I got too busy to keep it up on various forums, but MST is a really great company.

I've used injectable ATP and oral ATP. Haven't used the inj type enough to really know the difference. Not a ton of info on it around so I only tried it a few times.
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Thanks, bro! They are great. I honestly wouldn't have taken the gig if not for my experience with MST's products.
 
halljo said:
Well it seems that a lot of people use ATP if they have a Thyroid issues. It somehow helps with Iodine. Does anyone understand how ATP actually works? I initially thought it helped with muscle endurance/time under tension, but it working via the thyroid has me a little confused
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ATP is just your body's universal energy currency. It's used for literally every biological process that requires energy - not just gym-related stuff. Everything you eat that isn't stored or used to repair things gets converted to ATP to give your body energy.

As for the thyroid issue you mention, the thyroid and it's accompanying hormones are basically what drive your metabolism. So if you have a sluggish thyroid, your metabolic pathways that should be making ATP will also be running slower than they should be, therefore less ATP being made.
 
Oh guys sorry, I was wrong. I wasn't using inj ATP, it's injectable AMP. Adenosine monophosphate. Had a brief lapse there for a moment. I don't think pure injectable ATP is available. Injectable AMP is already strong stuff that you have to be careful with, and pure ATP would be much stronger.
 
JXiiXViii said:
ATP is just your body's universal energy currency. It's used for literally every biological process that requires energy - not just gym-related stuff. Everything you eat that isn't stored or used to repair things gets converted to ATP to give your body energy.

As for the thyroid issue you mention, the thyroid and it's accompanying hormones are basically what drive your metabolism. So if you have a sluggish thyroid, your metabolic pathways that should be making ATP will also be running slower than they should be, therefore less ATP being made.
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After I read your post, I immediately felt like an idiot. For some reason I wasn't connecting the dots on ATP = energy currency. Thanks!
 
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