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youngandfree said:
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Costs are still going up, not down.
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Again, your forgetting some important point. I don't even look this stuff up. Don't you really want to know a issue before you choose a side of the issue.

They've been going down, but yes, some say it could go back up. But do you know what they were doing before Obamacare. That's right, rising, and fast. Is disingenuous to just point out they are going up.

And I'd like to point out, it wouldn't be as bad if every Republican governor hadn't refused Medicaid money.

Part of the reason cost were supposed to go down was because of everyone having insurance.

Because hospitals didn't have millions of unpaid bills, they wouldn't pass that cost to insurance companies, and on to consumers.

But guess what, Obamacare is a right wing plan, a,ways was.

Progressives want single payer, and insurance rates couldn't go up that way.

Nations with single payer pay way less than we do.
 
New_Jedi said:
Yes, Soros. So what. Never said we didn't have big money backers. But Soros would be hurt by Progressive policies. He is an ideologue. He doesn't pick a candidate and funnel billions into election.

Not to mention Soros has been relatively quit. The Koch. They are oil men. They make billions from the policies conservative champion.

And lobbying, nothing inherently wrong with it.

Using dark money to buy election, and unchecked system of billionaires buying elections, it's exactly the kind of thing we should not want.

I'd like public ally funded election. Each candidate gets a specific amount, no outside donations. Brake many out of politics completely.

But who stands in the way of that, I bet you can guess.
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Soros has gained big under Obama. His net worth skyrocketed thanks to his relationship.
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I'm sure you haven't heard of the Secretary of State project, funded by Soros. It's a state by state project to get libs into the office of Secretary of State, which have ruling authority over each states' elections.
When there is a dispute, or a recount, or multiple recounts, that suddenly change the election outcome, the secretary of state has final say.

Allen West lost after multiple recounts kept turning up boxes of votes. AL Franken was declared winner after 6 mo the of recounts kept turning up new Votes. Those are just 3 off my head.

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youngandfree said:
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Soros has gained big under Obama. His net worth skyrocketed thanks to his relationship.
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I'm sure you haven't heard of the Secretary of State project, funded by Soros. It's a state by state project to get libs into the office of Secretary of State, which have ruling authority over each states' elections.
When there is a dispute, or a recount, or multiple recounts, that suddenly change the election outcome, the secretary of state has final say.

Allen West lost after multiple recounts kept turning up boxes of votes. AL Franken was declared winner after 6 mo the of recounts kept turning up new Votes. Those are just 3 off my head.

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Those are golden. I can't even start to dig into that. Soros isn't getting rich from the American Government. That entire article is nonsense. Soros is a funder, but it's not that clandestine.
 
New_Jedi said:
Again, your forgetting some important point. I don't even look this stuff up. Don't you really want to know a issue before you choose a side of the issue.

They've been going down, but yes, some say it could go back up. But do you know what they were doing before Obamacare. That's right, rising, and fast. Is disingenuous to just point out they are going up.

And I'd like to point out, it wouldn't be as bad if every Republican governor hadn't refused Medicaid money.

Part of the reason cost were supposed to go down was because of everyone having insurance.

Because hospitals didn't have millions of unpaid bills, they wouldn't pass that cost to insurance companies, and on to consumers.

But guess what, Obamacare is a right wing plan, a,ways was.

Progressives want single payer, and insurance rates couldn't go up that way.

Nations with single payer pay way less than we do.
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They're NOT GOING DOWN. What part of this fact don't you want to see? After 2 yeAR's of Obamacare, drugs prices aren't coming down.

Insurance costs wouldnt go down even if more states expanded Medicaid. The Feds subsidizing most of it doesn't mean it costs less as a whole. It means the federal taxpayers are paying for more of it, not the individual. But the cost is still there. It doesn't automatically make it cheaper.
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New_Jedi said:
Those are golden. I can't even start to dig into that. Soros isn't getting rich from the American Government. That entire article is nonsense. Soros is a funder, but it's not that clandestine.
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All you say is everything is nonsense with nothing to back it up. Facts disprove your college taught ideology, and you can't admit you wasted a pile of money on it.
 
youngandfree said:
They're NOT GOING DOWN. What part of this fact don't you want to see? After 2 yeAR's of Obamacare, drugs prices aren't coming down.
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Does it feel good banging your against the wall debating with the wind bag?

He has no idea his point of view has been shaped by the very power structure he refuses to acknowledge. Good propaganda. Just be a string puppet for the establishment. Poor fool.

Your ignorance is bliss for you, but painful to the others you dump this nonsense on. New_Jedi :)
 
New_Jedi said:
You mean academia funds it. Climate Scientist don't side with liberals out of ideological reason, it's because liberals want to take action. Hence why big oil backers like the Koch want to cut off funding to research.

Who has something to gain? Scientist gain nothing for falsifying data.

Big oil gains billions of dollars from the lack of action on climate change.
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Who stands to PROFIT from carbon controls? AL Gore.
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Dma378 said:
Great post. And while I share very much of this sentiment, I do lean or favor to the liberalist progressive side of certain "talking points". Only because I'm a global-warming, evolution believing atheist. So the religious divide between the parties is where I make my distinction. Aside from that and the "moral values" aspect of the parties, I completely agree, they are the same. And the country generally plods along the same course regardless of who is in office. Economy rises and falls, one crisis ends and a new begins, one party is deemed a winner for one battle until the next battle they lose, to no real effect or benefit on the country or world as a whole. Our slavery is in the illusion of freedom.
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Religious belief LOL! I remember my local church blabbing about George W being a devout christian. So he needed to be elected.

Warm blanket of hypocrisy.
 
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Another one on campaign spending g. The top spender in declared giving in 2014 was Tom Steyer who gave $74 to democrats.
 
New_Jedi said:
Name one democrat candidate that is funded by a single billionaire like Republicans have been doing for two cycles now. Bernie Sanders isn't funded by Sheldon Anderson or the Koch brothers.
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We can start with your progressive "war is peace" buddy, lets take a look at big corporate new world order banker owned dictator Obama.

Obbaaammmaaaaa in 2012

No. 1: Jeffrey Katzenberg, 61, Hollywood film producer and chief executive of DreamWorks Animation.

Total: $2.566 million

No. 2: Irwin Jacobs, 78, the founder and former chairman of Qualcomm.

Total: $2.122 million

No. 2: Irwin Jacobs, 78, the founder and former chairman of Qualcomm.

Total: $2.122 million

No. 3 (tie): Jon Stryker, 54, a Michigan philanthropist.

Total: $2.066 million

No. 5: Steve Mostyn, 41, a Houston-based personal injury attorney.

Total: $2.003 million

This is just a start, and only Obama.
 
New_Jedi said:
People can spend their own money, but a functional government, society, and world needs a central authority.

The wealthy have trillions of dollars sitting in banks, etc. why there are millions of poor.

But all these wealthy people, much of that money comes from services the government provides.

Should we police yourself, pick up our own garbage, educate ourselves, build our own armies, etc.

As soon as you dissolve the fed, the another power would fill the vacuum.

So there has to be some revenue source.
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No, you dont want people to spend their money, you want goverment to steal it from you and decide how to spend it for you. Thats is a civil rights violation, man who cant own the fruits of their own labor is a slave.

And yes, people should build their own armies, its called militias. They do exist. You need balance in government and people. The first defense of protection is the individual.

The federal reserve is a private bank...our elected officials cannot even audit it or challenge it. In 2009 after a big fight, they did pass a small audit bill that revealed some 17 trillion dollars secretly sent to overseas banks and institutions after the financial collapse. These banker bailouts all provide to those who reap the poor. Printing money out of thin air taxes the poor to save the rich. Nobody knows how much they print and how much they give out, nobody knows barely anything. Nobody even knows who owns it. Also, we need our currency to have real value, we need to go back to our only currency authorized by the constitution which is the gold and silver standard to help stabilize the value in the long term.

I think you need to at least look at your friend Bernie Sanders for a better understanding the problem of the Federal Reserve





 
youngandfree said:
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Here's another update on how well that Obamacare spending is doing.
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The government lets our vets rot in hospital basements to save money. I dont understand why so many people are naive trust goverment so much to always be there for them when you need it most.

Best health care is in a income tax free society, patient visits doctor pays cash. Patient has more income, doctors reaps all the their deserving rewards of their services, and no cruddy middle man that has nothing to do with a basic checkup pinching the stash. No cruddy government forcing you to pay for services that you dont know you ever need, or have become extremely over priced due to high costs of paying a bureaucracy.
 
New_Jedi said:
You mean academia funds it. Climate Scientist don't side with liberals out of ideological reason, it's because liberals want to take action. Hence why big oil backers like the Koch want to cut off funding to research.

Who has something to gain? Scientist gain nothing for falsifying data.

Big oil gains billions of dollars from the lack of action on climate change.
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Right, "academia" pays for "scientific studies by real scientists."

I restate my position that you got ripped off on all that education. I would be pissed off about it
 
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Anyone who truly believes that either party is interested in helping the common man has their head firmly implanted in the sand.

The parties are one in the same. I hate to say it, but Ax is dead on. ;)
 
youngandfree said:
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Right, "academia" pays for "scientific studies by real scientists."

I restate my position that you got ripped off on all that education. I would be pissed off about it
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Funny thing is, I agree here and I have a career in education for the last 15 years. I have taught HS and College level courses in Art History and U.S. history and half the nonsense in this thread is so disheartening
 
So does anybody know any Donald Trumps policy plans besides making mexico build a wall?

I went to his campaign website, and to my surprise, and probably for the first time every by any candidate I didnt run into any policy proposals.
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I think much of what he rants about is true, but I feel like Im chilling with my drunk uncle at the dinner table when I watch him.
 
ax1 said:
I think much of what he rants about is true, but I feel like Im chilling with my drunk uncle at the dinner table when I watch him.
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Like McCain and his "come here mr poodles....time for your snausages." While Obama was talking about something. Hmm....maybe the winner was already decided years ago.
 
Otheridstaken said:
Does it feel good banging your against the wall debating with the wind bag?

He has no idea his point of view has been shaped by the very power structure he refuses to acknowledge. Good propaganda. Just be a string puppet for the establishment. Poor fool.

Your ignorance is bliss for you, but painful to the others you dump this nonsense on. New_Jedi :)
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Actually, no one said drug prices were going down. It's not the mandate. Two, Obamacare is a conservative healthcare plan. I want a good ole social single payer. Three, propaganda on an anabolic forum thread. Are you serious?
 
AE14 said:
Funny thing is, I agree here and I have a career in education for the last 15 years. I have taught HS and College level courses in Art History and U.S. history and half the nonsense in this thread is so disheartening
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Explains why public education is so bad. If we have teacher that buy into the right wing anti-science line of thought. Big oil is like, "move on, nothing to see here."
 
ax1 said:
No, you dont want people to spend their money, you want goverment to steal it from you and decide how to spend it for you. Thats is a civil rights violation, man who cant own the fruits of their own labor is a slave.

And yes, people should build their own armies, its called militias. They do exist. You need balance in government and people. The first defense of protection is the individual.

The federal reserve is a private bank...our elected officials cannot even audit it or challenge it. In 2009 after a big fight, they did pass a small audit bill that revealed some 17 trillion dollars secretly sent to overseas banks and institutions after the financial collapse. These banker bailouts all provide to those who reap the poor. Printing money out of thin air taxes the poor to save the rich. Nobody knows how much they print and how much they give out, nobody knows barely anything. Nobody even knows who owns it. Also, we need our currency to have real value, we need to go back to our only currency authorized by the constitution which is the gold and silver standard to help stabilize the value in the long term.

I think you need to at least look at your friend Bernie Sanders for a better understanding the problem of the Federal Reserve





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Taxing isn't stealing. Who builds roads, polices, etc. We live in society, we are not a bunch of nomadic tribes who haven't built in thousands of years of stratification.
 
AE14 said:
Funny thing is, I agree here and I have a career in education for the last 15 years. I have taught HS and College level courses in Art History and U.S. history and half the nonsense in this thread is so disheartening
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If you were a teacher in Finland, you'd be paid as much as a lawyer. And you'd have hardly any debt from student loans or have to worry about health issues devastating your pocketbooks.

If our system works so well, why are our children lagging behind the rest of the Western World!

Why are socialist nations full of healthier and happier people!

Try to answer that truthfully.

Fighting Economic inequality doesn't mean ending stratification, it means leveling the playing field some.

There zero need for the top 1% to have so much, while the bottom 50% struggles.

The right wing ideology, they just pass the cost to the middle class.
 
ax1 said:
We can start with your progressive "war is peace" buddy, lets take a look at big corporate new world order banker owned dictator Obama.

Obbaaammmaaaaa in 2012

No. 1: Jeffrey Katzenberg, 61, Hollywood film producer and chief executive of DreamWorks Animation.

Total: $2.566 million

No. 2: Irwin Jacobs, 78, the founder and former chairman of Qualcomm.

Total: $2.122 million

No. 2: Irwin Jacobs, 78, the founder and former chairman of Qualcomm.

Total: $2.122 million

No. 3 (tie): Jon Stryker, 54, a Michigan philanthropist.

Total: $2.066 million

No. 5: Steve Mostyn, 41, a Houston-based personal injury attorney.

Total: $2.003 million

This is just a start, and only Obama.
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Try again! Obama's last election, he spent a billion dollars. And we seen single donors funding entire Republican campaigns. Heck, Trump is funding himself.
 
New_Jedi said:
Actually, no one said drug prices were going down. It's not the mandate. Two, Obamacare is a conservative healthcare plan. I want a good ole social single payer. Three, propaganda on an anabolic forum thread. Are you serious?
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Hmm....I call troll on you. There is no way you can be so dense and not be aware of it.
 
Otheridstaken said:
Hmm....I call troll on you. There is no way you can be so dense and not be aware of it.
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Oh, how basic is that. Try offering evidence instead of forum platitudes. Some of you are so out of your depth, that all you have is insults. At least the other guy offers right wing talking points.
 
New_Jedi said:
Oh, how basic is that. Try offering evidence instead of forum platitudes. Some of you are so out of your depth, that all you have is insults. At least the other guy offers right wing talking points.
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Where's your evidence of a single republican donor financing a single candidate's campaign? Or that republicans were blocking the Civil Rights Act like you claimed.
 
New_Jedi said:
Explains why public education is so bad. If we have teacher that buy into the right wing anti-science line of thought. Big oil is like, "move on, nothing to see here."
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And teachers buying into the left wing pro war, pro-police state, anti-Bill of Rights, big corporate tyrannical line of thought is good? Big Alternative Energy is like "move on, nothing to see here."

Left and Right both have their own political agenda when it comes to education, and they are barely any different from one another.

New_Jedi said:
Taxing isn't stealing. Who builds roads, polices, etc. We live in society, we are not a bunch of nomadic tribes who haven't built in thousands of years of stratification.
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Taxing the fruits of people labor is stealing...thats why they take it from you and if you dont comply people with guns show up at your door and put you behind bars. Its stealing, stop making up your own definition of what stealing is. How about I take your money and I tell you whats best for you to spend it on? (disclaimer, not a threat, lol just making a point.)

You dont need goverment to build roads. Who built the NYC subway system, a modern marvel for its time? Not goverment, but a private corporation. It wasnt until decades later that goverment took it over because the private company wanted to double the fare from 5 cents to 10 cents and liberal fascist goverment said that couldn't happen, so they took it and then raised the price anyways.

There are other types of taxes by the way, you dont need to bully people into submission and steal their money they work so hard for.

If taking peoples money by the barrel of the gun isnt stealing, than dropping nuclear weapons on a country isnt war.

New_Jedi said:
If you were a teacher in Finland, you'd be paid as much as a lawyer. And you'd have hardly any debt from student loans or have to worry about health issues devastating your pocketbooks.

If our system works so well, why are our children lagging behind the rest of the Western World!

Why are socialist nations full of healthier and happier people!

Try to answer that truthfully.

Fighting Economic inequality doesn't mean ending stratification, it means leveling the playing field some.

There zero need for the top 1% to have so much, while the bottom 50% struggles.

The right wing ideology, they just pass the cost to the middle class.
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The reason we are lagging behind in the western world is because of both Republican and Democrat support for the Department of Education. Teachers can get a raise simply by not allowing the goverment to violate their civil liberties and steal the fruits of their labor. Its a more complicated issue, but I do feel teachers deserve more, and Republicans and Democrats are not the solution, Obama is not the Solution and neither is Hitlery. They are the problem.

Yeah right, happier people in socialist nations? Why is suicide and alcoholism rank far greater than the world average? People have no jobs, the economy is collapsing all over europe....Wonder why in your socialist utopia Finland has the 20th highest suicide rate in the world compared to 63rd in the USA (2011 WHO stats.)

If you want to be a drunk and kill yourself move to Finland or other socialist nations.

New_Jedi said:
Try again! Obama's last election, he spent a billion dollars. And we seen single donors funding entire Republican campaigns. Heck, Trump is funding himself.
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Yeah, that 7 billion was the total 2012 election. Im very proud of Obama's accomplishment of deceiving the average voter with massive tv, online, newspaper with all that money he had and not once but twice lie about his entire campaign promises. All for a measly billion dollars, Im so proud of that war hog serial killing murderer lying president.

Both Romney and Obama were financed by Chase, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacchs, Citigroup, Wallstreet, the very people Obama has no problem handing over blank checks and screwing over the bottom 99%.

I have more respect for Trump funding himself than Obama saying he wouldnt take a single dollar from lobby yet he bends on his knees to big banks, wall street, and many other big corporate lobby, the very 1% you despise. Obama is nothing but a big business corporate sell out and his insurance lobby loves him.

Lets look at the last previous election.

First 2 charts below from zerohedge.com from June 1st, 2012

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Now Goldman Sachs is Romney's #1 Campaign contributor, but they were Obama's #1 contributor from 2008.

Now lets look at some 2012 individual contributions from Goldman Sachs (I can do the same with Chase and Bank of America if I did the research,) and you can start to put the pieces together and start to see how both sides are financed by the same people. If you think the Vice President of Goldman Sachs is contributing to Obama because of his values then that will be up to you.

NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2012 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on 8/21/12. Chart curtosy of open secrets.org

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NEW YORK,NY 10014[/TD]
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CHICAGO,IL 60614[/TD]
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[TD]HEYMAN, BRUCE A
CHICAGO,IL 60614[/TD]
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[TD]Katz, Robert J
New York,NY 10065[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]KEOGH, CHRISTOPHER
CHICAGO,IL 60613[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]KEOGH, CHRISTOPHER
CHICAGO,IL 60613[/TD]
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[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]King, Vincent
Miami,FL 33169[/TD]
[TD]Goldman Sachs International[/TD]
[TD="class: date"]6/17/12[/TD]
[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]LINDEN, LAWRENCE H
NEW YORK,NY 10024[/TD]
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[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]LINDEN, LAWRENCE H
NEW YORK,NY 10024[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]LOPATIN, JONATHAN M
NEW ROCHELLE,NY 10804[/TD]
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[TD="class: date"]6/21/11[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]LOPATIN, JONATHAN M
NEW ROCHELLE,NY 10804[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]MAY, DAVID
HASTINGS ON HUDSON,NY 10706[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]MEHRA, SANJEEV
GREENWICH,CT 06831[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]MEHRA, SANJEEV
GREENWICH,CT 06831[/TD]
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[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]MENSCHEL, ROBERT B
NEW YORK,NY 10152[/TD]
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[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]MENSCHEL, ROBERT B
NEW YORK,NY 10152[/TD]
[TD]GOLDMAN SACHS[/TD]
[TD="class: date"]2/20/12[/TD]
[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]SCHER, SUSAN J
NEW YORK,NY 10011[/TD]
[TD]GOLDMAN SACHS[/TD]
[TD="class: date"]6/7/11[/TD]
[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]SCHER, SUSAN J
NEW YORK,NY 10011[/TD]
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[TD="class: date"]6/7/11[/TD]
[TD="class: number"]$2,500[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]Silver, Harry
OAKLAND,NJ 07436[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
[TD]SMITH, MICHAEL M
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]GOLDMAN SACHS[/TD]
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[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]GOLDMAN SACHS[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]GOLDMAN SACHS[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Obama, Barack[/TD]
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[TD]VANDEROEF, CAROLINE
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America: the best place to legally purchase a president both "left and right" wingers." Be on the look out for Hitlery and her Bush in 2016!
 
New_Jedi said:
If you were a teacher in Finland, you'd be paid as much as a lawyer. And you'd have hardly any debt from student loans or have to worry about health issues devastating your pocketbooks.

If our system works so well, why are our children lagging behind the rest of the Western World!

Why are socialist nations full of healthier and happier people!
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ROLF! Finland is in its 4th year of recession, has one of the worst economies of the Eurozone, their once thriving Oulu crashed to an 17% unemployment rate, public finances are close to a catastrophic. Their costs are raising and outpacing the rest of the Eurozone, With their over 65 doubling over the next 20 years, this country is in the crapper.

The central bank said Finland is "in a grave situation."

Alcohol drunks and druggies is increasingly getting out of hand, and people are killing themselves.

What a happy country with alot of happy people taking the leap of death....teachers get payed well, sure but with a big uncertain future as their life is getting more expensive and none of them can get a raise for at least another 20 years and in the meantime goverment currently rapes 31% of their income and has failed to produce a long term stable situation.
 
Trump now a flip flopper, saying on Bill Orielly show that we have to take in all these "migrants" for humanitarian reasons.

Yeah, Syria is living hell, but thats because of Obama's and the UN's policy to overthrow any dictator who doesnt comply with the NWO agenda.

Europe is going to have alot of serious problems, just yesterday a "migrant" brutally raped a 7 year old in Germany...and they are not showing images of the bad "migrants" causing trouble in Europe to the locals there.

Trump...you aint getting my vote you flip flopper!
 
ax1 said:
Trump now a flip flopper, saying on Bill Orielly show that we have to take in all these "migrants" for humanitarian reasons.

Yeah, Syria is living hell, but thats because of Obama's and the UN's policy to overthrow any dictator who doesnt comply with the NWO agenda.

Europe is going to have alot of serious problems, just yesterday a "migrant" brutally raped a 7 year old in Germany...and they are not showing images of the bad "migrants" causing trouble in Europe to the locals there.

Trump...you aint getting my vote you flip flopper!
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Ok, now you're talking really silly. I get it, you hate Obama. But if you think Syria is a hell-hole because of him, you are truly caught up in the spin and hateful rhetoric that just spews from mouths without a bit of thought. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
Dma378 said:
Ok, now you're talking really silly. I get it, you hate Obama. But if you think Syria is a hell-hole because of him, you are truly caught up in the spin and hateful rhetoric that just spews from mouths without a bit of thought. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Of course it was, they spend billions of dollars arming rebels to overthrow the dictator there. If it wasnt for that none of this would have happened.

What do you think is going to happen to a country when you invest billions of dollars and send 600+ tons of Ammunition to a country to overthrow a goverment?

What do you think would happen here in the USA if China invested billions of dollars and sent 600+ tons arming rebels in America and invested billions of dollars to overthrow Washington?

Where do you think ISIS has all their weapons from?
 
ax1 said:
Of course it was, they spend billions of dollars arming rebels to overthrow the dictator there. If it wasnt for that none of this would have happened.

What do you think is going to happen to a country when you invest billions of dollars and send 600+ tons of Ammunition to a country to overthrow a goverment?

What do you think would happen here in the USA if China invested billions of dollars and sent 600+ tons arming rebels in America and invested billions of dollars to overthrow Washington?

Where do you think ISIS has all their weapons from?
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Honestly I shouldn't have jumped back in this thread. All politics, agendas, ideologies, war, money, etc. pisses me off beyond belief. Do I think every politician does dumb shiit? Yep. Unfortunately the U.S. is forced to make decisions on a global scale because of ideologies. What is the right answer for Humanitarian efforts and Human Rights around the world? Where should we get involved, and where should we not? I do lean towards "NOT" 99% of the time. But if you can narrow down all the problems i.e. ISIS, Syrian rebels, etc. to being all on Obama's hands, it's crazy. Blame the entire system. Blame the course of history that has led to this point. Nobody has the answer. And nobody will make the right decisions. Of most recent presidencies, at least in my time, I would call Obama's conspiracy-light.
 
Dma378 said:
Honestly I shouldn't have jumped back in this thread. All politics, agendas, ideologies, war, money, etc. pisses me off beyond belief. Do I think every politician does dumb shiit? Yep. Unfortunately the U.S. is forced to make decisions on a global scale because of ideologies. What is the right answer for Humanitarian efforts and Human Rights around the world? Where should we get involved, and where should we not? I do lean towards "NOT" 99% of the time. But if you can narrow down all the problems i.e. ISIS, Syrian rebels, etc. to being all on Obama's hands, it's crazy. Blame the entire system. Blame the course of history that has led to this point. Nobody has the answer. And nobody will make the right decisions. Of most recent presidencies, at least in my time, I would call Obama's conspiracy-light.
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Of course you should have jumped back in, debating politics is fun!

There is alot of answers, and I do agree this isnt all on Obama's hands, he is just the current man in the seat who is going to be the one who has the finger pointed to. The problem is the Democrat and Republican system of foreign interventionism and the desire for constant regime change that's causing instability in the Middle East for decades. Not only is it the one party system of Washington responsible, but also the United Nation's thirst to also support these same policies. In order to save countries, they must be destroyed!

The addition to the problem is that the same people who caused the problem always over and over again are the ones who insist they have solutions. This is where the two party mind trick comes into play, but in the end the policies are just about all the same. Intervene, intervene, intervene...regime change, regime change, regime change, war, war ,war, bombs, bombs, bombs...all the people will love their new freedoms and love us!

Seriously, General Betraeyus (Patraeus) while head of CIA helped Obama launch regime change in Syria with covert ops and sparked the destruction of Syria now comes out a couple weeks ago and says he wants to form an alliance Al-queda??!! The group that launched Bush's war on terror because of 9-11 should now be our BFF?!!?

There is an answer to this....non-interventionist policies, protecting our borders and homeland and minding our own business is the best means for peace and prosperity for America. Talk trade, not sanctions and war. We did it with Chairman Mao (to a certain extent) who was worse than Hitler and Stalin combined, we can do it with all these other ruthless dicators too. China is a much better country now. Being the police of the world has this country bankrupt and countries in ruins.
 
ax1 said:
Of course you should have jumped back in, debating politics is fun!

There is alot of answers, and I do agree this isnt all on Obama's hands, he is just the current man in the seat who is going to be the one who has the finger pointed to. The problem is the Democrat and Republican system of foreign interventionism and the desire for constant regime change that's causing instability in the Middle East for decades. Not only is it the one party system of Washington responsible, but also the United Nation's thirst to also support these same policies. In order to save countries, they must be destroyed!

The addition to the problem is that the same people who caused the problem always over and over again are the ones who insist they have solutions. This is where the two party mind trick comes into play, but in the end the policies are just about all the same. Intervene, intervene, intervene...regime change, regime change, regime change, war, war ,war, bombs, bombs, bombs...all the people will love their new freedoms and love us!

Seriously, General Betraeyus (Patraeus) while head of CIA helped Obama launch regime change in Syria with covert ops and sparked the destruction of Syria now comes out a couple weeks ago and says he wants to form an alliance Al-queda??!! The group that launched Bush's war on terror because of 9-11 should now be our BFF?!!?

There is an answer to this....non-interventionist policies, protecting our borders and homeland and minding our own business is the best means for peace and prosperity for America. Talk trade, not sanctions and war. We did it with Chairman Mao (to a certain extent) who was worse than Hitler and Stalin combined, we can do it with all these other ruthless dicators too. China is a much better country now. Being the police of the world has this country bankrupt and countries in ruins.
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Now this post I can support!! LOL

I feel we probably agree on most things. The system is a joke and politics is just another distraction full of celebrities. That's what politicians are now, celebrities.

There are no answers. Too hard to make large amounts of people think logically together. But easy to get them to think illogically together.
 
Trump is just another lobbyist. Jeb, Hillary, Sanders, and even Rand are all just politicians. The father of almost every modern day Islamic extremists group(also there is now another group that we will be funding to fight Isis)is Regan. The president even in the constitutional era were as bad as the modern day one without the modern day advantages. History will eventually repeat itself, the US will turn into Nazi Germany(I believe it is worse already but many disagree). Government historically speaking doesn't even end well for the people no matter how hard they vote, no matter who is president, nothing will change as long as there is government. End rant lol.
 
CJNator said:
Trump is just another lobbyist. Jeb, Hillary, Sanders, and even Rand are all just politicians. The father of almost every modern day Islamic extremists group(also there is now another group that we will be funding to fight Isis)is Regan. The president even in the constitutional era were as bad as the modern day one without the modern day advantages. History will eventually repeat itself, the US will turn into Nazi Germany(I believe it is worse already but many disagree). Government historically speaking doesn't even end well for the people no matter how hard they vote, no matter who is president, nothing will change as long as there is government. End rant lol.
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Op jade helm .... lets discuss wat we know is coming . The things we cant stop . There has been talking of disarming Americans. .. doubtful? Or possible future gov move?
 
Well there are more armed Americans then politicians, soldiers and police(since only a very small amount won't comply but probably ended up dead for treason) so we can stop all this but people chose to just sit back and vote. Jade Helm IMO is something to scare us and distract us. I've heard nothing about it for a couple weeks now, I only heard about it while Obama was fast tracking the TTP threw congress while coincidentally the day he did, gay marriage was approved. Disarming the people will be tricky but they will slowly pass laws to the point that they will take them by force. Nazi Germany did it too fast, we have bases all over the world and the strongest military in the world. What Hitler wanted was basically a EU and now it is here. What the US govt will achieve with only Syra, NK, Iran and Cuba is a one world banking system. This is bigger then the US government.
 
CJNator said:
Well there are more armed Americans then politicians, soldiers and police(since only a very small amount won't comply but probably ended up dead for treason) so we can stop all this but people chose to just sit back and vote. Jade Helm IMO is something to scare us and distract us. I've heard nothing about it for a couple weeks now, I only heard about it while Obama was fast tracking the TTP threw congress while coincidentally the day he did, gay marriage was approved. Disarming the people will be tricky but they will slowly pass laws to the point that they will take them by force. Nazi Germany did it too fast, we have bases all over the world and the strongest military in the world. What Hitler wanted was basically a EU and now it is here. What the US govt will achieve with only Syra, NK, Iran and Cuba is a one world banking system. This is bigger then the US government.
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Wats the end game ? With USA tearing its own apart and turning on us , how do we support the choices of our nation if it cost us our lives at no benefit what so ever, no promise of safety, security or sanity. I believe in USA and its decisions. I only doubt in the legitimacy of its claims that we are safe . At this very moment terrorist are here in . We are trying to stop them , then we get the idiots who support and join isis . Those were our weapons they're using against us. Is it to late for America to save itself? Or are we doomed into yhe fate of our predecessors and past prophecies ?
 
CJNator said:
Trump is just another lobbyist. Jeb, Hillary, Sanders, and even Rand are all just politicians. The father of almost every modern day Islamic extremists group(also there is now another group that we will be funding to fight Isis)is Regan. The president even in the constitutional era were as bad as the modern day one without the modern day advantages. History will eventually repeat itself, the US will turn into Nazi Germany(I believe it is worse already but many disagree). Government historically speaking doesn't even end well for the people no matter how hard they vote, no matter who is president, nothing will change as long as there is government. End rant lol.
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This aint nazi Germany. I do agree we have alot of problems and heading the wrong course, but this is different. The goverment slaughtered thousands of their own people on 9/11, we have endless wars and killed millions of innocent people in the name of terror and regime change...this cost the lives of thousands of our troops, and many who are injured have been left in VA hospital basements to rot to death when they have treatable injuries.....its bad, really bad but still not like nazi germany imo.

bighulksmash said:
Op jade helm .... lets discuss wat we know is coming . The things we cant stop . There has been talking of disarming Americans. .. doubtful? Or possible future gov move?
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All they need to do is call for a state of emergency and they will go door to door and take them. They did it during Katrina kicking doors down in nice communities, they can do it anywhere.

bighulksmash said:
Wats the end game ? With USA tearing its own apart and turning on us , how do we support the choices of our nation if it cost us our lives at no benefit what so ever, no promise of safety, security or sanity. I believe in USA and its decisions. I only doubt in the legitimacy of its claims that we are safe . At this very moment terrorist are here in . We are trying to stop them , then we get the idiots who support and join isis . Those were our weapons they're using against us. Is it to late for America to save itself? Or are we doomed into yhe fate of our predecessors and past prophecies ?
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There is no end game. Desire for power is limitless.
 
ax1 said:
This aint nazi Germany. I do agree we have alot of problems and heading the wrong course, but this is different. The goverment slaughtered thousands of their own people on 9/11, we have endless wars and killed millions of innocent people in the name of terror and regime change...this cost the lives of thousands of our troops, and many who are injured have been left in VA hospital basements to rot to death when they have treatable injuries.....its bad, really bad but still not like nazi germany imo.



All they need to do is call for a state of emergency and they will go door to door and take them. They did it during Katrina kicking doors down in nice communities, they can do it anywhere.



There is no end game. Desire for power is limitless.
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This thread has my mind satisfied, no where can i talk about this without people quietly debating iam insane or a threat ... now for a hard question no one seems to know .was mars our original home before earth?
 
bighulksmash said:
This thread has my mind satisfied, no where can i talk about this without people quietly debating iam insane or a threat ... now for a hard question no one seems to know .was mars our original home before earth?
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Wait wut? Are you insane? Threat maybe? lol
 
bighulksmash said:
Wats the end game ? With USA tearing its own apart and turning on us , how do we support the choices of our nation if it cost us our lives at no benefit what so ever, no promise of safety, security or sanity. I believe in USA and its decisions. I only doubt in the legitimacy of its claims that we are safe . At this very moment terrorist are here in . We are trying to stop them , then we get the idiots who support and join isis . Those were our weapons they're using against us. Is it to late for America to save itself? Or are we doomed into yhe fate of our predecessors and past prophecies ?
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Well I can't see the future but just look at history. If everything goes well sadly millions will die but the US govt will fall.
 
ax1 said:
This aint nazi Germany. I do agree we have alot of problems and heading the wrong course, but this is different. The goverment slaughtered thousands of their own people on 9/11, we have endless wars and killed millions of innocent people in the name of terror and regime change...this cost the lives of thousands of our troops, and many who are injured have been left in VA hospital basements to rot to death when they have treatable injuries.....its bad, really bad but still not like nazi germany imo.
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Well when I say its like Nazi Germany I don't mean they are shipping US off to camps. Think about this, there was a time that everyone was probably like "they are just doing their job" or "I don't like Hitler but we can still support the troops". In Nazi Germany there were check points all around and even in the US there are illegal check points all around. Well there is a the whole FEMA camp thing with the plastic coffins. Police are trained to shoot and kill if they feel threatened here, the same protocol in the Middle East for the US soldiers; also police are starting to look like they are going to war here. Nazi Germany did experiments on the Jews, the US government did experiments on minorities and crack fiends(Project MkUltra). There is fluoride throughout out water system that has dumb down practically 90+% of the population here, Hitler put it in the drinking water in concentration camps. The US government is doing everything Nazi Germany did but smarter, they dumb down everyone, distract everyone, bring a pone systematical poverty, and while we argue and fight amongst each other they are doing horrible ****. They control the news, the schooling system, now the internet, they are watching all of us and probably reading this threat too lol.
 
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