Natty Plunges into DARKNESS

I imagine it would only take me 2 Ph cycles to get were i want to be for life! Im not one of those people that want to get as big as possible. Here is what my physique looks now! Actually this was july 22. Tad leaner now! Also, i have a little lose skin, so that takes away from my physique tremendously in my eyes. Just got to keep building muscle to increase the volume of my body to help take care of the skin issue.

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NattyForLife said:
Ive made my decision up gents! Im gonna stick natty until this spring, and then im gonna run a Ph most likely! Gonna just skip the SARM! It will give me plenty of time to get support supps, research more, etc! Also will give me plenty of time to get bloods run which i never have done! Cant wait to see what my natty test is!
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I wish I had never ran any PH's ever tbh. Far more sides and far greater chances for gyno and other problems. The risk/reward ratio is pretty crappy for PH.
 
Gutterpump said:
Clomid is better for restarting your HPTA from being shutdown. Nolva is better at protecting against gyno on cycle. This is more than opinion. There's a reason why clomid is prescribed for fertility and for people with low test, it's simply better.
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I would prefer clomid since you should have a good AI on cycle and in PCT!
 
NattyForLife said:
I would prefer clomid since you should have a good AI on cycle and in PCT!
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I've run both and as proof that it's very user dependent, with just clomid, my recovery was not nearly as smooth. Sides lasted longer etc. Nolva has me plumped up and feeling nice really quick though. I usually run both just to enjoy all the benefits ha.
 
booneman77 said:
I've run both and as proof that it's very user dependent, with just clomid, my recovery was not nearly as smooth. Sides lasted longer etc. Nolva has me plumped up and feeling nice really quick though. I usually run both just to enjoy all the benefits ha.
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Clomid definitely has more sides, but from all the studies I've read, it's superior. Was it pharma grade or RC clomid?
 
Gutterpump said:
I wish I had never ran any PH's ever tbh. Far more sides and far greater chances for gyno and other problems. The risk/reward ratio is pretty crappy for PH.
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Most people think that Steroids are unsafe. My opinion is that orals are unsafe! Just injecting test and taking all the precautions is actually the safest route IMO! A test only cycle can get crazy good results, and its the safest route! There is just something about the needle aspect that scares most off!
 
Gutterpump said:
Clomid is better for restarting your HPTA from being shutdown. Nolva is better at protecting against gyno on cycle. This is more than opinion. There's a reason why clomid is prescribed for fertility and for people with low test, it's simply better.
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I don't know why people won't accept this! Clomid is also super cheap to source so the chances of getting bunk are very low. I will never pct without clomid
 
Gutterpump said:
Clomid definitely has more sides, but from all the studies I've read, it's superior. Was it pharma grade or RC clomid?
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Not sides from the clomid (tho I did get a tad bit "lovey" ha), sides continued from on cycle (lethargy, etc). Just took longer to feel 100% again.
 
NattyForLife said:
Most people think that Steroids are unsafe. My opinion is that orals are unsafe! Just injecting test and taking all the precautions is actually the safest route IMO! A test only cycle can get crazy good results, and its the safest route! There is just something about the needle aspect that scares most off!
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Test and DHT derivatives are all super safe.
 
Joedoubledose said:
I'd run OL UK LeGenD for at 4 mgs the first two weeks then 8mgs the remaining 6 for a total of 8 weeks at maintenance with dermacrine as a test base and nolva 20/20/10/10 for pct , epic by OL in pct at labeled dosage boom
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Boom!! This ^^^

If you truly want to recomp, diet will dictate. LGD will promote the muscle gain to actually recomp over Osta.
 
Dma378 said:
Boom!! This ^^^

If you truly want to recomp, diet will dictate. LGD will promote the muscle gain to actually recomp over Osta.
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Im gonna hold off for right now! Also, i think im gonna just skip SARMs. I mean, if im gonna shut myself down, i might as well get some good gains out of it! Probably will run DMZ or Msten come this spring! Ive also thought to run just a bread a butter basic test only cycle at 500mg per week! Test only cycles are pretty safe if all the precautions are taken compared to PHs and such! Its just the fact that needles are involved scare most people away! My opinion though!
 
NattyForLife said:
Im gonna hold off for right now! Also, i think im gonna just skip SARMs. I mean, if im gonna shut myself down, i might as well get some good gains out of it! Probably will run DMZ or Msten come this spring! Ive also thought to run just a bread a butter basic test only cycle at 500mg per week! Test only cycles are pretty safe if all the precautions are taken compared to PHs and such! Its just the fact that needles are involved scare most people away! My opinion though!
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Your opinion is pretty spot-on!!
 
NattyForLife said:
Im gonna hold off for right now! Also, i think im gonna just skip SARMs. I mean, if im gonna shut myself down, i might as well get some good gains out of it! Probably will run DMZ or Msten come this spring! Ive also thought to run just a bread a butter basic test only cycle at 500mg per week! Test only cycles are pretty safe if all the precautions are taken compared to PHs and such! Its just the fact that needles are involved scare most people away! My opinion though!
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You're gonna have to change your username lol
 
I think why most people go the PH route is that they think they are not steroids, but in fact, most of the good PHs are pretty much legal steroids! No wonder they got banned! Lol! Also, i think another reason why people divert to PHs instead of test cycles is that since there is no needle involved they think its more along the line of supplement use! As for me though, the reason im hesitating on test cycle though is that if someone asks me if i take steroids, im bound to say yes! I just dont feel comfortable blatantly lying to someone right in their face, especially if them people are my parents! Its rough decision to make in life gents! I mean people are gonna suspect something when 10-14 weeks later your 20lbs heavier but leaner! Lol.
 
It is tough. I mean my Dad knows I'm on gear for that very reason. My in-laws too. Everyone at work. But FOR ME...

Personal Goals > People's Opinions

But I do get it. I just laugh about it. They may have their opinion, and whatever that is, at the end of the day they wish they looked like that too.
 
NattyForLife said:
I think why most people go the PH route is that they think they are not steroids, but in fact, most of the good PHs are pretty much legal steroids! No wonder they got banned! Lol! Also, i think another reason why people divert to PHs instead of test cycles is that since there is no needle involved they think its more along the line of supplement use! As for me though, the reason im hesitating on test cycle though is that if someone asks me if i take steroids, im bound to say yes! I just dont feel comfortable blatantly lying to someone right in their face, especially if them people are my parents! Its rough decision to make in life gents! I mean people are gonna suspect something when 10-14 weeks later your 20lbs heavier but leaner! Lol.
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people are idiots and assume youre on steroids if youre in any kind of good shape... I get less comments when I'm off cycle than on.
 
That and the ****in tv/news has poisoned everyones minds. Nothing wore then some morbidly obese person tell you how bad steroids are for you while there stuffing there face with McDonald's
 
Jebrook said:
No worries man. Just breakin your balls a bit. At least you ain't 18. Lol. Do check your bloods before you ever take hormones though to know what your natural baseline is.
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Thats one reason i waited also! Through my insurance, i can get a complete blood test for free! Probably tell my doc, im gonna run a PH! Lol
 
Jebrook said:
No worries man. Just breakin your balls a bit. At least you ain't 18. Lol. Do check your bloods before you ever take hormones though to know what your natural baseline is.
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How would I go about getting my hormones checked? Local healthcare place?
 
Matthandyo said:
How would I go about getting my hormones checked? Local healthcare place?
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Privatemdlabs or labsmd.

I just used Privatemdlabs today. I paid $88 for Total Test, Free Test, Estradiol, FSH, LH, CBC, and CMP. It was only $88 because I got the test for >1500 Total Test levels, otherwise it's only like $50 with the 15% discount.

It was super easy. I had an appointment at 1:30. I walked in at 1:00 and immediately went to the room, got the blood drawn, and left. It literally only took 10 minutes, if that.
 
rascal14 said:
Privatemdlabs or labsmd.

I just used Privatemdlabs today. I paid $88 for Total Test, Free Test, Estradiol, FSH, LH, CBC, and CMP. It was only $88 because I got the test for >1500 Total Test levels, otherwise it's only like $50 with the 15% discount.

It was super easy. I had an appointment at 1:30. I walked in at 1:00 and immediately went to the room, got the blood drawn, and left. It literally only took 10 minutes, if that.
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Yeah I love how convenient it is and the results come direct to you very quickly versus having to pry the results from a health care provider who only mentions things that read high. Very interesting things to know on there. Also, Matthandyo, I recommend getting the blood drawn as early as possible after a 12 hour fast for the most reliable reading.
 
I had a small snack a couple hours before my test, I couldn't resist. Lol

But yeah, the results will be sent straight to my email. You can't really beat that kind of convenience.
 
I went to my doctor in May and got blood drawn and she never tested me for what I actually wanted which was my free and total test. When I called all I was given was "everything checks out fine" so I was left with a bruised arm from a ****ty needle entrance and no answers. Gonna have to try that route I suppose
 
afluck410 said:
I went to my doctor in May and got blood drawn and she never tested me for what I actually wanted which was my free and total test. When I called all I was given was "everything checks out fine" so I was left with a bruised arm from a ****ty needle entrance and no answers. Gonna have to try that route I suppose
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Ummm, go up there and ask to see your results! You have a right to see your medical records! End of story!!! That would tick me off!
 
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