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Sleep Aid?

Woody

Woody

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I'm looking for a sleep aid to help turn my mind off at night and give me some good sleep, deep sleep.

I've tried melatonin, but it makes me groggy.
I've tried flexaril, and I slept for 19 hours. Felt amazing, but 19 hours.
I've tried Growth XT, and i felt wired and uneasy, but when I slept, it was hard, deep sleep. Even on 5 hours, I felt rested and ready to go. But, it usually took 3-4 hours after taking it to fall asleep.
I've tried Ronnie Coleman Resurrect PM, but it makes me groggy.

Any suggestions?
 
Have you trield Benadryl (diphenhydramine)? Works like a charm for me. Some people get groggy, so that may be an issue. I just pop two an hour before bed.
 
Sleep GH (Prime)
Shut Eye (Fusion)

Both good products, if you have trouble sleeping and have used so many sleep aids. I would personally look at external factors (Music, lights, TV) that may keep you up. Or maybe seek a doctor regarding improper sleep or your sleep cycles which could be a problem, not a supplement that could solve that.
 
Woody said:
I'm looking for a sleep aid to help turn my mind off at night and give me some good sleep, deep sleep.

I've tried melatonin, but it makes me groggy.
I've tried flexaril, and I slept for 19 hours. Felt amazing, but 19 hours.
I've tried Growth XT, and i felt wired and uneasy, but when I slept, it was hard, deep sleep. Even on 5 hours, I felt rested and ready to go. But, it usually took 3-4 hours after taking it to fall asleep.
I've tried Ronnie Coleman Resurrect PM, but it makes me groggy.

Any suggestions?
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What dose of melatonin did you try? If I use anything more than 0.5 mg it also makes me groggy the next day (and the lower dose is more effective too).

Do you take magnesium? If not, magnesium glycinate and magnesium taurate work really well for providing deep sleep.
 
The Solution said:
Sleep GH (Prime)
Shut Eye (Fusion)

Both good products, if you have trouble sleeping and have used so many sleep aids. I would personally look at external factors (Music, lights, TV) that may keep you up. Or maybe seek a doctor regarding improper sleep or your sleep cycles which could be a problem, not a supplement that could solve that.
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Its only been since I started law school. Though i'm not a doctor, I don't think its a medical issue. More of a law school is a soul-sucking journey.
 
If you continue to have bad sleep and your taking sleep aids there is a problem. Especially if you cannot stay asleep or have trouble falling asleep. Like i said could be external things with lighting, sounds, TV, music etc. But if this keeps up no supplement will fix the issue

Just like people with health problems, you cannot buy a supplement to fix your health, it will only "Supplement" or "Help" you in the grand scheme of things where there are many other factors that doctors would have to do to help fix the issue.
 
The Solution said:
If you continue to have bad sleep and your taking sleep aids there is a problem. Especially if you cannot stay asleep or have trouble falling asleep. Like i said could be external things with lighting, sounds, TV, music etc. But if this keeps up no supplement will fix the issue

Just like people with health problems, you cannot buy a supplement to fix your health, it will only "Supplement" or "Help" you in the grand scheme of things where there are many other factors that doctors would have to do to help fix the issue.
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When I'm in school, I'm stressed to the max running 10000 mph trying to do 700 things at once. Read 150+ pages a day, outline, brief cases, etc.
This summer when I interned, I had no trouble falling asleep or getting restful sleep.
My first week of school was fine, no sleep issues.
And then the heavy reading started. Five classes and a journal in addition to board membership in several organizations and being a mentor to new students. Its a lot. Takes me a while to shut down at night and usually whenever I start to fall asleep I start to think of the 170 million things I need to do or could be doing.

Regarding most of the sleep aids I took, its not that they didn't work. Its more that when I woke up I was extremely foggy and it took me about an hour or two to get going. In an hour and a half today, I've reread for two classes and revised my outlines for both in preparation for class today. Spending an hour or two just coming back to life is time I don't have.

Last night i finished my last bit of Growth XT, slept for about 4-5 hours (took it at 8 pm... didn't fall asleep until midnight. Not sure why but this really keeps me awake) but i woke up feeling well rested and ready for the day. I just don't like to lay (lie..?) in bed for 4 hours and not be able to sleep.

Given that its only when I'm in school and super stressed/busy, I'm inclined to think its not a medical issue; again, I could be wrong. But I'm not aware of many medical problems that turn off for 14 weeks and then come back on.
 
I use Ashwagandha (go for KSM-66 if possible) and chelated Magnesium Glycinate to help me sleep well. I may include 1mg of melatonin but only use it for days when I really need it.
 
Woody said:
When I'm in school, I'm stressed to the max Takes me a while to shut down at night and usually whenever I start to fall asleep I start to think of the 170 million things I need to do or could be doing.

Given that its only when I'm in school and super stressed/.
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This is the problem
Stress/Cortisol levels can play a role on your sleeping. Like i said, you need to try to get into a routine, wind down, and get a proper nights rest even with the schedule and keep the stress off. People who are very highly stressed are very bad sleepers.
 
Given your experience with Growth Factor XT, L-Dopa containing products may be out of the question for you.

I'm a huge fan of Ashwagandha (as KSM-66) pre-bed.
 
Woody said:
When I'm in school, I'm stressed to the max running 10000 mph trying to do 700 things at once. Read 150+ pages a day, outline, brief cases, etc.
This summer when I interned, I had no trouble falling asleep or getting restful sleep.
My first week of school was fine, no sleep issues.
And then the heavy reading started. Five classes and a journal in addition to board membership in several organizations and being a mentor to new students. Its a lot. Takes me a while to shut down at night and usually whenever I start to fall asleep I start to think of the 170 million things I need to do or could be doing.

Regarding most of the sleep aids I took, its not that they didn't work. Its more that when I woke up I was extremely foggy and it took me about an hour or two to get going. In an hour and a half today, I've reread for two classes and revised my outlines for both in preparation for class today. Spending an hour or two just coming back to life is time I don't have.

Last night i finished my last bit of Growth XT, slept for about 4-5 hours (took it at 8 pm... didn't fall asleep until midnight. Not sure why but this really keeps me awake) but i woke up feeling well rested and ready for the day. I just don't like to lay (lie..?) in bed for 4 hours and not be able to sleep.

Given that its only when I'm in school and super stressed/busy, I'm inclined to think its not a medical issue; again, I could be wrong. But I'm not aware of many medical problems that turn off for 14 weeks and then come back on.
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It doesn't get any better once you start practicing brother! Better figure out a long-term solution now!
 
The only supplement I've taken for sleep that was straight legit, was formutech rem 8.0. Real deal, put me to sleep, extended sleep hours n had me fresh. Other than that cortisol lowering supplements in the evening gets me better sleep.
 
10% off Prime's Sleep GH at Orbit Nutrition with "SOCIAL"

I also really like Finaflex G8
 
I know the feeling. I had great difficulty "turning off" my brain so to speak when I was in grad school while working full time. As stated before the best thing you can do is establish what's referred to as good sleep hygiene. Magnesium is an option and I've found a product called "Sleep Aid" from True Nutrition to be helpful at times but again is something I wouldn't use 365 days a year.
 
I like supplementing in phenibut xt by sns. It's pretty good.
 
LeanEngineer said:
I like supplementing in phenibut xt by sns. It's pretty good.
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I have a sample of that, but I recall reading that you shouldn't supplement for a prolonged period of time.
BRUstrong - thanks for the encouraging words. Interning wasn't bad. Handle a state supreme court case so that was cool.

And yes, now that I think about it, L-Dopa does keep me awake. Couldn't sleep for anything on Dopadex. Hm.
 
Woody said:
I have a sample of that, but I recall reading that you shouldn't supplement for a prolonged period of time.
BRUstrong - thanks for the encouraging words. Interning wasn't bad. Handle a state supreme court case so that was cool.

And yes, now that I think about it, L-Dopa does keep me awake. Couldn't sleep for anything on Dopadex. Hm.
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Haha, you know I'm a straight shooter (outside of the courtroom)!
 
How close to your bed are you doing mentally stimulating activities? That would be the first thing I change. Unfortunately I wouldn't rely on OTC supps forever, but melatonin at a reasonable dose (low to avoid grogginess) would be my best suggestion.

If you have a "busy mind", try setting a peaceful scene in your mind and immersing yourself in it. This can distract your mind from work and instead put it toward something less stimulating which may help with drowsiness.
 
Jiigzz said:
How close to your bed are you doing mentally stimulating activities? That would be the first thing I change. Unfortunately I wouldn't rely on OTC supps forever, but melatonin at a reasonable dose (low to avoid grogginess) would be my best suggestion.

If you have a "busy mind", try setting a peaceful scene in your mind and immersing yourself in it. This can distract your mind from work and instead put it toward something less stimulating which may help with drowsiness.
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I usually stop 2-3 hours before bed. Then I watch an episode or two of the office or scrubs and take a shower or Epsom bath.

Growth Factor gave me restful sleep even if I didn't have a lot, but I couldn't fall asleep on it so I didn't get a lot of it.
 
I know how you feel. And it sucks. I can tell you this: you have to get a permanent fix figured out or it will affect you emotionally and physically.

When I got my bachelors it was moderately bad, but I have just completed another two years while having a 60+ hour a week job and a family. So similar hours as yours but different demands. Doesn't matter - no sleep is bad juju. I could get to sleep but couldn't stay there. I would wake up at 1AM and be wide awake for a couple hours. When the alarm went off I would be in a deep sleep. What would really piss me off is that I would fall asleep at work or while driving home but couldn't stay asleep when it was time.

I tried Ambien, but you cant stay on that forever and the Walrus came to visit a couple of times - two left shoes in the kitchen, odd food eaten and other things that let me know that there would be one trip that would go bad if I kept playing with it. I tried and still use melatonin, but the dosages are up to 15 mg or more; that's just insane. Benadryl doesn't always work. Leg day always works though. If I can have leg day 2-3 hours before bed, its a done deal. Swimming laps used to work outstandingly well, too. Pure exhaustion.

Honestly the best thing I did was graduate. Both times. Some of it is just the price you have to pay to get what you want, but it cannot become permanent as has been said before. I had a routine - up at 4:30 or 5, down by 11. It still sucked. I took to sleeping in my car at lunch and pulling over and sleeping on the side of the road if I couldn't make it home.

Am I glad I did it? Absolutely. But I am also glad (grateful) to be getting more quality sleep.

If you can get that much reading done in an hour and a half and be able to watch TV at night before bed then you are blessed with an amazing brain. For me it required total, complete dedication 7 days a week. I am just now watching movies from two plus years ago; they are pretty cheap on DVD now, so that's a positive. But really, watching Marky Mark globe trot with wayward transformers shouldn't cost a lot anyway.

One word of caution: careful with the Benadryl. While it may get us to sleep it has short term brain effects and MAY contribute to dementia later in life. Not something to take if we need our brains to be optimal during a stressful time. Tried to post a link but since I lurk more than post I cant. Just search "Dementia 'linked' to common over-the-counter drugs".

Good luck.
 
Like others said, it's the l-dopa in growth factor that is keeping you up. The most important thing for now is to fix your sleep hygiene issues; look into relaxation techniques to help you before bed. Make sure the only things you do in bed is sleep and have sex, so no tv, etc. Don't use your phone or anything with a bright screen for an hour before bed if you can help it. Like some others said, try a low dose of melatonin. When you took the melatonin, when did you take it and what time were you going to bed at? Magnesium is a cheap and good way to get to sleep as well without any real detriment long term. Also, good call on avoiding phenibut (it should only ever be used sparingly).
 
The Solution said:
This is the problem
Stress/Cortisol levels can play a role on your sleeping. Like i said, you need to try to get into a routine, wind down, and get a proper nights rest even with the schedule and keep the stress off. People who are very highly stressed are very bad sleepers.
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Probably the best advice ITT. Too many people think they need a sleeping aid when there are many other variables that should first be addressed.
 
So - I have some AI Sports 3z i'm about to start taking, but assuming there is more than a scintilla of truth to Growth XT being good for gainz outside of the sleep it gives you, would 3z be enough to counteract the lack of sleep I get from L-Dopa
 
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