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Prami can mostly make you tired, but you can just take it before bed. It is stronger than caber but more effective. I've read a lot of positives on prami, even just on wikipedia. It's supposed to have positive effects on depression/bipolar disorder, etc.

I used pharma caber while on nandrolone before and it didn't help one bit with sides. I felt like crap the whole time. Could've been just the deca, could've been the caber, or could've been both combined.

Yes, it's been 3 months, but it's possible it could still have a lingering effect. I would never touch trest deca again imo. Far too long-acting.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Yeah its a microadenoma. My was also always none secreting and never grew on my MRIs.

Really? I've always heard the exact opposite in terms of side effects? Can explain more?

Yeah I did use treat DECA. Stopped it about April of this year. You really think its still lingering and causing issues?
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I stopped using trest deca in early March. Got bloodwork done after a 6 week pct of Indian generic pharma Nolva at 20/20/20/20/10/10 and clomid at 50/50/50/50/25/25. At the beginning of July, my test was 34 ng/dl on a scale of 348-1197.

Could still be causing some issues for you
 
joh408 said:
I stopped using trest deca in early March. Got bloodwork done after a 6 week pct of Indian generic pharma Nolva at 20/20/20/20/10/10 and clomid at 50/50/50/50/25/25. At the beginning of July, my test was 34 ng/dl on a scale of 348-1197.

Could still be causing some issues for you
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Triptorelin might come in handy right now for you.

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Gutterpump said:
Prami can mostly make you tired, but you can just take it before bed. It is stronger than caber but more effective. I've read a lot of positives on prami, even just on wikipedia. It's supposed to have positive effects on depression/bipolar disorder, etc.

I used pharma caber while on nandrolone before and it didn't help one bit with sides. I felt like crap the whole time. Could've been just the deca, could've been the caber, or could've been both combined.

Yes, it's been 3 months, but it's possible it could still have a lingering effect. I would never touch trest deca again imo. Far too long-acting.
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Hmm insteresting. I will need to look more into this I see.

Yeah it could still be lingering as my bp is staying elevated at around 140/90 also. So it could all be related to the great DECA at this point I guess.
 
8/7/15-comp deadlift
Warmup
Usual stuff
Comp deadlift
65%-365x5
75%-415x5
85%-465x10, estimated 1rm 620. Rpe 9
2in block sumo deadlift with straps
80% of best max-495x3x5 rpe 7-8
Beltless front squats
225x3x8
Ghrs
3x10
Planks
3x45s
Notes: dead. My hr and bp were elevated today so this took a little more out of me then it should. Just fatiguing. Nothing was terribly hard. Block pulls are deff harder then off the floor but overall not to bad. Got a video of my pulls and I was happy with my form changes and all looked great on all 10 reps. Reduced volume on assistance work to make up for the block pulls. I need them tho. Making an attempt to asses rpe more so I can use it better in the future.

Video on IG soon.
 
Looks like my shoulders are a touch over the bar? Anyone see that? Its hard to tell from that angle but its something I need to work on to get my leverage off the bottom.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Looks like my shoulders are a touch over the bar? Anyone see that? Its hard to tell from that angle but its something I need to work on to get my leverage off the bottom.
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Bad angle, but yeah, they might be. Could just be from the quick setup between reps? Hips closer to bar or maybe a slightly more narrow grip?
 
Sean1332 said:
Bad angle, but yeah, they might be. Could just be from the quick setup between reps? Hips closer to bar or maybe a slightly more narrow grip?
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Most of my pulls look like this. So I think I need to try and get my hips closer and use them more effectively like I've learned to do on my squats. Thoughts? My hips are rarely sore or beat up from sumo pulls anymore. With the blocks I could feel them engage and get a touch closer. Only used 2in but maybe 4in would be better like duffin suggests?
 
SweetLou321 said:
Most of my pulls look like this. So I think I need to try and get my hips closer and use them more effectively like I've learned to do on my squats. Thoughts? My hips are rarely sore or beat up from sumo pulls anymore. With the blocks I could feel them engage and get a touch closer. Only used 2in but maybe 4in would be better like duffin suggests?
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I'll use both. 4" for a few weeks and then 2", then maybe 4" 2-3 weeks out for a 2/3rd attempt weight.

Just work on getting your hips closer. From there I think you'll find yourself using your hips better to get that "pop"
 
joh408 said:
Got bloodwork today so we will see where I'm at. Not sold on triptorelin. The one study wasn't anything convincing to me
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Definitely hope you're doing better now! I've read a lot of feedback from triptoreline all over the net though. Plenty of people attest to it working.

And yes SweetLou321 your numbers make me jealous! My injuries/surgery set me back so far over the past couple years. Just getting back into PL'ing again now with a regular routine.
 
Gutterpump said:
Definitely hope you're doing better now! I've read a lot of feedback from triptoreline all over the net though. Plenty of people attest to it working.

And yes SweetLou321 your numbers make me jealous! My injuries/surgery set me back so far over the past couple years. Just getting back into PL'ing again now with a regular routine.
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Thanks bud! I'm glad to hear you are healing up and getting back at it. I've been lucky to not have had any serious injuries yet and to make consistent progress even with my hormone/health issues.

BTW bp is staying up. So I'm gonna guess you were right about the treat deca. Will just keep prolactin lowered and take some things for my bp in the mean time while it clears.
 
My knees are tanked yet again. So I will have to reluctantly squat once a week again and in flats. Its to much when I can barely stand up and st down from a chair. Doesn't matter what small gainz I get from more frequency and in olys at that point.

So edited plan will look more like

Comp squat
High bar pause or front squat pause
Sldl or reverse hypers
Abs wheel

Comp pull
Block pull
Bss with added ROM
Ghrs
Planks
 
Duramaxhd said:
Why is it u have so much knee trouble
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I have no idea. Could be tight quads? Could be something else idk. Never had any issues ever in the past. Wasn't until I tried oly shoes for a good while that it came on. It has stayed ever since. It flares badly in them. I think its bc I tend to fall on the ball of my foot in them and not stay centered due to the heel. I will only squat on flats from now on.
 
Gutterpump said:
Prami can mostly make you tired, but you can just take it before bed. It is stronger than caber but more effective. I've read a lot of positives on prami, even just on wikipedia. It's supposed to have positive effects on depression/bipolar disorder, etc.

I used pharma caber while on nandrolone before and it didn't help one bit with sides. I felt like crap the whole time. Could've been just the deca, could've been the caber, or could've been both combined.

Yes, it's been 3 months, but it's possible it could still have a lingering effect. I would never touch trest deca again imo. Far too long-acting.
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It's much stronger mg for mg, but that's totally irrelevant to real world dosing considerations. Caber is side less for most, myself included, and isn't necessary every day the way Prami is. And Prami makes many feel like puke. It is cheaper and much easier to find legit sources. But I can't sleep well on it, although many can.

I feel awesome with Caber and like **** at best with Prami, but each their own. But this is totally opposite what I'd suggest, having used both a good amount.

Any deca is a recipe for long-lasting prolactin influence, and most definitely is something to consider.

Also, Lou, DHEA is an anabolic, and all anabolics promote tissue and tumor growth in the body. Something to consider.
 
Hyde said:
It's much stronger mg for mg, but that's totally irrelevant to real world dosing considerations. Caber is side less for most, myself included, and isn't necessary every day the way Prami is. And Prami makes many feel like puke. It is cheaper and much easier to find legit sources. But I can't sleep well on it, although many can.

I feel awesome with Caber and like **** at best with Prami, but each their own. But this is totally opposite what I'd suggest, having used both a good amount.

Any deca is a recipe for long-lasting prolactin influence, and most definitely is something to consider.

Also, Lou, DHEA is an anabolic, and all anabolics promote tissue and tumor growth in the body. Something to consider.
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Thanks bud. Went with caber. Using l-dopa in the mean time. Already seeing relief and results. To bad it makes me feel off mentally.
 
Really? I always noticed better well-being with it, but at the time I was walking around w a prolactin level of 19 so I immediately found some relief w it. Put a bit of 'giddy-up' back in my saddle
 
And if the Caber doesn't help, like GP mentioned there's always Prami. It's cheap and I've never had fake Prami from an RC. And a bottle lasts a long time like letro. But that'd be my last resort.
 
Hyde said:
Really? I always noticed better well-being with it, but at the time I was walking around w a prolactin level of 19 so I immediately found some relief w it. Put a bit of 'giddy-up' back in my saddle
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Maybe I'm taking to much? My prolactin was also 19. I'm taking 2 of the as dopadex a day. I like l-dopa but maybe I need a lower dose. I notice that is more then double what is in inhibit p.
 
Hyde said:
And if the Caber doesn't help, like GP mentioned there's always Prami. It's cheap and I've never had fake Prami from an RC. And a bottle lasts a long time like letro. But that'd be my last resort.
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I've had good results with caber in the past so I'm sure itll treat me fine.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Maybe I'm taking to much? My prolactin was also 19. I'm taking 2 of the as dopadex a day. I like l-dopa but maybe I need a lower dose. I notice that is more then double what is in inhibit p.
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That is the brand and dose I've really found effective, Analyzed. I like a LOT of SNS products, but Inhibit P is one that both on paper and in real life didn't cut the mustard. You might as well just use one cap of the AS at night, but I'd wait a few more days to be sure.
 
Hyde said:
That is the brand and dose I've really found effective, Analyzed. I like a LOT of SNS products, but Inhibit P is one that both on paper and in real life didn't cut the mustard. You might as well just use one cap of the AS at night, but I'd wait a few more days to be sure.
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Cool thanks for the recommendation bud. So the inhibit p didn't work for you?
 
Has anyone looked at Dan greens bench workout?

Comp bench
Cat bench
Wide grip
Incline

Not to mention his ohp/db press day

Deadlift party day

And his two squat days a week. Those drugs must be nice. Wish I could handle that kind of volume lol.
 
Hyde said:
It's much stronger mg for mg, but that's totally irrelevant to real world dosing considerations. Caber is side less for most, myself included, and isn't necessary every day the way Prami is. And Prami makes many feel like puke. It is cheaper and much easier to find legit sources. But I can't sleep well on it, although many can.

I feel awesome with Caber and like **** at best with Prami, but each their own. But this is totally opposite what I'd suggest, having used both a good amount.

Any deca is a recipe for long-lasting prolactin influence, and most definitely is something to consider.

Also, Lou, DHEA is an anabolic, and all anabolics promote tissue and tumor growth in the body. Something to consider.
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I have to be honest and say I don't have much experience with caber or prami. I should probably not give any advice on them at all. Only used caber once and have prami on the side now in case of any issues with trest. I was using pharma caber the last time though with deca durabolin. My sex life then wasn't non-existant per say, but it was almost impossible to finish and libido was kinda crap. Trest ace on the other hand has turned me into a sex god, without the use of any prolactin control. I'm a bit baffled because I don't typically do well with 19nor's when it comes to sides.

Speaking in terms of the microadenoma, it's a good thing that the majority of them are non-secreting and very benign. I have one, and use anabolics as well as things that increase IGF-1, and have not had any issues (thankfully). If you really want to know what's up with the adenoma, my doctor told me they would do multiple blood draws in a week, to look for prolactin 'spikes'. Typically with a secreting pituitary microadenoma, it will cause several spikes & falls in prolactin. You wouldn't generally see constantly elevated levels.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Has anyone looked at Dan greens bench workout?

Comp bench
Cat bench
Wide grip
Incline

Not to mention his ohp/db press day

Deadlift party day

And his two squat days a week. Those drugs must be nice. Wish I could handle that kind of volume lol.
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And from what Ive seen he really pushes the envelope. I'm talking RPE 9s and 10s all day and sometimes sketchy technique. Of course I'm speaking from excerpts of his training on YouTube so idk.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Right above my knee caps and it take anywhere from 1 day to lasting for weeks on end and just continuing from workout to workout lol. So it varies.
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Ahh I see. I get it on the inside of my one knee from time to time. I've read it can be caused by anything from muscle imbalances to tightness in certain areas that might cause the knee to hinge differently at times. Definitely not from an injury, so I just foam roll and stretch and it tends to go away in days.

How do you alter your routine when this happens? Or do you?
 
Gutterpump said:
Ahh I see. I get it on the inside of my one knee from time to time. I've read it can be caused by anything from muscle imbalances to tightness in certain areas that might cause the knee to hinge differently at times. Definitely not from an injury, so I just foam roll and stretch and it tends to go away in days.

How do you alter your routine when this happens? Or do you?
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I typically cut squatting to once a week and go back to flat shoes. Stretching mildly helps. Could be tight quads I guess? It stems from falling forward in oly shoes really.
 
liftandswim said:
And from what Ive seen he really pushes the envelope. I'm talking RPE 9s and 10s all day and sometimes sketchy technique. Of course I'm speaking from excerpts of his training on YouTube so idk.
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Yeah I've seen that. Pretty crazy. I think duffin and bryd have much more realistic training programs and styles to look to for guidance.
 
Leaning towards this for my lower body work

Comp squat
Pause squat variation probably high bar or ssb
Ghrs/reverse hyper superset
Abs wheel

Front squat volume
Comp 5/3/1 pull rpe 8-9
Sub max block pulls
Planks

Thoughts?
 
8/9/15-comp bench
Warmup
Usual stuff. Getting better at mace swings.
Comp bench
90%-315x3x3 back flared up so I adjusted form a touch and got through it just fine. Video up soon.
Wide grip paused Larsen press
205x10,9,8,8 tired
Db rows on bench with pause at top
90x5x10
JM press (better form)/db curls/bb shrugs (gf requested bigger traps)
135x10/30x10/315x10
145x10/30x10/315x10
155x10/30x10/315x10
Pushups (recommended by a bodybuilder friend for bigger pecs, another gf request)
50 total
Notes: back was acting up which sucked. Got reps in ok. Moved well for not being peaked. Left me with little in the tank for my wide grip work. Using more pecs when I bench. Trying to learn to heave but I barely do it in the video. Good thing I'm taking these again. The gf requests are also things I want too before anyone calls me out lol.
 
Strong benching Lou. You have the heels raised a good deal and look tight and as though you get plenty of leg drive. You give hope Lou! You are a beacon!
 
rob112 said:
Strong benching Lou. You have the heels raised a good deal and look tight and as though you get plenty of leg drive. You give hope Lou! You are a beacon!
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Yeah I know I do. I have a very specific way I set up to have my heels as high as they can go while still getting leg drive.

I slide my head off the bench. I set my feet from there and leg curl and squeeze my glutes. I never let go of my leg drive once I plant them. Drive my hips in the bench. Then arch my back. Since I never let up on leg drive I never lost it and now have the tightest and high arch I can with leg drive. Problem solved.
 
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So I suck as fatigue management. I'll admit that. So I'm gonna make an honest attempt at using rpes for my assistance based stuff.

Current layout may look like this.

Comp squat/pull
Comp squat working towards 5rm
Comp pull working towards broken 3rm using the spp? Chart
Ghrs
Abs wheel

Squat/pull assistance
High bar pause squat rpe 7 working from 3x5 to 5x5
Sldl
Bss w/ added ROM
Planks

Then once I have new training maxes I'll flip the comp lifts to more volume/work capacity again and then up the rpe on the assistance work. Using the spp? Chart for all pulling now.

After talking to rob I'll use sldl this block and then most likely use a more comp based pull variation in my next block to keep some heavier pulling in the picture.
 
SSPT Deadlift table...I got you. I dunno, I personally think block pulls are better for strength specific type of weak point training, where SLDL are better mass builders(which leads to strength). I also like how they are safer than good mornings and RDLs because the hardest part of the lift isn't during reversal of weight. I'm a fan haha. Both good exercises. Just depends on goal with that movement I guess.

Edit: I get what you are saying now. Since you are doing singles you don't know high intensity block pulls are necessary and if sldl could be more beneficial. I'd say go for it, bc if you had a really specific need for the block pull at this time you wouldn't even of asked being how well you think out programming.
 
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