Clen and Keto Cycle

beegirl32

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I'm a 20 year old female, 5'8", 150lbs. I've been power lifting for sometime and have gained some excess fat that I'd like to see go. I've never truly cut before bc well I'm a power lifter. I bought clen, taurine, and keto. I've never used anything like this before (other than my gym's sponsored supplements and such) and was hoping for some guidance with dosage and cycling. Would this be an ok cycle? I've heard you don't need to take a break with the clen if you also take keto. Is 8 weeks too long? I understand that I have to go by how all this feels once I get into it but it would be nice to have a guide

Week 1
20mcg Clen, 0.5g

Week 2
40 mcg Clen , 1g taurine

week 3
50mcg clen, 1g taurine, 1 mcg keto

week 4
50mcg clen, 1g taurine,

week 5
60mcg clen, 1g taurine

week 6
60mcg clen 1g taurine, 1mcg keto

week 7
70mcg clen, 1g taurine

Week 8
70mcg clen, 1g taurine

Thanks guys!!
 
I assume you're trying to get to 132?

Clen isn't a staple fat burner. It should be used for very short stretches of time to break through a plateau. If you're wanting something that can be used for longer stretches, EC is a much better option.
 
Not so concerned with the long stretch of time. I am actually 143lbs after doing more cutting. 6-8 weeks is what I saw in my research.
 
beegirl32 said:
Not so concerned with the long stretch of time. I am actually 143lbs after doing more cutting. 6-8 weeks is what I saw in my research.
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Clen quickly loses efficacy for that stretch time. What I'm saying is if you're looking for something to run for 6-8 week, clen is not a good option and EC would be a much better option.
 
To echo what was said, Clen results in very rapid desensitization in the effects you're looking for relative to other options. Unless you just want an extra stim for the "feel" of it, it shouldn't be run longer than 2 weeks before a break (of at least a week, ideally 2). Ketoitifen can supposedly support receptor recovery and allow near-indefinite clen use, but I haven't seen enough science on it to be firmly convinced.
 
beegirl32 said:
I'm a 20 year old female, 5'8", 150lbs. I've been power lifting for sometime and have gained some excess fat that I'd like to see go. I've never truly cut before bc well I'm a power lifter. I bought clen, taurine, and keto. I've never used anything like this before (other than my gym's sponsored supplements and such) and was hoping for some guidance with dosage and cycling. Would this be an ok cycle? I've heard you don't need to take a break with the clen if you also take keto. Is 8 weeks too long? I understand that I have to go by how all this feels once I get into it but it would be nice to have a guide

Week 1
20mcg Clen, 0.5g

Week 2
40 mcg Clen , 1g taurine

week 3
50mcg clen, 1g taurine, 1 mcg keto

week 4
50mcg clen, 1g taurine,

week 5
60mcg clen, 1g taurine

week 6
60mcg clen 1g taurine, 1mcg keto

week 7
70mcg clen, 1g taurine

Week 8
70mcg clen, 1g taurine

Thanks guys!!
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Clen should be 2-3 weeks on 1 off and repeat. I'll be doing clen soon.

Edit: Also I think keto is for when you are off cycle to help your beta 2 receptors but don't quote me on that.

Double edit: Didn't read the post above mine lol.
 
CJNator said:
Clen should be 2-3 weeks on 1 off and repeat. I'll be doing clen soon.

Edit: Also I think keto is for when you are off cycle to help your beta 2 receptors but don't quote me on that.

Double edit: Didn't read the post above mine lol.
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When you take the T 1/2 into consideration, that's really not taking time off of the compound.
 
Ketotifen will prevent a tolerance from developing. The thing is this, by doing so it also prevents the necessity for scheduled dosage increases as well. With clen, imo, stick with the dose that is working. Do not arrbitrarily increase it. 8 weeks is also the absolute longest I would run it even with keto. Also I think you should start using keto from the start, not wait 2 weeks. Oh and keto dose is 1mg, not mcg (prob a typo)
So what I am saying is if at say week 2 40mcg is working and working well, stay at that dose. Dont arbitrarily increase the dose. Thats another benefit of keto- it allows you to keep dosages lower as it does prevent the b2 recptor from becoming less responsive to clen.
 
CJNator said:
Ah ok, then why do people recommend 1 week off? Would you think 2 would be better?
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Depends on the age of the info. When I first was researching clen over a decade ago, 2/2 is what I always saw. Personally, I don't see the appeal of clen.
 
Rodja said:
Depends on the age of the info. When I first was researching clen over a decade ago, 2/2 is what I always saw. Personally, I don't see the appeal of clen.
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Well I guess I keep doing research until it gets here, I've never tried it so this would be my first time. I know how to dose it but I'll keep doing research to be 100% sure about the protocol.
 
I love clen, but its therapeutic window is definitely narrow. Dose too little and you'll hardly notice anything acutely; dose too much (or just too fast) and you're stuck with tremoring hands and anxiety for hours. And you can't get too impatient, given that it'll be days before you approach peak.

In the sweet spot, though, I find it gives me plenty of all-day energy while hypocaloric, reduces my dependency on other stims like caffeine, and even seems to give a bit of an acute strength bump.

Clen's relatively inexpensive, too; trying to find ketoitifen priced less than 2-3x the clen it's supposed to support makes justifying the combo a challenge :)

Keep in mind that you can do cycles of 2/2 with ECA use during the "down" time. E is short-lived enough that the standard 3x daily dosing protocol won't hurt your receptor recovery too much.
 
Nyrin said:
I love clen, but its therapeutic window is definitely narrow. Dose too little and you'll hardly notice anything acutely; dose too much (or just too fast) and you're stuck with tremoring hands and anxiety for hours. And you can't get too impatient, given that it'll be days before you approach peak.

In the sweet spot, though, I find it gives me plenty of all-day energy while hypocaloric, reduces my dependency on other stims like caffeine, and even seems to give a bit of an acute strength bump.

Clen's relatively inexpensive, too; trying to find ketoitifen priced less than 2-3x the clen it's supposed to support makes justifying the combo a challenge :)

Keep in mind that you can do cycles of 2/2 with ECA use during the "down" time. E is short-lived enough that the standard 3x daily dosing protocol won't hurt your receptor recovery too much.
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Keto is dirt cheap. My fav rc site sells it for under or right around $20 man.
Also you shouldnt use eca in between as while it primarily hits alpha receptor it also impact beta receptor as well so it will hinder clens effectiveness and encourage b2 receptor up-regulation.
Not trying to be confrontational but it appears we disagree....on most things when it comes to this topic LOL
 
StanleyG said:
Keto is dirt cheap. My fav rc site sells it for under or right around $20 man.
Also you shouldnt use eca in between as while it primarily hits alpha receptor it also impact beta receptor as well so it will hinder clens effectiveness and encourage b2 receptor up-regulation.
Not trying to be confrontational but it appears we disagree....on most things when it comes to this topic LOL
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How much ketoitifen are you dosing? Most things I've read suggest several mg per day (well, night) and most RC sites seem to sell in 30mg 1mg/ml bottles; so yeah, it may be $20 a bottle, but if the bottle lasts you less than two weeks, it's still pretty expensive compared to the 60ml 200mcg/ml bottles of clen you can easily find for <$30.

Ephedrine is like clen's little brother, and they're both beta agonists. I'm not sure what you mean about ECA being alpha receptor based; there's virtually no alpha receptor involvement (yohimbine is the popular choice there). The key to ECA not irredeemably screwing up receptor recovery during clenbuterol downtime is that ephedrine has a pretty short half life -- 4 hours or so versus clenbuterol's 40. Taken on a normal wake, wake+4, wake+8 routine, that still gives you plenty of time for receptor recovery during the latter half of the day. This is also why ephedrine doesn't have the same receptor downregulation concerns that clenbuterol does to begin with.
 
Nyrin said:
How much ketoitifen are you dosing? Most things I've read suggest several mg per day (well, night) and most RC sites seem to sell in 30mg 1mg/ml bottles; so yeah, it may be $20 a bottle, but if the bottle lasts you less than two weeks, it's still pretty expensive compared to the 60ml 200mcg/ml bottles of clen you can easily find for <$30.

Ephedrine is like clen's little brother, and they're both beta agonist s. I'm not sure what you mean about ECA being alpha receptor based; there's virtually no alpha receptor involvement (yohimbine is the popular choice there). The key to ECA not irredeemably screwing up receptor recovery during clenbuterol downtime is that ephedrine has a pretty short half life -- 4 hours or so versus clenbuterol's 40. Taken on a normal wake, wake+4, wake+8 routine, that still gives you plenty of time for receptor recovery during the latter half of the day. This is also why ephedrine doesn't have the same receptor downregulation concerns that clenbuterol does to begin with.
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1mg/day ketotifen dosage. 30ml for $17= cheap.
Ephedrine does effect b2 receptor. You wouldnt want too, IMO, use it alternating with clen when the point of your break from clen is to get the b2 receptor "upregulated". Active and half life are not the only or even primary concerns when it comes to tolerance with b2 agonists. Albuterol has a much shorter active life than clen yet the very same tolerance issues. The point is I would avoid any b2 agonists in the off week if I was doing say 2 on/2 off protocol.
A loose analogy would be like runnin low dose anavar in pct. No way you would do that. Smae here, why would you do it? Bessides if running ketotifen at 1mg/day , at night, before bed you dont need to do the 2 on/2 off. You can run clen 6-8 weeks straight at responsible and resonabe effective dosages.
Oh and ephedrine as well as ephed alkaloids have more binding affinity to alpha receptors than they do beta recptors.
 
StanleyG said:
1mg/day ketotifen dosage. 30ml for $17= cheap.
Ephedrine does effect b2 receptor. You wouldnt want too, IMO, use it alternating with clen when the point of your break from clen is to get the b2 receptor "upregulated". Active and half life are not the only or even primary concerns when it comes to tolerance with b2 agonists. Albuterol has a much shorter active life than clen yet the very same tolerance issues. The point is I would avoid any b2 agonists in the off week if I was doing say 2 on/2 off protocol.
A loose analogy would be like runnin low dose anavar in pct. No way you would do that. Smae here, why would you do it? Bessides if running ketotifen at 1mg/day , at night, before bed you dont need to do the 2 on/2 off. You can run clen 6-8 weeks straight at responsible and resonabe effective dosages.
Oh and ephedrine as well as ephed alkaloids have more binding affinity to alpha receptors than they do beta recptors.
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I was reading up on it and saw this video saying like you said it can be ran up to 8 weeks if you add benadryl or ketotfen after the 2nd week, might just do 6-8 weeks depending on dosage and amount I would need.
 
CJNator said:
I was reading up on it and saw this video saying like you said it can be ran up to 8 weeks if you add benadryl or ketotfen after the 2nd week, might just do 6-8 weeks depending on dosage and amount I would need.
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Dont use benadryl- it doesnt work. Ketotifen, however, really does. I run it a max of 8 weeks when using ketotifen.
 
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