Recommended supports with lgd?

Im yet to start my run, and ideally want to run the lgd pretty much solo for 10-12 weeks. Thing is, Im worried about possible lethargy, and dont know if I should just run a 4-andro from the get go or save it til/if I need it.
 
1st run I got enlarged prostate which isn't normal so now I'm using a prostate support. I guess it varies per person.
 
Armicare pro and a test base and you are gtg
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Would you recommend this as a definite, or only if needed?
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If it was my lgd cycle I would be using dermacrine. Lethargy definitely hit me as the cycle progressed and I hate that lethargic feeling. It is not an absolute necessity but would be a big help
 
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yates84 said:
If it was my lgd cycle I would be using dermacrine. Lethargy definitely hit me as the cycle progressed and I hate that lethargic feeling. It is not an absolute necessity but would be a big help
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hmmm, yeah the possibility of lethargy concerns me, especially cos Id like to run for 12 weeks. Whats a good mild oral alternative to dermacrine? Ive been considering a couple of the Forerunner Labs products, but am certainly open to other suggestions...(and preferably sold at nutriverse).
 
NewAgeMayan said:
hmmm, yeah the possibility of lethargy concerns me, especially cos Id like to run for 12 weeks. Whats a good mild oral alternative to dermacrine? Ive been considering a couple of the Forerunner Labs products, but am certainly open to other suggestions...(and preferably sold at nutriverse).
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4 andro and epiandro are your only 2 other options really.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Yeah, I figured as much. So your first run with lgd you didnt have a test base for some/all of it (hence the lethargy)?
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Correct. I did 12 weeks at 10mg twice and the lethargy got pretty bad both times. I didn't know anything about test bases at the time and really just rolled with it.
 
yates84 said:
Correct. I did 12 weeks at 10mg twice and the lethargy got pretty bad both times. I didn't know anything about test bases at the time and really just rolled with it.
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damn...was it bad enough to effect your motivation to train? Hearing you say you pretty much just sucked it up is a little comforting :)
 
NewAgeMayan said:
damn...was it bad enough to effect your motivation to train? Hearing you say you pretty much just sucked it up is a little comforting :)
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Its nothing like sd where you don't even want to get out of bed, it was more of a heavy, tired feeling throughout the day. Yes, you can suck it up and push through but a test base would make life so much better on lgd imo.
 
yates84 said:
Hit me up if you need any help with your setup bro!
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How were your gains bro? massgain/ fat gain ratio...I assume you did bulk on it....

BTW, support supps are a must while on LGD? I have read several times Osta doesnt need any ssupport supps...

thanks!
 
1kerry said:
How were your gains bro? massgain/ fat gain ratio...I assume you did bulk on it....

BTW, support supps are a must while on LGD? I have read several times Osta doesnt need any ssupport supps...

thanks!
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I gained about 5 pounds of lean mass and strength went up pretty good. Lgd will have a more pronounced effect on bp and lipids. Cycle support isn't a definite but it is a good idea
 
yates84 said:
I gained about 5 pounds of lean mass and strength went up pretty good. Lgd will have a more pronounced effect on bp and lipids. Cycle support isn't a definite but it is a good idea
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So almost no fat gained? And does CEL cycle assist half dosed would do the trick?

Thanks!
 
1kerry said:
So almost no fat gained? And does CEL cycle assist half dosed would do the trick?

Thanks!
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I'm naturally a real skinny guy, you can easily gain some fat bulking on lgd. Not sure about half dosing, not really a good idea imo
 
1kerry said:
How were your gains bro? massgain/ fat gain ratio...I assume you did bulk on it....

BTW, support supps are a must while on LGD? I have read several times Osta doesnt need any ssupport supps...

thanks!
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I've read that on paper its doesn't effect any organs and minimal suppression. IMO I believe it depends on genetics on if it effects other organs or not but I'm no scientist, I'm just making an assumption.
 
CJNator said:
I've read that on paper its doesn't effect any organs and minimal suppression. IMO I believe it depends on genetics on if it effects other organs or not but I'm no scientist, I'm just making an assumption.
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Yes, sides and results are always going to be user specific. If you don't know how your body is going to react to something then it is smart to play it safe
 
yates84 said:
Yes, sides and results are always going to be user specific. If you don't know how your body is going to react to something then it is smart to play it safe
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Oh yea exactly, I definitely agree with u. Safe is better then sorry!
 
Great topic, was just wondering this my self!
 
warrior737 said:
How does lgd effect bp or cholesterol? Any one have bloods to post showing supressive levels? yates84
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Bp and cholesterol are both a concern with lgd, that's why we have been reccomending cycle support
 
warrior737 said:
Worst than a Ph OR AAS or similar?
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No, not as bad as ph/ds but is still something to take into consideration. My bp got pretty high on lgd.
 
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