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liftandswim said:
Once.

Inb4 shîtstorm...but I hated them. Didn't feel like I was actually squatting the weight. Down the road (when I plateau) I'll use them, not right now though.
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I have no interest in them either, but I'm sure I'll hit that point too.

Duramaxhd said:
Wraps are cheating
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Like sumo. lol
 
liftandswim said:
Once.

Inb4 shîtstorm...but I hated them. Didn't feel like I was actually squatting the weight. Down the road (when I plateau) I'll use them, not right now though.
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Same here, hated them. I've opted for reverse bands
 
I don't blame any of u for choosing your path and the current trend in the sport is raw as possible there are time I wish I followed that path as well
 
Hard to explain I feel like squatting without out wraps teaches u to be more stable develop more musculature around the knees, probably bro science
 
Yup. lol
 
Duramaxhd said:
Hard to explain I feel like squatting without out wraps teaches u to be more stable develop more musculature around the knees, probably bro science
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Idk about more musculature. Sounds logical though.

Increased stability in the hole, definitely. But even if you're a wrapped squatter I think you should be doing the majority of your training without wraps so that's a non issue. Throw the wraps on during meet prep. My 2 cents
 
liftandswim said:
Idk about more musculature. Sounds logical though.

Increased stability in the hole, definitely. But even if you're a wrapped squatter I think you should be doing the majority of your training without wraps so that's a non issue. Throw the wraps on during meet prep. My 2 cents
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Unless you can only reach a certain % without them, or you get too taxes to hit your desired percent?

For example, I wanted to do my last pre-AMRAP set without a belt, but knew that sometimes it takes me a set to get myself use to the belt. Would wraps work the same way?
 
I see guys in my gym wrapping for leg presses and squats all the time, and the wraps don't look that tight nor do they do that much weight. I wonder, at what point did someone tell them thy are necessary?
 
RegisterJr said:
Unless you can only reach a certain % without them, or you get too taxes to hit your desired percent?

For example, I wanted to do my last pre-AMRAP set without a belt, but knew that sometimes it takes me a set to get myself use to the belt. Would wraps work the same way?
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Kinda. Depends what your focus is for the day (i.e. the top means a lot or total volume is more important). And where you're at in your training (i.e. close to a meet or not).

Regardless, you should be using wrapped and unwrapped numbers to calculate percents. 90% of your best wrapped squat could be more than 100% of your best unwrapped squat.
 
RegisterJr said:
I see guys in my gym wrapping for leg presses and squats all the time, and the wraps don't look that tight nor do they do that much weight. I wonder, at what point did someone tell them thy are necessary?
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It's a bodybuilding thing. Probably saw it in flex magazine or a buddy told them
 
I think it's the mental aspect for those guys wrapping and not doing heavy weights. I see a couple guys that wear their belts for everything. They say it gives them support. Not sure support is needed for 20lb DB curls...lol A time and place for everything.
 
turff49 said:
I think it's the mental aspect for those guys wrapping and not doing heavy weights. I see a couple guys that wear their belts for everything. They say it gives them support. Not sure support is needed for 20lb DB curls...lol A time and place for everything.
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Yeah, I see that too. Other than squats/DL/OHP/rows, I really don't see much purpose for a belt. But, it could be mental also.

In fact, I feel like wearing wrist wraps on bench or OHP *MAKE ME* miss lifts. lol
 
Strong squats as usual. I hated wraps too fwiw.
 
Yeah I see people use wraps on everything. Most don't know how to even put em on right lol. But nice squats man, as always.
 
Nice PR today man. I'm with Tyga, teach me your ways.
 
Thanks, you three!

Week 8, Day 5, Part B

Bench
(1st rep paused)
260x5
260x5

CGBP
(all reps paused)
240x6
240x6

Wide Grip Bench
(slow and controlled throughout)
185x10

Dumbbell Incline Bench
100sx10
100sx10

Cable Row
(wide, neutral grip)
2x15

Unilateral Row
(standing)
2x15

Rolling Tricep Extension
3x15
superset
Dumbbell Curl
3x15

Calf Raises
3x15 then drop

Okay, so my pec is still funky. There's no pain, but it's not 100%. I wanna nip this shît in the bud. Thinking I should take the next two weeks off benching completely. Thoughts? Should I avoid all pec work in those two weeks? Hoping for herder or Lou to chime in. I know you have experience with this crap. Thanks in advance.

Stay strong AM.
 
First I have a question. Do you squat with a lot of quad or glutes? Or a combo of both?

Second my tip would be to back off pec work for now. Since you can tell its not 100% of work off a 1 board or 2 board (if one board makes you feel it). I'd start light and work up slowly. Use a slingshot with the 1 board for heavier work to keep your CNS up too. As long as it doesn't bother it. The rest of your assistance should be heavy Tris, delts, and lats.

Example I did.

Me bench
1-85% 1 board slingshot
2-90% 1 board slingshot
3-95% 1 board slingshot
4-deload
5-resume normal training.

De bench
1-135 add chains per every 2 sets. Off a one board.
2-155 add chains per every 2 sets. Off a one board.
3-175 add chains per every 2 sets. Off a one board.
4-195 add chains per every 2 sets. Off a one board.
5-resume normal training.

Just an idea.
 
Tbh I've never given it much thought. I just squat. I guess a combination of both.

And I have a slingshot, but no boards or chains homie. I get the idea though. Gonna take these two weeks off benching. And bring it back slowly. In these next two weeks would something like extremely light flys (20# dumbbells) help or hinder healing?
 
liftandswim said:
Tbh I've never given it much thought. I just squat. I guess a combination of both.

And I have a slingshot, but no boards or chains homie. I get the idea though. Gonna take these two weeks off benching. And bring it back slowly. In these next two weeks would something like extremely light flys (20# dumbbells) help or hinder healing?
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They always hurt me, I can press pain free buy flyes kills me personally. So you will hear arguments both ways.
 
7/4

Week 8, Day 6

Pull-Ups
2x15

Cable Row
4x12

Lat Pulldown
3x15

Straight Arm Pulldown
(supinated grip)
2x25

Lateral Raises
3x15

Lateral Raise Partials
2x15

Prone Rear Flys
3x20

Upright Row
2x20

Tricep Pushdown
4x15

Incline Curl
3x10 then drop

Dumbbell Preacher Curl
2x15

Cable Kickbacks
3x20

Delt Finisher
aka gym was closing so I did like 2 minutes straight of random shît.

Happy 4th!

Stay strong AM.
 
liftandswim said:
Once.

Inb4 shîtstorm...but I hated them. Didn't feel like I was actually squatting the weight. Down the road (when I plateau) I'll use them, not right now though.
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I first had wraps as a sophomore in high school. Put them on, felt it keeping me from ass on calves, and felt it spring me up. I didn't pull them back out until 7 years later. I understand.
 
For the pec issue, there's a grip halfway between close grip and comp grip where you can take the pecs out of the movement. Find that place and live there. Stuff a foam roller under your shirt, or a belt, or a 25# plate. Board pressing is the easiest thing ever, because anything can become a board. And use the slingshot for everything. Yes, you will be weaker off the chest when you take the slingshot away. But you will be 50x stronger off the chest than if you hurt your pec.
 
herderdude said:
For the pec issue, there's a grip halfway between close grip and comp grip where you can take the pecs out of the movement. Find that place and live there. Stuff a foam roller under your shirt, or a belt, or a 25# plate. Board pressing is the easiest thing ever, because anything can become a board. And use the slingshot for everything. Yes, you will be weaker off the chest when you take the slingshot away. But you will be 50x stronger off the chest than if you hurt your pec.
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Thanks, dude. What do you think about high rep low weight BB'ing style work during recovery? Help or hinder? I'm asking because I want to minimize barbell work (and all barbell work will be along the lines of what you and Lou advised).
 
liftandswim said:
Thanks, dude. What do you think about high rep low weight BB'ing style work during recovery? Help or hinder? I'm asking because I want to minimize barbell work (and all barbell work will be along the lines of what you and Lou advised).
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Sure, no big deal. Just less specific. Just find cues to do away with pec involvement.
 
herderdude said:
Sure, no big deal. Just less specific. Just find cues to do away with pec involvement.
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Sounds good. I'm going to take my time. Remaining healthy is very important to me. Figure fix it now and my bench suffers a bit or wait til it shîts the bed and I'm out of commission for months.
 
7/6

Week 9, Day 1, Part A

Paused Front Squat
335x2
335x2
335x2 (filmed)
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~3inch Deficit SLDL
(belt-less)
315x8
315x8

Sumo
375x3
395x3
415x3

Unilateral Leg Press
5x12

Weighted Back Extensions
2x20
 
I'm jealous you can get your hands into that position on FS.

When I was benching with pinky an inch inside rings I felt barely any chest at all, FWIW.
 
Dang you make 335 look lite doing those! Do you even rest the bar on the delts or are you holding it with your palms and arms locked to your side. So impressive!
 
RegisterJr said:
I'm jealous you can get your hands into that position on FS.

When I was benching with pinky an inch inside rings I felt barely any chest at all, FWIW.
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I'd like to help, but I could get into that position from day 1.

And yeah, when I'm back to really benching I'll likely be moving my grip in.
 
turff49 said:
Dang you make 335 look lite doing those! Do you even rest the bar on the delts or are you holding it with your palms and arms locked to your side. So impressive!
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Thanks, turf. Road to 405!

And the bar is on my delts. Like an Olympic weightlifter would rack a FS, but only two fingers.
 
Week 9, Day 1, Part B

Seated BTN Press
165x5
165x5
165x5
165x5

OHP
125x12
125x12

Cable Row
4x12

Lat Pulldown
3x12

Overhead Extensions
2x20

Face Pulls
5x15
superset
Cable Lateral Raises
5x15

Rear Delt Fly Machine
1 50 rep set

Calf Raises
3x15

Seated Calf Raises
2x20

Good lift. All the sets of BTN press were RPE 9-9.5. Rough.

I wouldn't be terribly saddened if I had to give up the barbell flat bench for a good while. I'll prioritize overhead work (which I enjoy more...and doesn't beat me up) and train the rest of my upper body, chest included, like a bodybuilder.

Will always train lower with a strength focus though, don't worry. It's too damn fun.

Arms in the morning.

Stay strong AM.
 
I'd have to agree with lower days being more fun, strength wise.
 
Ya I haven't benched in awhile, been pounding away at overhead work and shoulder stability. It'll either pay off or it won't, but figured it was worth a shot.

Hope it works out for you though!
 
bolt10 said:
Ya I haven't benched in awhile, been pounding away at overhead work and shoulder stability. It'll either pay off or it won't, but figured it was worth a shot.

Hope it works out for you though!
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Thanks, man. We'll both just have to wait and see, I guess. I'm in no rush, I'm happy with my progress thus far (of course I want more though).

I think the two biggest changes when I reincorporate my bench is 1. bringing my grip in and 2. pausing every rep...touch and go just isn't safe for me (because I'm unable to do it correctly)
 
7/7

Week 9, Day 2

Barbell Curl
work up, work up
120xAMRAP (4)

Cheat Curl
120x6
120x6

Overhead Extensions
4x12

Alternating Hammer Curl
2x10

Incline Curl
4x12 then drop

Rope Pushdown
3x20 then drop

Dumbbell Preacher Curl
3x10 then drop

Cable Kickbacks
3x20 then drop

Cable Curl
3x15 then drop

Stay strong AM.
 
Nice curling Man! 120 is heaaaavvvvyyyy!! Good way to get an arm throb going...lol
 
We got an Arnold in here.
 
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