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Sweetlou's training log

Hyde said:
My experience w/ dhea is it bugged my gyno a lot, just using intermittently. Dermacrine, if you ask me, is more for the TRT crowd that's just looking for balance, not really blasting often. So you'd already have a baseline bloods and then implement the Dermacrine for a month consistently, get bloods, and decide from there (dhea & preg levels naturally fall when TRT is implemented, and eventually often have to be added exogenously, after all).

But not everyone on TRT ever needs to supp with either, or both, dhea and preg. Many get by without.

Anyway, pregnenolone, used orally just here and there makes a very profound impact for me on cycle. All positives except insomnia/inability to sleep long if you overdo it. Hence the using as needed. That might be a better option, as it won't bug the e2. Just google reputable brands, because there are a lot of hit or miss companies.
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Thanks man. Added it back in today and I'll see how it goes for a few days and then decide if I wanna keep it in.
 
7/3/15-deload upper
Warmup
Hammer swingsx2
Sohdbp/pulldowns/pushdownsx2
Cg bench with flat feet paused
245x2x5
Sohp
135x2x10
Pulldowns
120x10
150x10
Pull ups
Bwx2x8
Front raises/side raises/mini band pullaparts/mini band unilateral pushdowns
15x10/15x10/20/25, 2 sets
Pushups for ****s and gigs
Bwx10
Notes: trying to find a good strong bench position that doesn't bother my back. Did good today. Working on head and rib cage position now. I prefer bb ohp to dB's. Just gotta make sure I press straight is all. Lat is 100%, worked up to pull ups and felt great. Pump work at the end and stuff for my elbows.

Weight is 213, cals are at an all time high. Gf raised them again. She has complete control of my diet ATM. I trust her.

Add derm back in. Idk if its converting to estrogen or not but I forgot how much this stuff helps my brain. It literally makes me so clear headed, awake, fell great, and increases my already good mood. It also brings out some extra drive, focus, and aggression in training. I hope this keeps up, it always did. Things seems to be going well. Also it seems to help my anxiety some.
 
Ok my anxiety is at an all time high. I've had issues with it ever since I tried tren years ago. Its been pretty bad since the meet to be honest. To the point of paranoid about some things. I'm hoping its just my hormones being off as its never been this bad before. Derm does make me more awake but it also gives me so much energy I'm nervous and anxious. I'm like pacing at work with no caffeine. Im gonna guess that's the preg in it. E2 could also be a factor. I know trest had e shaking during the day. Even at 80mg a week I'm. Willing to take any and all suggestions and advice. It hasn't effected me and the new lady but it will if this keeps progressing negatively.
 
I struggle with severe anxiety from time to time as well. The best thing I can say is find someone to talk to who really understands you. It's best if they can be there in person. Hope you feel better, man.
 
liftandswim said:
I struggle with severe anxiety from time to time as well. The best thing I can say is find someone to talk to who really understands you. It's best if they can be there in person. Hope you feel better, man.
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Thanks man. I appriciate it. I've been opening up to my girl. She has been more then supportive. But its hard for me to really talk about it due to the fact that I never have with anyone. Just always sucked up and delt with it. Hormones seem to make it worse. Well some. They do effect your brain so it makes sense. I know preg in people who don't need it can cause anxiety where it would do the opposite in those that need it.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Thanks man. I appriciate it. I've been opening up to my girl. She has been more then supportive. But its hard for me to really talk about it due to the fact that I never have with anyone. Just always sucked up and delt with it. Hormones seem to make it worse. Well some. They do effect your brain so it makes sense. I know preg in people who don't need it can cause anxiety where it would do the opposite in those that need it.
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Yeah, bottling it up ain't the way to go. I don't know what I would've done if I didn't have anyone to talk to. My current girlfriend is especially helpful. You'd be surprised how understanding almost anyone can be though. Everyone has their own issues, brother.

And I don't see any reason you should be cruising on anything but test and your AI if you need it.
 
liftandswim said:
Yeah, bottling it up ain't the way to go. I don't know what I would've done if I didn't have anyone to talk to. My current girlfriend is especially helpful. You'd be surprised how understanding almost anyone can be though. Everyone has their own issues, brother.

And I don't see any reason you should be cruising on anything but test and your AI if you need it.
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Yeah I'm not trying to let it effect my life like it usually does. It has ruined relationships in the past for me bc I couldn't explain it and I was coming off strange. Thanks for the kind words. I do appriciate it. I'm hoping she can be someone I can lean on. So far she has though.

That is all I'm on ATM. I'm just trying to dial it all in ATM. I would just do bw but I'm waiting to more weeks for that. So by feel I go. Which is quite horrible lol.
 
7/5/15-deload lower
Warmup
Usual stuff
Close stance 1s pause beltless front squats
275x2x5
1in deficit beltless conv pulls with opposite grip
315x5
365x5
Ghrs
Bwx2x10
Planks
60s/30s
Notes: good and fast day. Knees didn't bother me at all today? Odd but the more quad work I do the better they feel. The pause fronts felt really good and gave me a reason to wear my oly shoes. The conv pulls sucked. Overall easy but my low back was on fire lol. Not use to them at all. Ready for the next block. Trying to stay positive through this phase of mental craziness. Trying to get a new job by the school I want to attend and near the gf. Currently in the middle of one I really want. Hoping I get it!
 
Gf is a keeper. She effectively talked me down and accepted all of my anxiety. I am beyond relieved. Thanks so much liftswim you helped too.
 
liftandswim said:
No problem, man. Anytime

Fronts! Need to try mixing up my grip too...
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I just started with 135 using the opposite girl and it wasn't to weird actually. But I also think it helped I used the opposite stance pull too. So I'm hitting a lot of things all at once with that lift.
 
7/6/15-upper
Warm up
Usual stuff
Cat comp bench 60% for time paused
80%-275x1
205x5x5 in 10min
Wide grip paused bench pec focus
155x4x10
Db rows
100x5x10
Skullcrushers/db curls/facepulls
95x10/25x12/45x15, 2 sets
95x12/25x12/45x15
95x12/25x15/45x15
Notes: good first real day after the deload. Was able to comp bench no problem. Was super easy and hit the sets in 10 min with little problem. Conditioning is at an all time high. The rest was good. Gonna build up to 20 work sets per session then start pushing some numbers and reps. Anxiety is gone today. Skipped the derm just in case.
 
Ok just looking for outside ideas here. My job messed up my insurance again so I will be in the self medicated route for a little longer. I have been trying to cruise on about 250mg test since I lost my insurance last year. I have also struggled with keeping my hormones in check, libido, and "performance" since then. I've hit good periods and some really bad ones. I will be getting bw done next week most likely. I am once again facing some similar issues. I have things on back up to not slip up with the gf but I'd rather to not need them. So if I'm to assume my source is good. And I did a lot of hw and all the recent by others points to a quality product. Would you:

A) continue at 250mg till bw and just deal with the issues until you see it on paper.
B) lower the dose to a dose your previous trt bw (150mg with no ai) was done at that you felt great on and wait a few more weeks and test there assuming your issues clear up.

This is a long read but I'd appreciate any feedback, critical thinking, ect. I know most don't have experience with this but I'm really tired of not performing and not having a strong libido and it does effect me mentally too. I tried to stay 250mg due to it being a higher dose and thus it would help more with strength/performance but never being dialed in just sucks.
 
I would love to help but I have no experience and don't even want to venture a guess

All I can say is GL and I hope u or someone can sort it out
 
Duramaxhd said:
I would love to help but I have no experience and don't even want to venture a guess

All I can say is GL and I hope u or someone can sort it out
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I appreciate it man. I'm gonna most likely drop the dose. Bc I do plan to go back on legit trt so I'd have to lower the dose eventually. Plus my progress isn't anything ground breaking on 250 to keep me there anyways. I've been on the fence about this for a good while.
 
I seems odd to me that a person of your age and fitness level would have needed trt or was there a previous usage that caused the need
 
Duramaxhd said:
I seems odd to me that a person of your age and fitness level would have needed trt or was there a previous usage that caused the need
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Previous usage as a teen and I have a benign cist on my pituitary. So I most likely always had an underlying condition that the previous usage brought to light. I pctd after my last cycle when I was younger and waited a year before going to the Dr. My total t was in the low 3s and my lh and FSH were both very low. I had ed and no sex drive for almost a year. At 19 years old. Not fun.

Edit: and here I am again dealing with the same thing? Yup I've made up my mind lol.
 
Damn dude that had to be hard I really hope u get it sorted out and even thou I have no experience going back to trt lvls seems like a safe bet
 
Duramaxhd said:
Damn dude that had to be hard I really hope u get it sorted out and even thou I have no experience going back to trt lvls seems like a safe bet
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Yeah it does. Being stronger and bigger is always nice. But I doubt the difference is huge from 150-250mg. If anything its all mental anyways.
 
I'm with DMax, I wish I could help here, but I would just be guessing(no help). I just wish you the best with this.
 
rob112 said:
I'm with DMax, I wish I could help here, but I would just be guessing(no help). I just wish you the best with this.
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Thanks man. I know no one has experience. I was just curious what you would do in my position. The big thing I need to do is blood work. As I believe my issues are all estrogen balance related. When estrogen was in the right place everything was great. No I don't have bw to back that up but there were times in various blasts and cruises I tried different things and had an immediate negative effect.
 
If I was in your spot and insurance was tough I would attempt to find something where someone had success dealing with the same or close to the same situation. Could take lots of searching, but couldn't hurt. Once you have bloods then you can narrow what you are looking for.
 
rob112 said:
If I was in your spot and insurance was tough I would attempt to find something where someone had success dealing with the same or close to the same situation. Could take lots of searching, but couldn't hurt. Once you have bloods then you can narrow what you are looking for.
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Bloods will be the biggest thing. Since major struggle has been finding properly dosed test. Its odd since so many guys use it and its the cheapest to make. If my current place doesn't pan out I know where to go. I just didn't want to wait 6 weeks plus order international plus pay an arm and a leg.
 
Hey just popping in here again to see how things are going. Fwiw I've used dermacrine for very long periods of time at 2-4 pumps and never had to increase my AI, even when blasting. I've only had to use 12.5mg aromasin, on the days I pin (cyp, twice a week) and everything's been solid. I'm usually very sensitive to E2 fluctuations as well.
 
Gutterpump said:
Hey just popping in here again to see how things are going. Fwiw I've used dermacrine for very long periods of time at 2-4 pumps and never had to increase my AI, even when blasting. I've only had to use 12.5mg aromasin, on the days I pin (cyp, twice a week) and everything's been solid. I'm usually very sensitive to E2 fluctuations as well.
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Have you had bw done on it to see if it did or did not effect you estrogen levels? I'm just not feeling great and I have a new lady so I'm not willing to continue with this. If I was single I'd just play it by ear and do bw when I planned to double check my new source.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Have you had bw done on it to see if it did or did not effect you estrogen levels? I'm just not feeling great and I have a new lady so I'm not willing to continue with this. If I was single I'd just play it by ear and do bw when I planned to double check my new source.
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Haven't had bw on it no, I rate my estrogen levels based on hardness of wood / function usually.
 
Gutterpump said:
Haven't had bw on it no, I rate my estrogen levels based on hardness of wood / function usually.
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Really? Is that a reliable method? I mean I plan to do bw anyways. But I've haven't had good success in the last year trying to do that on a cruise. Blasts seem to be a little better though.
 
Some thoughts:

Preg is likely the source of your anxiety (from a hormonal-influence perspective, at least). This is why I recommended to dose on feel, here and there, and NOT e/d unless you slowly work into that. It is POWERFUL for both men and women, and people's needs and tolerance vary dramatically.

250 ugl test is likely lest than 150 pharm, man. It's just not the same quality - there's a reason pro bbuilders use pharm. They can get it, it's consistent and it's much more pure. So you're likely not blasting your e2 levels into oblivion with the extra 100/wk to begin with, nevermind the difference in quality. Definitely don't drop the AI, unless you're very dry and have a lot of obvious low estro symptoms - I'd keep everything the same and get some online orders for bloodwork ordered for sure. If you go through labcorp you could get a test tomorrow and have your results emailed to you 3-4 days from now at most.

Also, do you pull sumo for your comp stance?? How did I miss that???
 
SweetLou321 said:
Really? Is that a reliable method? I mean I plan to do bw anyways. But I've haven't had good success in the last year trying to do that on a cruise. Blasts seem to be a little better though.
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Somewhat reliable. Over the years on TRT, I've managed to tweak my AI useage depending on how I feel, and how I'm functioning. I still get labs from time to time though. I tend to base my dosing protocol on sexual function and mood as indicators. High/Low E2 = poor mood (irritable, etc), low quality erections, etc.
 
Also, it's fairly normal for some people to have performance issues when starting with someone new. The anxiety of a new relationship can easily do this. A beta-blocker can really help, my doc gave me some propranolol for this reason, just to take as needed (not daily). Really helps with any sort of performance related anxiety.
 
Hyde said:
Some thoughts:

Preg is likely the source of your anxiety (from a hormonal-influence perspective, at least). This is why I recommended to dose on feel, here and there, and NOT e/d unless you slowly work into that. It is POWERFUL for both men and women, and people's needs and tolerance vary dramatically.

250 ugl test is likely lest than 150 pharm, man. It's just not the same quality - there's a reason pro bbuilders use pharm. They can get it, it's consistent and it's much more pure. So you're likely not blasting your e2 levels into oblivion with the extra 100/wk to begin with, nevermind the difference in quality. Definitely don't drop the AI, unless you're very dry and have a lot of obvious low estro symptoms - I'd keep everything the same and get some online orders for bloodwork ordered for sure. If you go through labcorp you could get a test tomorrow and have your results emailed to you 3-4 days from now at most.

Also, do you pull sumo for your comp stance?? How did I miss that???
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I cut the preg out and immediately calmed down again. I can't handle it I guess.

I agree its probably underdosed. I wasn't using an ai on it at all. As I've had zero indications I needed one. No bloat, gyno, nothing. But I also had little to no sides when my e2 tested at 100. So idk if I should add one or not.

Yes my comp stance is sumo. Has been for a few years now. Took a long time to build it up. Geared lifting really helped me learn the lift.
 
Gutterpump said:
Somewhat reliable. Over the years on TRT, I've managed to tweak my AI useage depending on how I feel, and how I'm functioning. I still get labs from time to time though. I tend to base my dosing protocol on sexual function and mood as indicators. High/Low E2 = poor mood (irritable, etc), low quality erections, etc.
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Ah I gotcha. When I was on legit trt I never used an ai other then of erase. Actually I never used a pharm ai until the last year after I lost I'm insurance. It has yet to pan out for me except during my blasts. Before trt I just used mast with test to help with estrogen.
 
Gutterpump said:
Also, it's fairly normal for some people to have performance issues when starting with someone new. The anxiety of a new relationship can easily do this. A beta-blocker can really help, my doc gave me some propranolol for this reason, just to take as needed (not daily). Really helps with any sort of performance related anxiety.
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To bad I don't have insurance or I'd get that. As I already suffer from anxiety so the new relationship just added to it. She is cool about it all but I'd also like to perform for her and myself.
 
7/8/15-lower
Warmup
Usual stuff
Cat squat at 60% beltless for time
80%-385x1
60%-285x5x5, 11min
5s week sumo deadlift beltless
65%-355x5
75%-405x5
85%-455x10
Bss quad focus
45x4x10
Abs wheel paused
4x10
Notes: my squat is my best lift but trying to squat out if a rack is really throwing me off. Grabbing outside the rack has me feeling loose but my groove is more like my mono squat. Grabbing inside is tighter but I can't sit in the same groove. I like to grab where nearly every rack holds the bar. Any tips welcome. Deadlift is back. I smashed my top set today with room to spare. That is a 600lb estimated beltless pull. The rest of hypertrophy work.
 
Nice top set on deads man. Unfortunately i cant help much about the squat problem. I have my pinky or ring finger on the ring for squats.
 
jswain34 said:
Nice top set on deads man. Unfortunately i cant help much about the squat problem. I have my pinky or ring finger on the ring for squats.
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Thanks man. Yeah that would have my pitched forward hard. I squat a lot like duffin. So I like the wider grips. I think I found a grip. We will see next week though.
 
I was messing with that today lol I found index on the ring or just past works well for me in the crap racks

That is an awsome top set on deads man I'm jealous of deads and bench while I'm at it
 
Duramaxhd said:
I was messing with that today lol I found index on the ring or just past works well for me I. The crap racks

That is an awsome top set on deads man I'm jealous of deads and bench while I'm at it
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Damn idk how you guys grab so close. I'm not overly tight or big. But I can't pull my rig cage down and use my lats that narrow.

Thanks man! Deadlift is a lift I seem to progress on for no reason. Thatsy first good pull since the meet and it felt perfect. We will see what the next phase brings for my squat and bench PRS. Once I lock my squat position down on a rack I'll be happy. I plan to move for school soon and the powerlifting gym there doesn't have a mono so that's why I'm addressing it now.
 
Cause and effect man, rack is to Damn narrow so I hafe to adapt and bring my grip in sucks but after a while u get use to it
 
I go thumbless and wrap my fingers on the bar right where the rack is. When I Get it out of the rack, then I pull down and in on it.
 
Beast mode session dude. So in CAT training do you feel something heavier than what the work sets will be? Typically?
 
rob112 said:
Beast mode session dude. So in CAT training do you feel something heavier than what the work sets will be? Typically?
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I am now. I didn't before. I know bryd doesn't do this but Bryant suggests you do. It makes the lighter work feel even lighter and so you can really apply some effort into the bar.

Thanks man!
 
SweetLou321 said:
To bad I don't have insurance or I'd get that. As I already suffer from anxiety so the new relationship just added to it. She is cool about it all but I'd also like to perform for her and myself.
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Have you looked into or tried PT-141? It works when everything else fails. In other words, it never fails. Really amazing stuff, and cheap. 1 tiny shot is good for 24hrs.
 
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