What do you guys think of Iron Legion X1-KT?
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vujade
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I liked it, but felt is was severely underdosed. It only had like 85mg per 1ml serving & 30 servings per bottle.
Recommended dosage by PA was around 250mg per day. So you would need to take about 3ml per day.
Bottle only lasts 10 days at that dosage.
IL discontinued 11 xi-kt during the ban in January 2015.
I personally ran it at 2ml per day results were pretty good, but kind of expensive because it cost me $120
to run it for 6 weeks.
cubs1987
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whoa I didn't know it was dosed that low... shoot
vujade
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No PCT needed. None suppressive iin nature.
Yep. pretty low. Not going to see much effects @ 1ml per day.
vujade
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Depends on your goals..?
vujade
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If you want to try something new.. Black Lion Research has a new Transdermal AI coming out this week.
It has 2 AI's plus 2 fat burners in it. The logs so far during the beta run have been very positive. People
are leaning out like crazy, getting dry and vascular.
anabolix
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1 bottle at 1.5ml is what, like a week and a half for you to gauge it's effectiveness lol? Not much works that fast.
vujade
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1 bottle at 1.5ml is what, like a week and a half for you to gauge it's effectiveness lol? Not much works that fast.
1.5ml is actually 20 days or 3 weeks.
1ml - 30 applications
1.5ml - 20 applications
2ml - 15 applicatations
3ml - 10 applicatations
3ml is would be a week and half. Not 1.5ml. Unless you were doing 1.5ml twice a day :bigok:
I think the problem with Xi - kt is not its effectiveness, but its effectiveness at the dosage IL was/is selling.
The bottle should have either had more mg per ml or they should have had more ml per bottle.
Each 1ml application is only 85mg of 11 Keto.
11 Keto is pretty effective when dosed from 170 - 250mg per day.
Thats 2ml to 3ml per day @ 85mg per ml. Gets pretty expensive @ $42-44 per bottle
Lexonis
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1 bottle at 1.5ml is what, like a week and a half for you to gauge it's effectiveness lol? Not much works that fast.
Did the first 14 days 1ml and last 10 days 1,5ml that's 3 weeks and half not 1 week and half. I just followed the dosing recommendation that was listed on the bottle witch was 1ml. I'll try the the 11-oxo oral next time after my sarm cycle is done.
Joedoubledose
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I'm confused is 11-oxo still legal in the us?
Lexonis
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anabolix
Member
That still isn't very long for it to work. Most people use it for longer. You were probably just about to start noticing it's effects when you quit.
WigBrah
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I've just finished a 6 week cycle dosed at 1.5ml p/d and am really quite happy with it. So much so that I contemplated buying another two bottles just to keep in stock before it disappears, since it's not being produced any more.
Was looking to recomp and I was losing fat and maintaining muscle by only reducing my daily caloric intake from 3,200 to 3,100 kcals. For me, delt striations noticeably came through, and for the first time I saw veins up by my shoulders when getting a pump. Top 4 abs and obliques were also coming through; can see these with a bit of flexing in day light. (Somewhat unfortunately I've got a long torso, so I deceivingly look slim as I carry all my fat round my torso but it's, like, stretched out. Will take a concentrated effort for me to see any lower abs.)
All-in-all, like I said, at a 100 calorie deficit I was happpy. I think this would work great if I went on a proper cut.
That being said, this was my first time taking anything hormonal. Dipping my toes into it all. I know PCT isn't needed but I'm running Alphamax for a month and then I'm going to take the next baby step and try a 1AD/4AD stack (my protocol from 2015 onwards now is to lean bulk for 4-5 months and mini cut for 1-1.5 months).
Only downside was that it smelt a bit plastic-y/synthetic...
Was looking to recomp and I was losing fat and maintaining muscle by only reducing my daily caloric intake from 3,200 to 3,100 kcals. For me, delt striations noticeably came through, and for the first time I saw veins up by my shoulders when getting a pump. Top 4 abs and obliques were also coming through; can see these with a bit of flexing in day light. (Somewhat unfortunately I've got a long torso, so I deceivingly look slim as I carry all my fat round my torso but it's, like, stretched out. Will take a concentrated effort for me to see any lower abs.)
All-in-all, like I said, at a 100 calorie deficit I was happpy. I think this would work great if I went on a proper cut.
That being said, this was my first time taking anything hormonal. Dipping my toes into it all. I know PCT isn't needed but I'm running Alphamax for a month and then I'm going to take the next baby step and try a 1AD/4AD stack (my protocol from 2015 onwards now is to lean bulk for 4-5 months and mini cut for 1-1.5 months).
Only downside was that it smelt a bit plastic-y/synthetic...
HIT4ME
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As Geoforce has said, this is a moot thread. But I will jump in anyway. Vujade hit the nail on the head. It is under dosed but good. I bought a bunch of bottles for around $33 each and dosed for around 60 days going up to 4 ML/day for weeks. It was good. It had a leaning effect even on a less than stellar diet. I wish the 11-Oxo and 11-KT stuff wasn't banned....and I wish that IL put more of the active in this product. 3-4 ML/day was when it was powerful for cutting IMO, but 4 ML/day and you should have some PCT, IMO.
rmoses123
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a little off topic here, but I'm also interested in 1/4 andro stack,
what do you think about it, and what will you use for cycle support and pct?
thanks!
WigBrah
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In terms of what I think about it; it's worth a try. I'm not expecting huge amounts - I'll be running for 6 weeks at recommended doses and looking for 1lb of lean mass per week. Part of me is just curious to see the differences they may or may not make, how my body responds to them. For what it's worth, I'll be running 1AD for weeks 1-6 stacked with 4AD for weeks 1-4 and Epiandro for weeks 3-6.
Cycle support - I don't really see a need, from my understanding. I was thinking of OL Ar1macare Pro for the AI and just general health on the basis that 4AD may aromatise, but that would seem remote, plus some of the ingredients may negate the use of Epiandro later (i.e. blocking DHT). I may just buy arimistane separately.
PCT will just be something OTC.
I'm not speaking with any authority btw. These are just my thoughts after reading and, like I said, taking baby steps into a PH cycle at the beginning of next year, plus just curious. I'm 30 years old and starting lifting almost 3 years ago, so feel like I'm at an age where it's at least worth a try, especially now I'm at a stage where I know what my body responds well to in terms of nutrition and lifting.