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Supreme Court rules states must allow same-sex marriage

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Do you even relate to what you post? WTF are you talking about. I never brought up religion in the first place.

Youre talking about how god designed me to be

So I'm confused


I only brought it in as separation of church and state;
As the biggest opposition to this ordeal was always religions

And it had no real basis being illegal all along before in my books.
 
That site is all about religion and is totally biased & full of cherry-picking nonsense. Try a valid source next time. As a bodybuilding forum with pro-hormone discussions, it's clear you know how to use pubmed, so there's really no excuse for providing a link that's encircled entirely behind religious beliefs. Also, your religion is just that: a belief. To purport someone is "less than" because they don't share your beliefs...yeah...I feel like that may be a general problem for you, bud. Also, if you ever shaved in your life, you're also a sinner too...just by the way. Additionally, feel free to tell me about all of the concubines you're keeping.

Secondly, you're really misinformed about where the rainbow flag originates from and what it means in regards to people of different sexualities. It was inspired by a flag that was made to celebrate race differences. So, um, notice a pattern much? As far as what the White House did, I think it's more important to see it as an act of acceptance than anything else. I am saying this as someone who isn't gay, but also realize that it's wrong to be exclusionary when it comes to people having rights. If I took away your rights, but someone else was guaranteed something you were denied & needed for the myriad of legal benefits, I'm sure you'd be walking to a different tune. If you don't see other people having the same rights as you as something that's acceptable, like others have said, please move. If you want to live in a nation that dictates what certain people do isn't okay even though it effects absolutely no one else, that's cool, but maybe it's time you move to a country where being different is criminalized.

Just lulz.

Origin of the rainbow flag doesn't matter. It's representation is related to homosexuality now. Just as the confederate flag has a racial tie to it. Illuminating the White House with rainbow colors essentially said, this nation as a whole is ok with same-sex marriage, when we're all not.

That White House is owned by the people, let's not forget that.
 
^ we still have racists too,
Not all of America supports coloured people in the country.
Nor did they all want the end of slavery.

Doesn't mean we can as a whole leave room for that form of discrimination

Or any discrimination.

I see this as a step forward.
 
Only a man and a woman can pro-create, that should tell you something. I don't care if men love men and women love women. Laws of nature prohibit creation of life for these individuals. This ruling is an utter disgrace upon the sanctity of marriage. And yes, I have gay friends, but c'mon, this is stupidity at it's finest. However, because of the government in place, I'm not surprised at all. Sodom and Gomorrah is the new USA. I'm done as I believe we all are.
 
^ we still have racists too,
Not all of America supports coloured people in the country.
Nor did they all want the end of slavery.

Doesn't mean we can as a whole leave room for that form of discrimination

Or any discrimination.

I see this as a step forward.

What? Did we illuminate the White House with black lights? Slavery/racism has nothing to do with this? I was proving a point with the flags, origin has no value now.

Again, lighting the nations symbol of power, with what is associated with the gay community and homosexuality (the rainbow flag) is disgusting, and isn't what all the people of this "great" nation agree with.

They shouldn't have done it, plain and simple.
 
Illuminating the White House with rainbow colors essentially said, this nation as a whole is ok with same-sex marriage, when we're all not. That White House is owned by the people, let's not forget that.


I dont care if not all people agree

Discrimination gets overruled in a just society

Rainbow should have been in letters "we're sorry"

Lol
 
Only a man and a woman can pro-create, that should tell you something. I don't care if men love men and women love women. Laws of nature prohibit creation of life for these individuals. This ruling is an utter disgrace upon the sanctity of marriage. And yes, I have gay friends, but c'mon, this is stupidity at it's finest. However, because of the government in place, I'm not surprised at all. Sodom and Gomorrah is the new USA. I'm done as I believe we all are.

Is the only purpose of marriage to procreate?

I'm thinking no...
 
Absolutely not. But, deconstruction of either male/female body says yes.

Women were given eggs, men sperm. So, procreation was MEANT between male and female.

Law of Nature. I don't understand homosexuality and I never will.

Same as marijuana being Federally illegal, but allows states to decide. I don't understand. This should be the same with regarding this. I know my state wouldn't allow homosexual marriages if not for the Federal government.
 
Absolutely not. But, deconstruction of either male/female body says yes. Women were given eggs, men sperm. So, procreation was MEANT between male and female.

By evolution to further the species, of course reproduction works this way

Not for any mystical reason otherwise



Procreation was meant for man/woman
Agreed

Marriage is involved with this?
No
 
How do 2 married men have sex? Um... Law of Nature.

Lol I'm not qualified to answer this

But they want it

If they want to commit to someone the rest of their life and you cant agree you obviously just don't understand it
 
Only a man and a woman can pro-create, that should tell you something. I don't care if men love men and women love women. Laws of nature prohibit creation of life for these individuals. This ruling is an utter disgrace upon the sanctity of marriage. And yes, I have gay friends, but c'mon, this is stupidity at it's finest. However, because of the government in place, I'm not surprised at all. Sodom and Gomorrah is the new USA. I'm done as I believe we all are.

I am a married man and father of a 12 year old girl. Out of curiosity, how does this ruling have any impact on my marriage?

I don't see a change at all.
 
Lol I'm not qualified to answer this

But they want it

If they want to commit to someone the rest of their life and you cant agree you obviously just don't understand it

It's one thing to commit, it's another to have a marriage license. It's because of all this mess that I had to have a discussion with my 5 year old. I shouldn't have had to have it.
 
By evolution to further the species, of course reproduction works this way

Not for any mystical reason otherwise



Procreation was meant for man/woman
Agreed

Marriage is involved with this?
No

Perhaps it was designed this way for a reason? (procreation)

Biblically, marriage is very much involved with procreation-but of course not to pre-believers.


And btw I love and pray for all of you in this thread
 
Yes, pray for me because I'm struggling with passing judgement on homosexuals as I'm afraid many Christians are. It is not our duty to judge but to love. But for Pete's sake...
 
Not sure if this is been answered...but what are gays gonna do if the pastor/priest refuses to wed them? Im sure thats gonna happen! By law, do pastors have to wed gays?
 
Not sure if this is been answered...but what are gays gonna do if the pastor/priest refuses to wed them? Im sure thats gonna happen! By law, do pastors have to wed gays?

As of now no. However, we all know how that goes. It's like the way obomacare was pitched-you can keep your current insurance plan and provider if you want. Yeah right-obviously that was a blatant lie.

Right now they say you can keep your religion. Right now Justice Anthony Kennedy said “that religious organizations and persons [will be] given proper protection.”

As we all know-it is only a matter of time until that changes. At the very least they could take away their tax exempt status.

Unfortunately things are getting out of control. I just watched a guy go to Walmart and ask to have two cakes made-one was an Isis flag and the other one was a condederate flag with a saying about heritage not racism (something like that)

Walmart made the Isis flag without question but refused to make the confederate flag. Is this not the exact same thing that happened to the Christian bakers who lost their business they had for twenty years?

Sad double standard.
 
I had Obama care for a few months when I was unemployed and also when I had a job that didn't offer medical benefits. I was able to keep my current carrier and actually got a better plan. I got the silver plan and it covered 96% ( I think). I kept my doctor (who I've been with for 8 years) and the only thing that changed were my copays (they got cheaper). When I got a new job, my premiums changed from $36 a month to $200 but I still kept the same benefits and doctors. Obamacare is good for a short period of time and I only used it as a peace of mind (kinda like life insurance) until I got a better job that offered benefits.
 
Don't talk about real life benefits and reality in this thread (or this board). The same people repeat the same fallacies and are immune to progress.

Plus they all Love Phil
 
I'm glad it worked for you puccah (honestly)

That being said- even the media called it the lie of the year a while back. It was a blatant lie plain and simple.
 
I'm glad it worked for you puccah (honestly)

That being said- even the media called it the lie of the year a while back. It was a blatant lie plain and simple.

Thank you, it was only a temporary thing for me. Many people don't understand the importance of having insurance but it's definitely not something you want to be on forever.
 
What I find amusing is that the US is one of the last countries to follow suit in the western world yet the only one to have had such a massive uproar about it.

When ever anything is challenged, many act like the end of the world is near. Oh no theyre taking away my slaves! Oh no theyre allowing women to vote! Oh no gays are getting married! Since when were your rights more important than someone elses? The only reason this affects non gays and lesbians is if you choose to be involved. Let people be happy and enjoy the one shot at life they have.

Im from a Christian background, im not homophobic but I dont agree with the lifestyle yet it doesnt concern me what people do in their lives. Im just here enjoying my own
 
What I find amusing is that the US is one of the last countries to follow suit in the western world yet the only one to have had such a massive uproar about it.

When ever anything is challenged, many act like the end of the world is near. Oh no theyre taking away my slaves! Oh no theyre allowing women to vote! Oh no gays are getting married! Since when were your rights more important than someone elses? The only reason this affects non gays and lesbians is if you choose to be involved. Let people be happy and enjoy the one shot at life they have.

Im from a Christian background, im not homophobic but I dont agree with the lifestyle yet it doesnt concern me what people do in their lives. Im just here enjoying my own

That was my point entirely. I never insinuated that the white house had openly showed support like this before, but it's not a bad idea to show national acceptance of a group of people who were once severely stigmatized.

I won't make any arguments further because all of the opposition's argument comes from cherrypicking and failure to see a bigger picture. If you don't value a world where ALL people can pursue happiness, well, have fun being miserable.
 
No. I am responding to your comment about it "hurting" marriage. This decision has not hurt my marriage
Then why do you act if you're hurt or even care about a lifestyle you aren't part of? Just shut up and let other people have the same rights as you. If it's wrong, then that's for your god to finally decide, not you.
 
Then why do you act if you're hurt or even care about a lifestyle you aren't part of? Just shut up and let other people have the same rights as you. If it's wrong, then that's for your god to finally decide, not you.

you are a tad off base with your response. Please use better reading skills to understand which side of the argument I am on.
 
Whatever makes you happy. My gym has tons of gays and not to stereotype, but damn most of them are happy, nice, and keep the gym clean so more power to them!
 
Haha I know, but hey I respect someone that cleans up their crap when their done. Ive been to different gyms where you have to search for DBs because none of the "bad a**es" take the extra minute to rerack their weights.
 
Whatever makes you happy. My gym has tons of gays and not to stereotype, but damn most of them are happy, nice, and keep the gym clean so more power to them!

Keep the gym clean? Lol, holy hell.

Haha I know, but hey I respect someone that cleans up their crap when their done. Ive been to different gyms where you have to search for DBs because none of the "bad a**es" take the extra minute to rerack their weights.
Too late! You both already did.
I'm sure you meant in the most loving and respectful way...:kiss:

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Davie Dunn sure puts the "mo' sex" in "homosexual"
 
Interesting thoughts about the whole idea of the birds and the bees discussion with children of same sex couples. I really want to hear those "procreational" "heterosexual biological" discussions, both to the boy and the girl, that don't slant the new optional "orientations" in their lives.

You know Mommy, I really think boys have the coodies (a very natural (pre)pubescent thought process for a girl) and I decided I would rather like girls like you and Mommy do. We both like dolls, dresses, baking, and mani-pedis and we're already besties. We can have a family just like you and Mommy did...

You know Daddy, I really think girls are ickie (a very natural (pre)pubescent thought process for a boy) and I decided I would rather like boys like you and Daddy do. We both like baseball, dirt bikes, skateboards and video game and we're already best bros. We can have a family just like you and Daddy did...

You tell me that same sex marriage doesn't effect anyone but the couple. I call BS!

What we live we learn. What we learn we practice. What we practice we become. What we become has consequences.

Children (maternal or adopted) model their roles. I hear time and time again how being LGBT is not a choice but rather a destiny by birth. Yet all of science and psychology tell us a ton about the nature and nurture influences in our emotional and psychological (and sexual) development yet we never ever want to consider it valid when it comes to being LGBT or the effects it will have in same sex marriage. I promise you that this influence on the new born/infant/toddler will dramatically alter/influence their psyho/sexual identities and orientation.

Which one of you intelligent people cannot see how this will influence everyone and everything going forward. It's already going on quietly under the veil or shroud of silence because of discrimination. So its not to say the influence isn't already in our species. I mean after all many of you guys support this as if you were gay. Statistically speaking we are all even less than 6° separated from gay either genetically, economically or socially. As stated many times, I have a brother and step-brother who are gay. My daughters gymnastics coach came out...ect., ect. I'm no different than anyone else.

We are altering the natural heterosexual, psyho/sexual, preconceived/predisposition and/or orientation/identity by displaying and offering a "choice" of "selection" that will effect the destiny of our ancestral legacy as well as species legacy forever.

This would be called the "evolution" of the species and the "progress" that some claim we need to make to be free and equal.

This has nothing to do with God (although their are many of you douchebags that can separate my faith and my mind to consider to validate a single point I make) or religion at all. Consider the width and breadth and depth of the influence on our species this will have over the next 50,100, 500 years. What will a "traditional" unit of family resemble?

I am sincerely not placing judgement or value on it in any way related to God or law or at all. What will this look like and are you really considering anything other than immediate need for acceptance (aka:gratification)? There are ramifications to every action. What will the cost be? Will it be fruitful over the existence of our species or will it be the demise? Do I not have the rights or the liberties to insist that this be considered?

Hipster warning - If you have, "it will be cool", "everyone will be happy", "everyone will be themselves", "as long as there is love" as a bull**** answer don't bother replying.

EDIT: for example - the effort it will take to "cultivate" a family will be much more "intentional" being via artificial or financial means of choice. Consider the decline in spontaneous unwed births, unplanned births in early marriage, unexpected late marriage births and remarriage births. How will this effect our populations. It won't be as easy to "reproduce" or "procreate" on accident like we do now. Consider the impact gender selection will have in selecting a fetus at in vitro fertilization. As we "evolve" and "progress" to being more gay how will these effect our species?

The whole divorce custody alimony and child support issue will be epic...
 
Nice rant, but length of prose doesn't equal logical prose.

Step off the ledge, man
 
"We are altering..."
"Yet all of science and psychology tell us a ton about the nature and nurture influences in our emotional and psychological (and sexual) development..."

Tell me more about your degrees and background in genetics, biology, family development, etc.

My brother didn't choose to be gay. It wasn't "nurture/nature" as you present it. Why would he be gay and yet me, my older brother, and sister all not be?

Children of gay spouses wouldn't be "forced" to be anything by their parents as you seem to think. They'd be allowed to develop and explore their natures as their parents were allowed to.

I'm sure your daughter didn't want to go into competitive figure shows, but maybe the environment of her alcoholic father forced her to become strong because of his weakness. Perhaps on that you could respond regarding choice versus nature.
 
"We are altering..."
"Yet all of science and psychology tell us a ton about the nature and nurture influences in our emotional and psychological (and sexual) development..."

Tell me more about your degrees and background in genetics, biology, family development, etc.
I don't need to have a degree in the field to know these are facts. As a student of self-help/recovery there are many lay person programs that I have been in first hand that analyze and present these principle as well. I've learned these from the child perspective as well as the parent. You really have no clue about this? If you don't validate my point I must be wrong?

My brother didn't choose to be gay. It wasn't "nurture/nature" as you present it. Why would he be gay and yet me, my older brother, and sister all not be?
33% is progress. That was why I said over time...50, 100, yrs. 33% is certainly altering to a great deal. When he and his gay husband cultivate a family how will it greater influence the probability. Because you wont validate my premiss it and I must be wrong?

Children of gay spouses wouldn't be "forced" to be anything by their parents as you seem to think. They'd be allowed to develop and explore their natures as their parents were allowed to.
You are proposing that this nature would not be altered yet you'll have same sex families likely exposing them to more same sex families than the hetero sex family ordinarily would. Altering their exposure and stimuli to a greater degree toward a same sex comfort and nature. Because you won't validate my premiss I must be wrong?

I'm sure your daughter didn't want to go into competitive figure shows, but maybe the environment of her alcoholic father forced her to become strong because of his weakness. Perhaps on that you could respond regarding choice versus nature.
In my years of recovery I developed my lifestyle of fitness and as a model of that she developed a desire for the same. Ask her. She also likes to drink. Don't be a prick if you can help it!

I'm closed minded? Sounds like you are selectively "open minded".
 
Bull****!

I didnt read your whole post, I stopped at cooties but are you really saying that because girls think boys are "icky" and vice versa, theyre going to become lesbian/ gay so they dont get cooties?
 
I think at the end of the day, like it or not, the world is changing. We all need to learn to adapt.


I have no problem having an "uncomfortable" conversation with my daughter if she asks about gay marriage etc....bear in mind, gay marriage is different than gay sex. Two entirely different conversations.
 
May be completely off the point, but what i think David Dunn is trying to say is that the LG community is gonna explode now! Think about it....all of the gays that get married, they are eventually gonna want to raise a child. The likely hood of that child to be gay(whether girl or boy) is gonna be increased just due to the fact that they were raised by a gay couple. Think about it....it only makes sense...in the future generations to come, i can guarantee there will be a HUGE increase in gay people! Just my .02 cents.
 
May be completely off the point, but what i think David Dunn is trying to say is that the LG community is gonna explode now! Think about it....all of the gays that get married, they are eventually gonna want to raise a child. The likely hood of that child to be gay(whether girl or boy) is gonna be increased just due to the fact that they were raised by a gay couple. Think about it....it only makes sense...in the future generations to come, i can guarantee there will be a HUGE increase in gay people! Just my .02 cents.

Doubt this.

I dont see it over ruling natures attraction to the opposite sex in those who would be hetero
 
Doubt this.

I dont see it over ruling natures attraction to the opposite sex in those who would be hetero
you don't see it so then case closed...right? It must be impossible because you doubt it?! More bull****!

I still have no issue in this topic other than the ignorant rose colored lenses bs that you guys post. It's a happily ever after world with no cause and effect and impact in any capacity whatsoever. Again, I'm closed minded? bull****!

Your "belief" is equally viewable as ignorant as you propose mine is of a God!
 
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