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SD Rebuild and Epi Rebuild Bridge

rmurphy1

rmurphy1

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So I have decided to start my next cycle after a few years off. I have consistently lifted for the past 7 years but it's been a few years since my last cycle. In the past I have done a few cycles of Tren (CEL Tren Xtreme) as well as 2 Epi cycles. I have researched for the past 3 months now on what cycle I wanted to run next and I have decided to run SD rebuild (superdrol) and Epi rebuild (epistane), both made by Genetic Rebuild Supplements.

I know most people would say not to run 2 methyls together and I understand that and if any side appear I will be ending early. To help combat this I will be bridging the 2 compounds over a 6 week cycle. I also am aware that it is more common to run something like Tren with Epi but I get progesterone related gyno symptoms with 19-nor so I stay away from that now.

I may considered logging this cycle as well if anyone seems interested. My stats are 31 years old. 6'0" 190lbs ~14% bf. Diet has been clean and will shoot for 3500-4000cal/day at a 40/40/20 C/P/F macro split.
Here is my plan (any input is welcome):

2 weeks prior:
Milk thistle 1200mg/day

Week 1:
SD 14mg/day (caps come in 7mg doses)

Week 2:
SD 21mg/day

Week 3:
SD 21mg/day
Epi: 20mg/day

Week 4:
Epi: 40mg/day

Week 5:
Epi: 40mg/day

Week 6:
Epi: 40mg/day

On cycle supports:
Red Yeast Rice
Co Q 10
Iron Labs On Cycle Support
TUDCA

Now with PCT is where I would like some help. I have probably more than needed but just need some input on which would be best and what doses. Here's what I have:

Clomid 50mg/mL (30mL)
Torem 60mg/mL (30mL)
Nolva 20mg/mL (30mL)
Letro 2.5mg/mL (30mL)
Alphamax
Reduce XT

I am considering picking up some Exemestane or Anastrozole just incase if any estro sides pop up or for the beginning of PCT. I know letro would work but then I would have to worry about rebound when I DC that as well. Also going to pick up some Dermacrine as test base because I know that lethargy is common with superdrol.

Let me know what you guys think and again, any input is welcome. Just try to keep it to constructive criticism at worst. I wont be starting this bridge until the first week of July.
 
Looks good to me!

Clomid/Nolva combo is gold. Add the reduction xt a couple/few weeks into pct if you want. I like to have exemeatane on hand too, on and.off cycle. For grins I like a natty anabolic in pct, not necessary tho. Sometimes an herbal booster is nice, often helps libido. Otherwise the usual - lift harder than on cycle and eat well !!

Share your thoughts about the SD Rebuild! Ive got some and there's little info on it...
 
I might run the epi for 6 weeks tho, maybe low dose those first two, it'll be hot when the SD leaves...
 
Extend SD to 4 weeks if possible. Just finished 4 weeks of SD Rebuild at 28 with Dmz at 40 alongside and got great results. I'm interested to see how their SD treats you, because I felt like most of my benefit was from the Dmz.
 
I was considering that too but I've read too many posts about how bad superdrol is for my liver so I was trying to minimize the time spent with both compounds at the same time. I do not drink or do any other drugs though so I am sure my liver is in great health. We will see. It does make sense though to run epi longer because I know it can take a few weeks to really kick in.
 
rmurphy1 said:
Volvo, any particular natty anabolic you recommend? from experience?
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I like epicatechin products (follidrone, ep1c unleashed, magnitropin), anabeta and anabeta elite are popular. Also, ARA products like xgels and xfactor are quite popular, in pct and off cycle.

Read up on a few and.see what'd work for you. If you choose ArA I'd start two weeks before pct begins so its really rolling by the the pct hits.
 
Check out phosphatidic acid from bulk soy lecithin granules. Really cheap and great reviews.

3tbsp pre workout and 1 or 2 post is the recommended amount.
 
Ditch the milk thistle and get something stronger for liver support and drink a lot of water and your liver will be fine, its a very resilient organ
 
Looks good to me but I'll do this better

Sd for 4 weeks at 21mg
Bridged into Epi at 40 for 6 weeks

You have a good arsenal for on cycle support.

Your pct is not so good lol

I'll Go wit torem out of the choices you had but IMO you might want to look into our Rebirth product.

Pct I would do is-
Rebirth
Viron- best test booster hands down.
We have an amazing Ai coming very soon hopefully within two weeks.
Follidrone to maintain strength and endurance as pct is the worst when it comes to that.

Yes it looks like I'm suggesting only BLR but we do have an amazing lineup that covers all basis and are very good.

Besides that I'll add some PA as well.
 
Smont said:
Ditch the milk thistle and get something stronger for liver support and drink a lot of water and your liver will be fine, its a very resilient organ
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NAC and SAMe are my liver gotos everycycle! Bloodwork is always spot on. ?
Take liver support at least 2 hours away from metyl intake.
 
Thanks. The cycle support I got has 900mg of NAC per dose. I also plan on taking TUDCA as well. I never thought about taking it before methyl dose but that makes sense and I will schedule it that way. thanks for the info.
 
So I received my supplies earlier than expected so I will be starting by cycle early as well. I have already done 2 weeks of preloading liver support and have all PCT supplies in hand. I am changing up the dosing a bit though after some more research.

With all of the liver support I have I feel safe stacking the compounds at a lower dose instead of bridging them. My reasoning behind this is that Epi takes about 3 weeks to really kick in so I feel that only doing 4 weeks of it will not be sufficient. I also do not want to run longer than 6 weeks total so Here is my new layout. I feel that this would be best because as soon as I am done with the SD, Epi will just be kicking it to help solidify gains.

Week 1: SD 14mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 2: SD 21mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 3: SD 21mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 4: Epi 40mg/day
Week 5: Epi 40mg/day
Week 6: Epi 60mg/day

Same on cycle supports and PCT will consist of Clomid and Torem at 50/50/25/25 and 60/60/30/30. Also going to take Follidrone and AlphaMax. I will save Exemestane and/or Letro in case I have any rebound effects post-PCT.

Diet will be the same as before. Shooting for 3500-400 cal/day and at least 300g protein. Workout will be push/pull superset style with an emphasis on hypertrophy on cycle (medium-high reps) and strength base (low reps) during PCT.

Cycle will start tomorrow. Weighed in at 195lbs today. Shooting for 205 with little to no fat gain. Wish me luck. Below is a current picture and I will be logging this daily, if not EOD.

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Little off subject but do you have some pre existing gyno. Not trying to be creepy lol but right nip looks like a lump
 
Ok 2 days in and not much to speak of yet. Worked legs Saturday and chest on Sunday. Endurance seemed a little better but no noticeable differences really. Feeling great though.
 
Did arms yesterday and I can definitely feel the difference now. Decided to try some monster sets and was very surprised how good my endurance and recovery was between sets. I did 3 sets of the following, no breaks between each workout (just went from one to the next) and 4 min. rest between sets.

EZ bar curls
Cable push downs with strait bar
Hammer curls
Dips w/ 35lbs plate in backpack
Wide grip barbell curls

After doing 3 sets of this I thought I would be spent but I decided to add a little more and did 2 sets of reverse grip cable push downs and 2 sets of outside dumbbell curls.

Afterward, my arms were so much more full than usual and a lot more vascular as well. Best arm workout I've gotten in a long time. Starting to definitely believe this SD rebuild is legit. Hoping every workout from now on feels like that one.
 
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1 week in now and still feeling great. Did legs and traps on Thursday and Chest yesterday and I am still noticing a difference in strength and endurance. I wont bore with the details of my routine but all I will say is that I definitely believe SD rebuild is legit. Up to 21mg a day now and still taking 20mg of the Epi Rebuild. I know that many say that Epi gives them a increased feeling of well being but I have not seen that yet. Am feeling a little lethargic during the day so I ordered some Dermacrine yesterday (should be here by Wednesday) to help with this. Started at 195lbs, up to 198lbs this morning. 3lbs in one week.
 
Ya I've heard that week 2 and 3 are the best with SD so I am looking forward to it. This week alone has impressed me. Most notably is that my biceps are looking a lot fuller already. Strength/reps have increased a bit too so I am confident that it is not placebo. Next 2 weeks should be awesome.
 
Smont said:
Little off subject but do you have some pre existing gyno. Not trying to be creepy lol but right nip looks like a lump
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Looks a lot like gyno to me too man... I speak from experience. ?
Run that AI toward the end of PCT and taper down and run a good week after SERM. SERMS are great at raising Test, but enzymes are great at making Est too.?
I'd go a good 6 week PCT too ?
 
Just a quick update. Been lifting consistently with the usual schedule. Going a little longer than usual to get the most out of the cycle. Don't want it to go to waste. Feeling really lethargic the last 2 days. The only time I feel awake is while lifting and afterwards. I usually workout in the p.m. after work around 8 once the kids are in bed but I am considering switching to a.m. workouts before work to see if it helps me feel more awake during the day.
Still gaining on each lift. My only issue is that some tendonitis in my right forearm is bugging me on pull lifts but I just fight through it to finish my sets. Not sure if that is the best idea or if I should rest but the way I look at it, I need to lift as much as I can while on cycle and after PCT I complete I'll take a few days off (usually feels better after 3-4 days rest).
Anyway, beside lethargy everything else is going well. Weighed in at 203lbs this morning. That's 8lbs gained so far. No noticeable fat increase so far.
 
Week 1: SD 14mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 2: SD 21mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 3: SD 21mg/day Epi 20mg/day
Week 4: Epi 40mg/day
Week 5: Epi 40mg/day
Week 6: Epi 60mg/day

Is this still the layout you're sticking with?
 
Yes so far. Thinking about bumping the SD to 28mg/day week 3. Not sure tho. With how its going so far I'm not sure if I'd need to. I have until Saturday to decide. I'll have the dermacrine in by then too.
 
If its working I say stay put, esp if you're already somewhat lethargic. Will it increase gains? Maybe. Will it increase sides? Probably :)

Stoked for u man, keep up the hard work!
 
On 3rd week now. A little disappointed that I took a few days off from lifting. Was in Tahoe from Thurs-Monday for the holiday and just didn't do any lifting. Spent time with the kids and family instead but got back on track yesterday. Got the Dermacrine in and it has made a huge difference in my energy during the day. Im actually really surprised how well it works. Anyway, after 5 days off it felt good to lift again and I still feel stronger than before starting the cycle.
I do not do 1RM because I currently work out at home by myself and for my own safety I just do not try anything I don't know if I can lift. The way I test if how many times I can get a certain weight up and yesterday was chest/back so I tested myself on bench press. Before the cycle I could put up 225lbs on flat bench press 7 times. Last night I put it up 11x so I would say that I have had some good strength gains on this cycle. I will try with squats tonight. Weighed in at 201lbs today. Dropped a little over the weekend but up still 6lbs in 2 1/2 weeks.
 
Ya finished up the SD rebuild on Saturday. Didn't really feel like I gained much on the last week. I did take 5 days off during the 4th of July weekend tho.
Weighed in at 204lbs tho today so that's 9lbs up in 3 weeks. Definitely look and feel stronger, not as much as I hoped but not complaining. Upped the Epi to 40mg/day starting yesterday. Will go up to 60mg/day for the last 2 weeks and see how much I can keep.
 
Ya pretty dry. Didn't lose my abs or anything. I'd say maybe like 2 pounds might be fat from the excess calories and bad diet over the holiday.
Only other side effect I've had was pretty bad headaches while in Tahoe . I'm thinking it was a combo of raised BP and altitude. Went away once I left.
 
Upped the Epi to 60mg/day over the weekend. Have not been feeling lethargic for a while now. It was definitely the superdrol that was causing it. Still taking the Dermacrine each a.m. anyway. I do not feel like I have lost any size since discontinuing the SD but I'm down to 200lbs. now. Strength still feels the same so I guess a lot of the added weight was water. Going to continue with Epi at 60mg/day through next week and starting PCT on 8/1. So far I am not too impressed with the results from the cycle. I guess I had my expectations too high. I can see the difference in myself but just not as dramatic as I hoped for.
 
Interesting log so far. I will be keeping my eyes on your progress. Just a question. I don't know much about SD but it seems to me like it causes water retention? Or else why would you lose 4lbs after ending SD
 
Yes, I believe it makes you retain water a bit. I read that before I started my cycle so it was expected. I definitely gained strength from the superdrol but I did not gain as much size as I hoped. Maybe my routines were not set up right. I definitely ate enough. I am glad that I do not feel that I gained any fat though, even with the increase calories. On my last 2 weeks now with just Epistane and I'm adding more cardio and back to doing sets of 10 on my lifts in hopes of just cutting a little. Overall not a bad cycle. Also happy to find out that it is possible to run SD and Epi together despite what most people will say. Seems that as long as you have proper supports (cycle support, TUDCA, etc.) the body is quite resilient. Will post pictures at the end of cycle to compare to the befores. Thanks for following.
 
Sorry for the absence. Nothing really new to log. Strength is still up. Haven't really felt like I've gained any more over the last 2 weeks on Epi only. Do not feel that I've lost any size either. I'm thinking that running the epi after the superdrol is helping to keep my gains. PCT starts Next Monday. That is when I will really be able to tell. I do feel that I am leaning out nicely though. I think the SD added a lot of water weight and now I am losing that but keeping the muscle. PCT will be Alpha Max, Reduce XT, Clomid/Torem combo and I have Exemestane on hand that I may throw in after the SERMs incase of rebound.
 
Started PCT yesterday. So far in total I only gained 9lbs on this cycle. Overall not too impressed with the SD Rebuild and Epi Rebuild by Genetic Rebuild Supplements. I guess 9lbs is pretty good and I did gain in all lifts but it just didn't meet my expectations. Sides were not bad though besides the lethargy I had. Dermacrine cleared that up though. Perhaps the superdrol is underdosed? Who knows but I think I would rather go with tren as I had much better results in the past with that. Below is a picture from this morning. Weighed in at 199.5lbs. I started the cycle 6 weeks ago at 190lbs. I seem to have filled out a little in my chest and what I mainly notice is that I am more vascular than when I started.
PCT will be Clomid 50/50/25/25, Torem 60/60/30/30, Alphamax 4 caps/day, Reduce XT 3 caps/day and I have Exemestane on standby should I have any estro rebound.

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I dunno man.... 9 lbs, strength gains, minimal sides. Sounds like a winner really.... if you can hang onto these pounds its a smashing success.

Expectations are just that - I think this was a winner!
 
rmurphy1 said:
Well, when you put it that way I guess it was a descent cycle. Haha.
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Sure u didn't blow up 20lbs from the SD but let's be honest that's not 20lbs of muscle

You crushed it dude - feel good.and.hit.pct.hard.to keep this!
 
Quick update: little over 1 week into PCT now. So far gains and size seem to be keeping well. My only issue so far is that at about day 4 I think I was starting to get a little gyno developing in my left nipple. It was really sensitive, had kind of a burning feeling under the skin, and I could feel a lump growing. This is with Clomid, Torem, Exemestane, and Prami all taking each day. I decided to stop taking the Alphamax to see if it helped and it did. I haven't taken Alphamax in 3 days now and all sensitivity is gone now and the small lump that was growing is already shrunk to almost nothing. I do not know what it is in Alphamax that was causing it but I must be sensitive to natural test boosters because after my cycle of M-Sten about a year ago, I took DAA and Nolva PCT and I had the same issue in my left nipple. I didn't know back then to just DC the DAA so I had to run a bottle of Letro which got rid of it.
I know now not to take any test boosters in the future for PCT. Other than that, I think that taking Epistane for another 3 weeks after stopping the Superdrol helped to solidify my gains. We will see when PCT is over but I am still sitting at 200lbs (up 10lbs total since before cycle).
 
Removing daa from my last pct for halo had the same effect... I'll never use it in a pct again
 
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