Thoughts on 4-6 ostarine cycles/year?
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roy_jones
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I've been thinking about doing something similar, except my plan is to do 4 week cycles at a lower dose. The feedback has been that it isn't very useful to run osta for only 4 weeks at a modest dose, but I'm thinking of the benefit of being able to do more cycles.
lower dose osta seems like what everybody is after in a testbooster, but no one seems to try to use it in that fashion.
lower dose osta seems like what everybody is after in a testbooster, but no one seems to try to use it in that fashion.
sanmarino
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Too much. It's still a research chemical and I wouldn't use it more than two cycles per year (ten weeks on, six weeks are too short to gain serious muscle. It's a mechanism that need its time).
The full effect of Ostarine shows up after approximately two weeks. And you want to run it for only further four weeks when it will work at its best? It's like to start a cycle and finish when it really kicks in.
Just my two cents.
The full effect of Ostarine shows up after approximately two weeks. And you want to run it for only further four weeks when it will work at its best? It's like to start a cycle and finish when it really kicks in.
Just my two cents.
allbrawn
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Hi sanmarino,
Thanks for the response. Was hoping you'd reply.
If you were in my shoes, with a goal to get down to 6-7%bf, what supplements(excluding osta) would you use to assist you?
After my pct I plan on dropping calories and cutting carbs to under 100g.
Thanks
sanmarino
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Depends how fast you want to reach that aim - and 6-7% is very low.
If you don't want to use any substances, just train hard and diet very strict (I know, it's like a standard sentence but that's the biggest part of such a aim).
Ostarine in that case would be interesting because of the anti-catabolic/anabolic effect. But if there would be a restriction not to use any SARM or AAS there are some other opportunities.
First of all, a classic EC(A)Y-Stack would speed up the way to your goal. Also Yohimbine as a stand alone has enormous benefits and together with some Ephedrine there would be a very nice effect. Also green tea is very underrated. Try to drink some liters of green tea during the day - it will heat you up a bit and generating a bigger kcal-loss.
Despite of the strong effects of legal substances like caffeine or green tea there would also be GW-501516 as a PPAR. It's also a research chemical and I wouldn't exceed the usage of this more than twice a year.
GW in this case would have a strong anti-catabolic effect and would be probably the "best semi-legal" research chemical in that case. Main problem is that GW is - as said - a research chemical and there are no long term studies yet. I've run it serveral times (not for fat loss in first case but for the endurance component) and until now everything is fine. But that's not a garant for a possible turnover.
If using GW, also use the root Tribulus. It acts as one of the strongest COX-2 inhibitors (over 80%). It is shown that GW in already existing tumours can speed up the growth. So, don't use GW under any circumstances if you have or had cancer.
In the dosage which were tested on human beeings, they were none reported side effects liked with tumor growth. But better stay on the safer side and spend some money on Tribulus.
Another option would be the usage of a thyroid hormone like T3. I personally wouln't touch this and I don't have any experience so I can give you only theoretically knowledge. But in the worst case you will be reliant to thyroid hormone for your whole life.
What I strongly don't recommend is the abuse of Clenbuterol.
So as a conclusion, try to run caffeine and some yohimbine (and some ephedrine). In most cases this is enough and play with some powerful legal substances. GW would also be an usable opportunity but it's also a research chemical. But so far as I can say, in healthy humans GW in normal dosages shouldn't be a big problem (personal opinion).
I personally don't recommend the usage of T3/T3.5//T4 and Clenbuterol.
If you don't want to use any substances, just train hard and diet very strict (I know, it's like a standard sentence but that's the biggest part of such a aim).
Ostarine in that case would be interesting because of the anti-catabolic/anabolic effect. But if there would be a restriction not to use any SARM or AAS there are some other opportunities.
First of all, a classic EC(A)Y-Stack would speed up the way to your goal. Also Yohimbine as a stand alone has enormous benefits and together with some Ephedrine there would be a very nice effect. Also green tea is very underrated. Try to drink some liters of green tea during the day - it will heat you up a bit and generating a bigger kcal-loss.
Despite of the strong effects of legal substances like caffeine or green tea there would also be GW-501516 as a PPAR. It's also a research chemical and I wouldn't exceed the usage of this more than twice a year.
GW in this case would have a strong anti-catabolic effect and would be probably the "best semi-legal" research chemical in that case. Main problem is that GW is - as said - a research chemical and there are no long term studies yet. I've run it serveral times (not for fat loss in first case but for the endurance component) and until now everything is fine. But that's not a garant for a possible turnover.
If using GW, also use the root Tribulus. It acts as one of the strongest COX-2 inhibitors (over 80%). It is shown that GW in already existing tumours can speed up the growth. So, don't use GW under any circumstances if you have or had cancer.
In the dosage which were tested on human beeings, they were none reported side effects liked with tumor growth. But better stay on the safer side and spend some money on Tribulus.
Another option would be the usage of a thyroid hormone like T3. I personally wouln't touch this and I don't have any experience so I can give you only theoretically knowledge. But in the worst case you will be reliant to thyroid hormone for your whole life.
What I strongly don't recommend is the abuse of Clenbuterol.
So as a conclusion, try to run caffeine and some yohimbine (and some ephedrine). In most cases this is enough and play with some powerful legal substances. GW would also be an usable opportunity but it's also a research chemical. But so far as I can say, in healthy humans GW in normal dosages shouldn't be a big problem (personal opinion).
I personally don't recommend the usage of T3/T3.5//T4 and Clenbuterol.
allbrawn
Member
Well sanmarino, can't thank you enough for the info. I remember my last osta cycle I was thinking about high dosing osta until you warned me about the sides worsening while seeing no increase in benefits.
I will do some research on GW and will also remember to take tribulus if I take it.
I have green tea, caffeine, ephedrine, and yohimibine on hand...never have taken all 4 at once. Will test my stim tolerance once I start my cut to see if I can handle all 4.
sanmarino
Member
You are welcome. You can use green tea everytime, independent if you are cutting or bulking it's also very healthy. Taking all four together could lead to strong sweat 
And remember to optimize your nutrition intake when using Yohimbine. An increase in insuline will make the Yohimbine worthless. Research well for best results.
And remember to optimize your nutrition intake when using Yohimbine. An increase in insuline will make the Yohimbine worthless. Research well for best results.
allbrawn
Member
You are welcome. You can use green tea everytime, independent if you are cutting or bulking it's also very healthy. Taking all four together could lead to strong sweat
And remember to optimize your nutrition intake when using Yohimbine. An increase in insuline will make the Yohimbine worthless. Research well for best results.
Sanmarino,
What do you recommend and use as staple supplements?
I currently just use 2g fish oil, 5k vitD, mult-vit, joint formula.
sanmarino
Member
There are a lot of threads and information out there of many staple supplements. Everyone has its benefit and some are just for fun (e.g. l-citrulline for the pump for example). But it's nearly impossible - also due to the financial costs - to have all natural and chemical supplements in the house.
Fish oil is always a good supplement because of the cholesterine. It's especially important if you are getting older. Vitamine D - strictly speaking it's more a hormone than a vitamine - is also important (immune system, hormone system). For athletes probably more necessary because of the higher (physical) stress than in "normal" people.
In my opinion these supplements cover the biggest part of all training supplements: whey, creatine, beta-alanine. That's it. Theoretically, you wont need more than this staple supplements. As an advanced athlete you can always optimize your staple supplements. There a lot of pros and contra e.g. in case of vitamines. As a bodybuilder you will anyways eat more than a non-lifter and have a bigger intake of vitamines. For every supplement you can make an own huge thread about pro and cons based on thousands of studies.
Me personally, I'm using beside this three named staple supplements also a multi-vitamine preparate and some fish oil. I also have just for fun some AAKG, L-Citrulline and L-Arginine and a booster, but this is honestly just for some days in the month and more a "toy" than a serious staple supplement.
I've also Glucosame but I'm not using it regulary.
As said: with further staple supplements you can reach a nice optimization but in many cases there are just expensive products (the supplement industry is a billion dollar market) and the benefit is lower than it's financial value. But you can't go wrong with whey, creatine and beta-alanine. Research the powerful effect of the combination of the two last named.
Fish oil is always a good supplement because of the cholesterine. It's especially important if you are getting older. Vitamine D - strictly speaking it's more a hormone than a vitamine - is also important (immune system, hormone system). For athletes probably more necessary because of the higher (physical) stress than in "normal" people.
In my opinion these supplements cover the biggest part of all training supplements: whey, creatine, beta-alanine. That's it. Theoretically, you wont need more than this staple supplements. As an advanced athlete you can always optimize your staple supplements. There a lot of pros and contra e.g. in case of vitamines. As a bodybuilder you will anyways eat more than a non-lifter and have a bigger intake of vitamines. For every supplement you can make an own huge thread about pro and cons based on thousands of studies.
Me personally, I'm using beside this three named staple supplements also a multi-vitamine preparate and some fish oil. I also have just for fun some AAKG, L-Citrulline and L-Arginine and a booster, but this is honestly just for some days in the month and more a "toy" than a serious staple supplement.
I've also Glucosame but I'm not using it regulary.
As said: with further staple supplements you can reach a nice optimization but in many cases there are just expensive products (the supplement industry is a billion dollar market) and the benefit is lower than it's financial value. But you can't go wrong with whey, creatine and beta-alanine. Research the powerful effect of the combination of the two last named.
Driven2lift
Legend
Too much. Just as suppressive as PH cycles which get run maybe 3x a year
As for the staple supplements, all of them are together in Ergonine 1 scoop a day under $1/day and 10% off with "driven"
As for the staple supplements, all of them are together in Ergonine 1 scoop a day under $1/day and 10% off with "driven"
nwracing
New member
You are welcome. You can use green tea everytime, independent if you are cutting or bulking it's also very healthy. Taking all four together could lead to strong sweat
And remember to optimize your nutrition intake when using Yohimbine. An increase in insuline will make the Yohimbine worthless. Research well for best results.
Why is Yohimbine worthless with an insulin release? How would I dose the ECY stack if I have no carbs until 3:00pm (prework-out) I also have an intra workout drink with aminos and glycofuse.
sanmarino
Member
Yes. Use the "search function" on AM. The infos about MK-677 are scattered.