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I'm looking to do another cycle of orals in the near future. I've done one 6-week cycle of epistane but not sure if it was bunk or not. I did go from 170 - 185/190 but then came back down to around 175 after the PCT was over with, I'm assuming it was mostly water weight, or I screwed up and dropped my calories too drastically. I was looking at Hdrol but can't seem to find it anywhere online and started seeing that a lot of people are using Msten now? Is that the new hotness? What do you guys suggest?

Just a few stats:

Age: 23
Height: 5'9
Weight: 167 (I'm currently cutting)
Bodyfat: Your guess is as good as mine. I take it no more than 14-15%
Years training: 3-4
Bench: 255 (as of 1-2 months ago)
Squat: I haven't maxed out in about 9 months (it was 345). I'm assuming about 315
Deadlift: I attempted to max out after doing my working sets about 1-2 months ago, 315. (My squat and deadlift have always been even).

Overall goal: Aesthetics
 
Well post ban, msten, dmz & SARMS seem to be the new goto's.
But you can find all the others if you look hard enough.

I'd assume though at your age, even with 1 cycle under your belt the majority of people will tell you to eat,sleep,grow natty for at least another year.

But if your committed that's up to you.
What's with the latency in all your big 3 lifts, did you take time off from the gym & just coming back?
 
I stopped focusing on strength/stopped caring about maxing out. I also started having pains when going too heavy on squats so I started taking it easy in that aspect as well. Switched from low reps high weight to the inverse
 
Shasow said:
Usually less sides and slightly leaner gains. Downsides? Regular dosing and can be a pain in the arse (literally).
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I did read that it requires injecting more often than test e. So back to the original topic. Msten or Hdrol? I would be bulking around this time. Least side effects possible (mainly concerning acne).
 
If you're bulking I would definitely go with msten in my opinion.
 
ForumUser said:
I did read that it requires injecting more often than test e. So back to the original topic. Msten or Hdrol? I would be bulking around this time. Least side effects possible (mainly concerning acne).
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Msten is going to be a better bulker but will have a lot worse sides that halo. If you are worried about sides then I would run the Halo for 6 weeks.
 
ForumUser said:
Disregarding the fact that it's an injectable, why would somebody take P over E?
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Well it clears the system faster. And you feel it quicker.
600mg of prop is significantly more testosterone than 600mg test e.

I'm only injecting one more time than I would with test e
If you have good prop, there is no pip, so frequent injection isn't an issue.
 
See, test prop for 6-8 weeks at 600mg/week would be the best bulker with the least sides.
Stack it with 100mg of hdrol each day for 6 weeks or 15mg Msten e/d six weeks
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ForumUser said:
A bit late for that, don't you think? Also, I don't take pre workout.
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No, even though you already ran a cycle of otc steroids, you don't have a clue about steroids.
Doesn't seem like you know how to train it eat right either.

Best you stick with pre workout, never too late to start.
If you can research and learn about the performance enhancing ingredients in something as simple as pre workout, then you'd probably be ready to start learning about steroids.
 
Volvo140G said:
Check out Nutriverse.... use the code MAY20 for 20% of Alpha Lab Technologies, Platinum Nutraceuticals, Xcel Sports Nutrition, and Primeval Labs.

Xcel's new formulas are interesting. IMO Alpha Lab has some good chit...... code's good for all of May.
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[video]https://youtu.be/F7jHMucluGY[/video]
 
jbryand101b said:
No, even though you already ran a cycle of otc steroids, you don't have a clue about steroids.
Doesn't seem like you know how to train it eat right either.

Best you stick with pre workout, never too late to start.
If you can research and learn about the performance enhancing ingredients in something as simple as pre workout, then you'd probably be ready to start learning about steroids.
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You got all of that from a question about stacking, impressive.

You should become a psychiatrist.
 
ForumUser said:
You got all of that from a question about stacking, impressive.

You should become a psychiatrist.
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No, I got that from this Op:
ForumUser said:
I've done one 6-week cycle of epistane but not sure if it was bunk or not. I did go from 170 - 185/190 but then came back down to around 175 after the PCT was over with.

Just a few stats:

Age: 23
Height: 5'9
Weight: 167 (I'm currently cutting)
Bodyfat: Your guess is as good as mine. I take it no more than 14-15%
Years training: 3-4
Bench: 255 (as of 1-2 months ago)
Squat: I haven't maxed out in about 9 months (it was 345). I'm assuming about 315
Deadlift: I attempted to max out after doing my working sets about 1-2 months ago, 315. (My squat and deadlift have always been even).

Overall goal: Aesthetics
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Learn how to cycle pre workout, eat, and train, then come back.

And the snide comments about compounds was basic stuff, abd you didn't even understand it.
Smh.
 
jbryand101b said:
No, I got that from this Op:


Learn how to cycle pre workout, eat, and train, then come back.

And the snide comments about compounds was basic stuff, abd you didn't even understand it.
Smh.
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That's plagiarism.

Just because one chooses not use pre workout doesn't they don't know how to cycle it.

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, it just irritates me that one could ask a question about anything and it seems the majority of the people here would dismiss them.

"Hey, who's in the playoffs?"

"You're not ready for steroids."

The only thing I have read about are orals. I have never, nor was I planning on pining. Hence the fact that I have no clue about it. Or should a police officer know how to troubleshoot a computer just because they use one?
 
ahhh why do we keep getting guys who want to take steroids/prohormones when they haven't achieved much of anything in terms of muscle gains/mass by learning how to do it natural first. No offense but at 167lbs with 14% to 15% body fat, you can still make a lot of gains natty first. To many damn kids wanting shorcuts to try and get huge when they don't even know how maintain it after the cycle.

I'm with JB.....take a pre workout and figure out how to eat and gain mass natty....you could easily get to 180's - 190lbs natty at that height.
 
jbry, what is your opinion on transdermal 1-dhea/ 4-dhea? There is a new product from primeval labs out with both ingredients.
 
Forum user strongest available is alpha 1 run at 40-60 mgs and you can gain 15-20 pounds in 6-8 weeks. MUST have cycle/liver support that's a big boy compound. Lethargy can be very bad for some users.
 
cfresh1234 said:
ahhh why do we keep getting guys who want to take steroids/prohormones when they haven't achieved much of anything in terms of muscle gains/mass by learning how to do it natural first. No offense but at 167lbs with 14% to 15% body fat, you can still make a lot of gains natty first. To many damn kids wanting shorcuts to try and get huge when they don't even know how maintain it after the cycle.

I'm with JB.....take a pre workout and figure out how to eat and gain mass natty....you could easily get to 180's - 190lbs natty at that height.
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I still plan on training naturally for at least another year, especially since it'll be my first proper (longer than 5-6 months) bulk. Like I said, I wasn't disagreeing, just a bit irritated.
 
Not trying to bust your balls, just being truthful. You will be amazed the transformation your body will make if you can really dial in your diet. Eating enough calories, protein,complex carbs and healthy fats...combined with some high volume training you will blow up!!
 
cfresh1234 said:
Not trying to bust your balls, just being truthful. You will be amazed the transformation your body will make if you can really dial in your diet. Eating enough calories, protein,complex carbs and healthy fats...combined with some high volume training you will blow up!!
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No worries, man. Point taken as well. This will be the first time preparing my own food so it should definitely help.
 
jbryand101b said:
Well it clears the system faster. And you feel it quicker.
600mg of prop is significantly more testosterone than 600mg test e.

I'm only injecting one more time than I would with test e
If you have good prop, there is no pip, so frequent injection isn't an issue.
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Just wondering what type of sides do you see pinning 600 mg prop a week and are you talking 200 mg EOD?
Never ran prop before.
Been getting different opinions on it.
 
Ganjamon said:
Just wondering what type of sides do you see pinning 600 mg prop a week and are you talking 200 mg EOD?
Never ran prop before.
Been getting different opinions on it.
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I won't start that until next week. I've only ran test e solo, always stacked something with prop.
Letting the Tren ace clear somewhat before I start.

I wouldn't imagine it'd be too different than 600mg test e.
 
Yea I am about to pull the trigger on my first test cycle and I have been leaning towards prop even though more people have told me Test e would be better for first cycle.
I am looking to stay lean though and want something that will leave my system quickly if I run into any Estro issues.
That's why i was wondering how 600 mg of prop treated you cause I was thinking 150 mg EOD.
 
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