Another Ostarine question (Forgive me)
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Volvo140G
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What he said!
yates84
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I would have something a little stronger on hand, like exemestane in case of high estrogen sides. You already have your cycle planned out or would you like a little input?
halljo
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I'm set up... but after I did some more reading I came across a few instances where some people had issues... nipple puffyness and leakage... I assumed that maybe estrogen levels or prolactin would possible be increased by using this (Ostarine)... if that's the case... would Inhibit-P, be good to add as well.... or does Exemestane cover it?
yates84
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Ostarine shouldn't cause any prolactin issues, not that I've heard of. If you have exemestane on hand you should be covered.
Spaniard
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Typically, but if I recall correctly there were a few dude's that ended up with prolactin issues from Osta
NoAddedHmones
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Interested in hearing how osta impacts prolactin. You have any info on it?
yates84
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Check out OL eliminate, best deal there is for armistane right now.
Spaniard
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I'd have to dig a little bit to find an exact reason why but it's probably a safe bet to assume the variability of individuals and how it interacts with each persons chemistry to be the cause. People run into similar issues with running any type of compound involving hormones. One person sees a rise in prolactin but no estrogen issues while another person has the opposite.
NoAddedHmones
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Thanks for response. Makes sense, as time progresses the light that was originally shone on Osta as non supressive, side effect free alternative to Hormones is quickly dissapating and its pretty evident now that it still has the potential to bring about some pretty concerning sides in some individuals.
Spaniard
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And others can run it with relatively little issues. My pops ran Osta and loved it. Had labs done, no issues, returned right back to baseline and hit a few PR's. Such is life lol
yates84
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I would start at 12.5mg eod if estrogen sides start to show up. I wouldn't use it on cycle if you don't need it
yates84
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Exactly
yates84
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Hpta suppression
halljo
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Is there anything else? If someone was already toast on their HPTA and were on TRT... would it effect anything at that point. (I'm trying to dissuade a friend who wants to live on this and his TRT). I'm about to give it a try (6-8 week run), once I feel I know all the in's and outs and feel completely comfortable with it.
sanmarino
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All right, finally home and ready to release some HGH (it's night here) 
But to give you a further input: it seems that Osta for lifetime would be an interesting option. Indeed, it is. But there are some points:
- Ostarine is still a research chemical and we weren't researching it at a correct dosage or pharma grade quality - that's for sure. We only can guess because of the effect/side effect profile and blood values what we are consuming. There is absolutely bo reference substance (the original Ostarine or to name the correct future market name: Enobosarm) to compare "our" Ostarine. That is also a fact. I contacted some labours and the price is very, very high to analyse it without a reference substance, because in face you don't know what to search for. Long story short: Ostarine is still in the pipeline and it would be wise not to use it often.
- Despite Testosterone in a TRT would improve the "HTPA-side" of Ostarine, there are also some thoughts. IF Ostarine would act like RAD140 - in pre-clinical study in animals it has shown that it improve the anabolic effect of Testosterone Propionate and decrease the androgenic compund, which is nice for patients with serious illness which need Testosterone, but unfortunately, Ostarine was never tested in this case (not yet) - there are two thoughts. Firstly, IF Ostarine acts like RAD140, were is the problem? Well - sorry for the repeat - it is a RC. Is it safer to use more Testosterone in this case (with more side effects) or should I still use Ostarine lifetime and have a benefit in this theme but take the risk for any other unknown risk? It's your choice.
Secondly, the HTPA is only one part of a cycle. So, with a TRT that wouldn't be a problem anymore... But you are still taking one druf more which has its effect on the whole human body. As yates84 said, there are only several known side effects. What about the unknown? Every effect will cause a side effect. The question is only how strong and when they will appear. And that's still completely unclear.
- Next point is the derivative of Bicalutamide. I wrote here a lot about that somewhere in the forum, still have no clue how to find that lol. Please, have a look on that.
Conclusion of the whole stuff is: absolutely NOBODY can say for sure, what will happen in the next years with you after the Ostarine intake - nor during the cycle. I don't recommend an intake of more than 2x 10 weeks per year and 25mg/ed. Most of the people overestimate the effect of SARM: they won't give you the on-feeling (except maybe high LGD and high S4) and won't give you the size of a Testosterone cycle. The ONLY benefit of SARM are that they should work there, were they should. Not on the prostata, not on the heart or anywhere unnessecary for the patient (because the aim-market are patients with serious illness which already have strong side effects from their medicamentation). It improves the life quality on a lower side effect profile as any other AAS.
Also in your case - bodybuilder on TRT - the abuse of a RC wouln't be wise. The human body is more than HTPA or cholesterine value. I recently discussed with a user who abused LGD and it improved his mental illness which also shows that the brain/psychology component is also completely underrated.
For a stack there are much better and well researched drugs out there than a RC.
Hope you can understand this text. If not comment and I will explain next morning.
But to give you a further input: it seems that Osta for lifetime would be an interesting option. Indeed, it is. But there are some points:
- Ostarine is still a research chemical and we weren't researching it at a correct dosage or pharma grade quality - that's for sure. We only can guess because of the effect/side effect profile and blood values what we are consuming. There is absolutely bo reference substance (the original Ostarine or to name the correct future market name: Enobosarm) to compare "our" Ostarine. That is also a fact. I contacted some labours and the price is very, very high to analyse it without a reference substance, because in face you don't know what to search for. Long story short: Ostarine is still in the pipeline and it would be wise not to use it often.
- Despite Testosterone in a TRT would improve the "HTPA-side" of Ostarine, there are also some thoughts. IF Ostarine would act like RAD140 - in pre-clinical study in animals it has shown that it improve the anabolic effect of Testosterone Propionate and decrease the androgenic compund, which is nice for patients with serious illness which need Testosterone, but unfortunately, Ostarine was never tested in this case (not yet) - there are two thoughts. Firstly, IF Ostarine acts like RAD140, were is the problem? Well - sorry for the repeat - it is a RC. Is it safer to use more Testosterone in this case (with more side effects) or should I still use Ostarine lifetime and have a benefit in this theme but take the risk for any other unknown risk? It's your choice.
Secondly, the HTPA is only one part of a cycle. So, with a TRT that wouldn't be a problem anymore... But you are still taking one druf more which has its effect on the whole human body. As yates84 said, there are only several known side effects. What about the unknown? Every effect will cause a side effect. The question is only how strong and when they will appear. And that's still completely unclear.
- Next point is the derivative of Bicalutamide. I wrote here a lot about that somewhere in the forum, still have no clue how to find that lol. Please, have a look on that.
Conclusion of the whole stuff is: absolutely NOBODY can say for sure, what will happen in the next years with you after the Ostarine intake - nor during the cycle. I don't recommend an intake of more than 2x 10 weeks per year and 25mg/ed. Most of the people overestimate the effect of SARM: they won't give you the on-feeling (except maybe high LGD and high S4) and won't give you the size of a Testosterone cycle. The ONLY benefit of SARM are that they should work there, were they should. Not on the prostata, not on the heart or anywhere unnessecary for the patient (because the aim-market are patients with serious illness which already have strong side effects from their medicamentation). It improves the life quality on a lower side effect profile as any other AAS.
Also in your case - bodybuilder on TRT - the abuse of a RC wouln't be wise. The human body is more than HTPA or cholesterine value. I recently discussed with a user who abused LGD and it improved his mental illness which also shows that the brain/psychology component is also completely underrated.
For a stack there are much better and well researched drugs out there than a RC.
Hope you can understand this text. If not comment and I will explain next morning.
halljo
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Well, I appreciate all the info... my friend is a schmuck and plans on staying on Ostarine for 6 months (he's like talking to a rock... when his mind is set, no changes until he's pissing blood again)... as for me, I decided I'll just stay away from Ostarine as I am still not 100% comfortable with it. Thanks again to all of you. Appreciate it.
