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Ostar1ne

New bloodwork ... 2 days after using 10mg nolva for 5 days and 7 days of erase pro (old version with arimastane...)

ok, considering my libido was great after a few days of this mini pct I expected som better testosterone results... but this was insane:

Testosterone 30,1 (ref 8-35) 864 in ng/dl
free testosterone 9,7 (ref 2,3-.9,9) 259 in ng/dl
estradiol 0,254 (ref 0.01-0,11) still high.
everything esle was now midrange and good.

So ostarine shut me down, but I bounced back quick.

My E levels will probably drop to around maxed out range again. I definitly need arimidex, so hopefully my doc will see that my estrogen must be lowered. But I`ll never get any testosterone shots now
 
woodbear said:
New bloodwork ... 2 days after using 10mg nolva for 5 days and 7 days of erase pro (old version with arimastane...)

ok, considering my libido was great after a few days of this mini pct I expected som better testosterone results... but this was insane:

Testosterone 30,1 (ref 8-35) 864 in ng/dl
free testosterone 9,7 (ref 2,3-.9,9) 259 in ng/dl
estradiol 0,254 (ref 0.01-0,11) still high.
everything esle was now midrange and good.

So ostarine shut me down, but I bounced back quick.

My E levels will probably drop to around maxed out range again. I definitly need arimidex, so hopefully my doc will see that my estrogen must be lowered. But I`ll never get any testosterone shots now
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That is crazy good. Wish I could get my hands on Nolva... I did Reversitol + DS Lean Xtreme for PCT. Although the visual improvements largely held up and strength gains have been maintained, the bloodwork I just got back was not good reading. Osta + 11-andro suppressed my test levels for sure. Free test down from 5.0 to 2.6 (S-SBHG constant, reduction in S-Testosterone makes up the fall).
 
Hercules1982 said:
That is crazy good. Wish I could get my hands on Nolva... I did Reversitol + DS Lean Xtreme for PCT. Although the visual improvements largely held up and strength gains have been maintained, the bloodwork I just got back was not good reading. Osta + 11-andro suppressed my test levels for sure. Free test down from 5.0 to 2.6 (S-SBHG constant, reduction in S-Testosterone makes up the fall).
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Why can't you?
 
I live in a Nordic country where importing such stuff could get you into real trouble. Also I dont have any in my network who can acquire it.
 
Hercules1982 said:
Although I usually measure everything I do, I did not take precise measures before I started. My review was based on the visual improvements and strength gains that I achieved. I do however measure my biceps quite often, and the size remained virtually unchanged. As such, I believe any LBM gain was zero to little. it should be noted though, that I was running in a deficit (maybe 500 cals per day) throughout the cycle. I will probably start another cycle next week (bulking) and will make sure to make comprehensive before and after measurements.
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Found some before and after (PCT) pics now. Biceps actually look bigger, so there might very well have been some LBM gains as well, in addition to a considerable fat loss.
 
Gonna be logging osta shred if anyone wants to follow along. interesting compound with osta, arimistane, and l-dopa
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I'm having some abdominal discomfort at 20 mgs/day. I'm in 2 1/2 weeks. And more concerning is when I produced a pale colored bowel movement yesterday. I started milk thistle and liv52 that I had for other purposes and my stool is looking more normal in color. I don't drink and the only other thing I was taking is RC Letro for 1 week which I stopped after I pooped a whitish grey banana
 
made2last said:
I'm having some abdominal discomfort at 20 mgs/day. I'm in 2 1/2 weeks. And more concerning is when I produced a pale colored bowel movement yesterday. I started milk thistle and liv52 that I had for other purposes and my stool is looking more normal in color. I don't drink and the only other thing I was taking is RC Letro for 1 week which I stopped after I pooped a whitish grey banana
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these are not any sides I've ever heard of related to osta?
 
made2last said:
I'm having some abdominal discomfort at 20 mgs/day. I'm in 2 1/2 weeks. And more concerning is when I produced a pale colored bowel movement yesterday. I started milk thistle and liv52 that I had for other purposes and my stool is looking more normal in color. I don't drink and the only other thing I was taking is RC Letro for 1 week which I stopped after I pooped a whitish grey banana
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All I could recommend would be to get more fiber in, if that doesn't fix it you may want to see your doctor.
 
made2last said:
I'm having some abdominal discomfort at 20 mgs/day. I'm in 2 1/2 weeks. And more concerning is when I produced a pale colored bowel movement yesterday. I started milk thistle and liv52 that I had for other purposes and my stool is looking more normal in color. I don't drink and the only other thing I was taking is RC Letro for 1 week which I stopped after I pooped a whitish grey banana
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see a doctor straight up man. Advice is great on here but for the most part we're not doctors that specialize in this.
 
booneman77 said:
The common thought is that you can start another SARM cycle pretty quickly after PCT... the only true way to tell is by bloodwork though. I wouldn't rush it though. take a couple weeks to let your body settle and then get back on.
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im not arguing with the sentiment, because that indeed does seem standard. but starting another hormone effecting substance again so soon after seems reckless and reflective of the already grey area sketchy nature of sarms in the first place. perhaps im just being overly cautious and unaware, but suppressing your hormones over and over does not seem healthy, nor is not giving your body ample time to chill out at baseline numbers. just seems like a nice path to go if you dont want to recover properly, not to mention any unknowns about long term side effect.
 
squirtguns89 said:
im not arguing with the sentiment, because that indeed does seem standard. but starting another hormone effecting substance again so soon after seems reckless and reflective of the already grey area sketchy nature of sarms in the first place. perhaps im just being overly cautious and unaware, but suppressing your hormones over and over does not seem healthy, nor is not giving your body ample time to chill out at baseline numbers. just seems like a nice path to go if you dont want to recover properly, not to mention any unknowns about long term side effect.
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the reason for this practice is that the level of suppression with sarms is significantly less then a normal ph/ds. Often people that also do a full pct will see higher then pre cycle levels since they basically did a restart in already functioning levels.

I agree that I personally wouldn't do this as it seems like a bad idea and frankly we dint know enough about the long term effects if most sarms, especially in relation to their effects on hormones after years of cycling off and on. It doesn't seem like an issue at this time but who really knows so why risk it for just a little extra. Eat better and lift more and don't worry about that extra 1/2lb ha
 
booneman77 said:
the reason for this practice is that the level of suppression with sarms is significantly less then a normal ph/ds. Often people that also do a full pct will see higher then pre cycle levels since they basically did a restart in already functioning levels.

I agree that I personally wouldn't do this as it seems like a bad idea and frankly we dint know enough about the long term effects if most sarms, especially in relation to their effects on hormones after years of cycling off and on. It doesn't seem like an issue at this time but who really knows so why risk it for just a little extra. Eat better and lift more and don't worry about that extra 1/2lb ha
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yeah i know where the idea came from i just dont personally agree with it based on different reasons like that given. plus time off vs time on is generally not even great protocol for ds users, so i think a lot of these guidelines are off. Also, you may see higher than original levels if youre doing a proper pct (which seems like a ton of users dont even do for whatever reason) but im failing to see how thats indicative of anything other than having a legit serm, its not as if your temporary high levels mean anything other than you arnt shut down.

im really not hating on sarms but i pretty much agree. just because you do something and take the initial risk doesnt mean you shouldnt give 2 chits about being cautious after that. suppressing your hormones is not healthy or natural no matter how people want to justify it (ease of recovery or what not). i just dont see the general caution for sarms around here and they should be taken a little more seriously imo.
 
Habs1123 said:
I was wondering the exact same thing, was going to run ostashred and follow with Rebirth
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ok so lets wait, ill run ostar1ne,cause we are in the OL thread :) my concern is only about gyno, cause i got it at an initial stage,but still so..

must be sure rebirth will cover well.
 
Hansistyle said:
ok so lets wait, ill run ostar1ne,cause we are in the OL thread :) my concern is only about gyno, cause i got it at an initial stage,but still so..

must be sure rebirth will cover well.
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Why don't you just ask Brundel if it will. I asked , he said no problem. But you ask for peace of mind.
 
Hansistyle said:
would you think REBIRTH can be enough for 8week osta cut at 20mg?
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I have ran osta for 8 weeks @20mg. My pct was merely viron/daa/formestane back then and I did really well.

Rebirth is fairly new but bouncing back from osta is easier than ph/aas. Adding rebirth should be ok but only blood work can actually show true effectiveness. If I don't have a serm Ill use rebirth for a sarm run.
 
goodvibes said:
I have ran osta for 8 weeks @20mg. My pct was merely viron/daa/formestane back then and I did really well.

Rebirth is fairly new but bouncing back from osta is easier than ph/aas. Adding rebirth should be ok but only blood work can actually show true effectiveness. If I don't have a serm Ill use rebirth for a sarm run.
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please mind that i have never use PH/AAS, so fairly new to me also a low impact SARM such as OSTA.
im still very concerning if take or not osta, but i really want to try it
 
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