First Cycle - Epi - Please Advise!

Db2

Db2

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This will be my first cycle ever and I'm looking for advice. I've heard about stacking epi and stano but it seems most reasonable opinions suggest not stacking more than one element on a first cycle. I want to do this safely but also don't want to waste it, but I'm thinking just epi for a first run is probably the smarter way to go.

37 years old, 6'3, 199lbs, 11% bodyfat. Currently eating about 170 grams protein/day, will up to 200+ on cycle/pct. Macro's look like a nice peace sign most days. Eating very clean lately and plan to continue.

Cycle:
Epi - 18/36/36/36/54/54
Cycle Armor - 1am/1pm
BCAA (I train fasted first thing in the am)
taurine
fish oil
cissus

PCT:
Clomid - 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg
Nolvadren xt (OTC AI) - 0/0/2 daily/2 daily
DAA - 6 grams a day (3 doses)
Fish Oil
Cissus
Creatine
BCAA

In addition to assistance with the lineup I'm particularly interested in a couple of things.... are pre workouts with stim or without (C4 extreme or Hemavol) ok on-cycle or should they be saved for pct? What about cialis as a pre (either on or pct)? How high above maintenance should I plan to eat considering I'm looking for leaner gains (my maintenance is around 2700 right now)? How long after PCT should I wait to begin any kind of cut (pre-summer) in terms of keeping gains? Mountain bike season is coming and I'm mildly addicted lol.

Any and all advice is much appreciated!
 
Ok so everything looks pretty good to me, but to answer your specific concerns:

-Stano is used as a test base. I just ended an epi run, you're going to want s test base. Stano is hard to find since the ban. I recommend dermacrine.

-if you increase your activity level via mtn biking, increase kcal.

-if you want lean gains, I would go about 10-15% over your TDEE. You said that was 2700, so 3000-3100 cal should be good.

-stay away from Stims on cycle as it could potentially raise bp to unwanted levels. It didn't mess with me though, so see what works for you.

-hemavol would be ok on cycle if you had to do a pre. Personally, I would just save the pre for the pct.

-I don't know much about Cialis other than what it is and what it does. Sorry.

-when to cut is up to you. Inevitably, you're going to loose some of your gains when you cut. I would wait at least another couple of months and keep feeding that new muscle.
 
Thanks much! So dermacrine I'm only loosely familiar with, though I remember seeing some posts about questionable conversion and high estrogen levels? Can't fully remember. If I could get my hands on enough stano to run 600 a day would that be sufficient? Would it be preferable to the dermacrine if I can get it, or is there a reason to seriously consider a topical? Are there any easily obtainable research chems or anything else that can perform this function in a stack?

Thanks again! :)
 
Db2 said:
Thanks much! So dermacrine I'm only loosely familiar with, though I remember seeing some posts about questionable conversion and high estrogen levels? Can't fully remember. If I could get my hands on enough stano to run 600 a day would that be sufficient? Would it be preferable to the dermacrine if I can get it, or is there a reason to seriously consider a topical? Are there any easily obtainable research chems or anything else that can perform this function in a stack? Thanks again! :)
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If you can get stano go ahead but run 800 after the 2nd week. I liked dermacrine and had no issues. I don't know of any RC that would fit this no. Best thing honestly is real test or even trest but if you were willing to do thst you wouldn't be taking epi lol. And dermacrine has an AI in it
 
Daa at 6 gm is no more effective then 3-4gms.
Stano at 600 is kinda low. Most use 800-1000.
You need a ai you can taper off in pct to avoid estro rebound which epi is notorious for. Other then that ur gtg.
 
dbrock504 said:
If you can get stano go ahead but run 800 after the 2nd week. I liked dermacrine and had no issues. I don't know of any RC that would fit this no. Best thing honestly is real test or even trest but if you were willing to do thst you wouldn't be taking epi lol. And dermacrine has an AI in it
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Thanks Dbrock, so how would one run the dermacrine in the scheme of this? Would one bottle suffice?



Smont said:
Daa at 6 gm is no more effective then 3-4gms.
Stano at 600 is kinda low. Most use 800-1000.
You need a ai you can taper off in pct to avoid estro rebound which epi is notorious for. Other then that ur gtg.
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Do you have a suggestion for an affordable ai that can be tapered?
 
Dermacrine ordered as well as some other supports. Hoping to start next week if everything gets in on time. Thanks again!
 
And one more thing re: dermacrine, that just stays at the steady 3 pumps a day till the 6 week cycle is done, is that correct?
 
I used derma with hdrol twice, 3/3/3/3/3/3.
3/3/4/4/5/5 didn't notice any difference, im 195. But then again i also dont get bad sides from hdrol. Thats about all i can say. Gonna use derma with msten in the future. Next run il play with the doses. What was the difference for you. My only purpose for derma is to keep energy n libido high.
 
Im currently running a epi/stano stack. I'm running Stano at 600 and I feel great at that, but this is my first cycle as well. Not sure where you're from but in the UK I managed to get stano fairly easy. 1 thing I would get it Taurine and use it from the start, the back pumps I'm getting are phenomenal
 
Smont said:
I used derma with hdrol twice, 3/3/3/3/3/3. 3/3/4/4/5/5 didn't notice any difference, im 195. But then again i also dont get bad sides from hdrol. Thats about all i can say. Gonna use derma with msten in the future. Next run il play with the doses. What was the difference for you. My only purpose for derma is to keep energy n libido high.
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Why did you run a test base with halo? Not necessary. You will want to have it with msten
 
First, none of these compounds are a test base, testosterone is a test base. These are used in place of a test base. Seccond whats your reason for not using it with hdrol, it carries the same risk of shutdown,lethargy and libido loss as every other compound. Yes its mild but so are many others, and while i dont get bad sides from hdrol, i know plenty of ppl who get shut down hard and a limp noodle from it. Any cycle ran without test should use a alternative base.4ad, derma, stano, trest.
 
Smont said:
First, none of these compounds are a test base, testosterone is a test base. These are used in place of a test base. Seccond whats your reason for not using it with hdrol, it carries the same risk of shutdown,lethargy and libido loss as every other compound. Yes its mild but so are many others, and while i dont get bad sides from hdrol, i know plenty of ppl who get shut down hard and a limp noodle from it. Any cycle ran without test should use a alternative base.4ad, derma, stano, trest.
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Although you are correct, certain compounds have certain effects. Halodrol does not shut you down like msten, epi, SD, etc do. I felt like a king on halo. D*ck in the dirt on epi.

My philosophy is to take as little as possible on cycle. Don't run an AI if the compound you're running doesn't typically have rebound issues considering you are hindering some gains. Now, if you have signs of rebound, pump some formabolic.
 
I also feel fine on halo. But there are plenty of ppl who dont and get shut down hard. I also have one friend who runs superdrol solo with no sides. Everyone is different. I ran epi halo togther once, no sides other then pumps. Wouldn't do it again as i feel that they dont compliment each other. Neway, if i dont get some test im going with derma. Got trest ace but dont wanna pin eod ouch.
 
Pinning isnt as bad as it seems. Goes in like butter from what I hear. I get allergy shots with the same gauge needle. Nothin
 
I have to admit being kind of an addict to stims. I sort of live for that buzz/rush of stims n energy when hitting the gym first thing in the morning. Having no previous ph/hormone experience I wasn't sure what I could expect in terms of increased energy from any of the products (derm, epi, etc). But I understand bp is a real issue. Any thoughts?
 
You already said it, BP is the issue. It's just not recommended. Try it, keep a check on your BP, take proper support supps and precautions, and see how you react to using one when on cycle. Definitely wouldn't exceed any products single serving. No double scoops!!
 
Haha, thanks, I'm dbl scoops for sure, so good advice. Rep'd. I'll watch the pressure and see how it evolves. Is there any sense to using a stim free pwo like hemavol for no2 and what not, or is that all unhelpful while on cycle? I've also heard some people pro creatine and others say save it for pct? Sorry for all the newb questions, I want to get it right.
 
One more question por favor!

Counting my bottle I have enough to complete the proposed cycle sans 1 pill. I was wondering, is there much point to the first full week of 18, or should I step up quicker and just shoot the last 1.5 weeks at the higher dose (if I'm feeling alright)?
 
One more question! I'm on day 4 right now, just wondering, with my pill count I could do:

36/36/36/36/54/54

OR

36/36/54/54/54/

Which run do you think is better with epi? Longer or stronger?
 
I'm into week 5 of Epi now, started to see gains and strength starting last week, big changes this week and it upsets me that next week is my last week haha
 
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