first PH cycle EP15TANE, could you check it please?

Hi again,

Starting 3rd week. On thursday last week I upped dose to 45, since I was feeling rather good. I've been off a couple of days, I guess adjusting to the new dose, but I'm quite allright now. Tired all the time, that's true, and have lost my appetite for the last 2-3 days. I've made a carb spike and I'm feeling hungry again.

I'm up 9.5 lb. A lot must be water, and my scale insists on it all being new fat, but that's just impossible. I'm just eating maintenance or a bit above it. GVT doesn't seem so hard now. Maybe it's because I've added ZMA to aid in sleeping.

So this week is supposed to be the starting of the real ride. We'll see how it goes.
 
Well, 4th week is here. Up 12 lb but still hovering around 20%ish bodyfat, so most of it is lean tissue. I look really well by my standards, but it is true that my gut is a bit larger. I'm feeling way better, almost normal I would say, except for the back pumps and slightly painful joints. I've started to take taurine and upped the cissus and we'll see if they dissapear. Probably doing a hundred deadlifts in a workout hasn't helped...

The twins are starting to get noticeably smaller. Oh, well, they are not getting much use now anyway, I'm married. We'll trust in nolva.

I'm a bit worried about my pct because they have lined up several international trips for me at work and I don't like the idea of going around airports with a ton of pills and a sachet of white powder (DAA) in my luggage. Has this happened to anyone else?
 
The truth is, I really don't know. I had never done GVT before so I didn't know what to expect. At the beginning it was hard but I could finish all the reps/sets. Now it is easier even though I'm upping the weight (except for OHP, I'm stuck at the same weight for 3 WO, but getting more reps done each time). I would say I feel stronger, but I won't be doing a 1 rep max test until I'm done with the cycle. One thing is for sure, the pumps are amazing, and after I lose them the muscles are still hard as I've never had them in my life. Triceps specially.

The only thing I don't like is that my love handles, tummy and butt spoil it visually, but that's something I'll take care of after the cycle and pct are over. It is really weird, I have veins popping on my shoulders and across my chest when I flex or lift, and at the same time very thick thighs and that fat on the middle section, but that's just how badly built I am.
 
Oh alright man i feel your pain, it's just the way your body holds the fat.
I for example get fat around the handles and upper chest area while everything else stays lean.
Can't wait to see your end results already!.
Good luck during these last few weeks mate!
 
Week 5. 13 lb up. Now this past week has been bad. On the diet front, I've not paid that much attention and any gains will be mostly fat. Not that I've been porking on MacDonald's, but I've done KFC and a few desserts. On the workout front, really bad. I've had to reschedule WO twice and past friday decided to test strength gains. OHP is up 9lb and BP only 5 lb. Endurance, on the other hand, is way up. Then I tried DL and f*cked my back up badly. Too heavy too soon. To round it up 5 days ago I got caught on a car's door by my right nipple and I have a bruise the size of a walnut under it. And such a stiffness in my joints it is hard to put on my shoes in the morning. So, not feeling great now. I'll try to make it better this week.
 
And this is how I look now.
 

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Well you definitely look better but you have a long way to go and have no business getting into aas like you have. Sorry to be that guy, but someone has to say it.

How long have you been lifting? Easily under 6 months I can tell. You literally have no muscle structure at all. Again no offense here. You must understand that aas are inherently dangerous and really only beneficial to people who have had many years experience with some sort of "frame".
 
No offense taken, just different views.

I've been at it for 6 years, not months. SS, 5x5, Pavel's easy strength, all of them, and no growth. Train two months, hurt something, lay off one month. Back to square 1. sure, on and off for the first 4 years, but consistenly for the past 2, and really sick of not growing at all. You are 23 and have the time for it, and yet you have cycled. I'm 38, and my goals are not yours, as you can imagine. I've assumed this risk as a one-time event to break the cycle, and I'm really happy about how it's going.
 
dbrock504 said:
Well you definitely look better but you have a long way to go and have no business getting into aas like you have. Sorry to be that guy, but someone has to say it. How long have you been lifting? Easily under 6 months I can tell. You literally have no muscle structure at all. Again no offense here. You must understand that aas are inherently dangerous and really only beneficial to people who have had many years experience with some sort of "frame".
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Wow. You have got some serious stones calling out anyone on their physique or AAS/DS use. Sorry to be that guy but someone has to say it.
 
athene said:
No offense taken, just different views. I've been at it for 6 years, not months. SS, 5x5, Pavel's easy strength, all of them, and no growth. Train two months, hurt something, lay off one month. Back to square 1. sure, on and off for the first 4 years, but consistenly for the past 2, and really sick of not growing at all. You are 23 and have the time for it, and yet you have cycled. I'm 38, and my goals are not yours, as you can imagine. I've assumed this risk as a one-time event to break the cycle, and I'm really happy about how it's going.
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This post is going to make me sound like a d*ck, but that's really not what I'm getting at here. Sorry.

First off, if you have "completed" those programs and did not see any growth, you never did 1 thing right in 6 years. The mirror doesn't lie. Second off, don't assume because I'm 23 I have all the time in the world. I work industrial construction from 4:30am-7pm, have a fiancé who I've been planning a wedding with for the last 8 months and still go to the gym 8-10pm every day. Before all of that I was off at school achieving a BBA in Management, so I have been non stop my whole life. It's the choices you make to fit it in when you can. I have cycled 2 times with very light ph like this one and have only been in the gym for 2 years seriously with a serious diet and I have 10x the muscle development you do. And you have 15 years of potential development on me!

I know how all of that sounds, but my intentions were to simply have you understand that in the last 6 years, you have never had a proper diet. I can tell by your pictures. Being in the gym is only a part of it. 70-80% (depending on who you talk to) of your development is in the kitchen. If you're 38 and feelin a little "low", go talk to a dr about possible TRT but other than that, stay off of this stuff man. You're light years behind it. I say this for your benefit, believe it or not.
 
Turbo6GN said:
Wow. You have got some serious stones calling out anyone on their physique or AAS/DS use. Sorry to be that guy but someone has to say it.
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Has nothin to do with that. There are people on this stuff that have no business being on it and by their physique it tells me they are inexperienced and could potentially get them selves hurt. I thought I would bring that to light and let that be it. Ultimately it's his decision to make. Doesn't bother me one way or the other. He proved it to me when he said he wants to make this a 1 time thing to "break the cycle". I assume he meant plateau. He doesn't understand the effects of a good diet. A solid diet is the best supplement you can have and junk is not needed at his developmental level. Again, his choices.

This board is all about giving people advice to help them. That's all I'm trying to do. It might be candid or a bit too truthful, but ultimately that's all I'm trying to do. Take it or leave it.
 
When i said time, I meant years before you. You really have a tight schedule. Hats off for finding the time to train. I mean it.

You are absolutely right. Kids, stay away from drugs. work your *ss off first.

Now I want to thank you for your advice with an equally unconfortable truth. At 23, you have no business getting married. Least of all if your are SO busy. That is a thousand times deadlier that a cycle. and a lot harder to get out of if it goes bad. Trust me, you want to wait 10 years for that.
 
athene said:
When i said time, I meant years before you. You really have a tight schedule. Hats off for finding the time to train. I mean it. You are absolutely right. Kids, stay away from drugs. work your *ss off first. Now I want to thank you for your advice with an equally unconfortable truth. At 23, you have no business getting married. Least of all if your are SO busy. That is a thousand times deadlier that a cycle. and a lot harder to get out of if it goes bad. Trust me, you want to wait 10 years for that.
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I find it hard for you to tell me what I am and am not ready for considering you don't know me on a personal level. Regardless I'm going to let that one go. So you know, Ive been with the girl for 7 years. I appreciate your input, but I'm not the "wild" kind and this is what I want. I've sowed my oats, so none of that is necessary, but you are correct, a marriage is a difficult thing. And I did just land a desk job in management with a fortune 1000 company that I'll be starting in about a month, so that should really help out a lot... And also. I MAKE time for my health and fitness, I don't find time. That's the difference, bud. If it matters to you, you make time for it.
 
Yep those are really old. 8 months tomorrow to be exact. Like I said, I've only been in it seriously for the last 2 years. Here are some recent ones for Ya bud.
 

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I'm not trying to hide anything. You think that guy has a better physique than me?
 

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OP sorry to throw you under the bus like that. That duecher called me out, so I felt compelled to prove myself, as immature as it is.
 
Oh, but I see you have been too humble. You must be at least 12.5 times more muscular than me. Don't let them bring you down.
 
Yay, final week is here. Up 15 lbs. The scale and the mirror tell me different things: i look fatter but the scale says I'm only 4 lbs fatter. Maybe what i see as fat is water retention. The good thing is the weight is where it needs to be, and also I can see my biceps vein being 20 lbs heavier than the weight i first spotted it when i was cutting. Good vascularity. The bad thing is cramps. Twist to scratch your back and you get a cramp, tie your shoe and there is another cramp for you. I'm trying to stretch as much as possible, but it's not very helpful. apart from that, oily skin and the back pumps, the ride has been clean.

I've got two questions for you all. the first is, are the first days of pct very hard, is there a risk of feeling really sick? I have to travel abroad the very first day and give a presentation to my clients on the second day. I don't want to be "off". If the beginning of the pct is very harsh, I can do two things: one would be to cut the cycle now and have 3-4 days of pct before travelling, or the second one would be making the pills last till next wednesday and start pct when i return. I have enough epi for that if I take 2 pills one day, 3 pills the next for the rest of the cycle.

Second question regarding pct training. I've been doing GVT. Should i go on with it or is there any specific training for pct? I've read everything from people that do very little training to those that switch to strengh to those that keep their current program.

Thank you very much for your helpful input as always.
 
Hi y'all

Quick update. I'm on 3rd week of pct. Everything is going smooth and I can say I wasn't really shut down at any moment. Balls got a wee bit smaller by the end of the cycle, they are normal now.

I've shed quite a lot of water, so I'm about 12 lbs up. On the other hand, cramps still are not completely gone.

Strength gains have been very good. As I've written earlier, I have been doing a GVT cycle, so not focused on strength. However, all lifts have gone up, BP 30 lbs, OHP, 15, squat 20. And more reps at lighter weights too.

So all in all an enjoyable ride!
 
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