Battling lethargy on epi/tren

dbrock504

dbrock504

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Ep15tane and DermaTREN by Olympus Labs

epi-30/45/45/45/45/45 (done)
tren- 90ml for 60 days

All essential on cycle supps and inhibit p Done with the epi but this tren is insanely suppressive. I'm eating very well. Carb cycling. Around week 4 of the epi (3 weeks ago) I added dermacrine into the cycle hoping to combat the lethargy. Hasn't at all. Doing 3 pumps of that based on the instructions of my body weight. I'm about to fall asleep doing legs and writing this lol.

I'm about to hope back on my pre workout. This is killin me!
 
I just started a similar cycle - using 4-AD as test base. I am not far enough into cycle (day 9) to have lethargy yet.

Other than lethargy, how is the cycle going?
 
dbrock504 said:
Ep15tane and DermaTREN by Olympus Labs

epi-30/45/45/45/45/45 (done)
tren- 90ml for 60 days

All essential on cycle supps and inhibit p Done with the epi but this tren is insanely suppressive. I'm eating very well. Carb cycling. Around week 4 of the epi (3 weeks ago) I added dermacrine into the cycle hoping to combat the lethargy. Hasn't at all. Doing 3 pumps of that based on the instructions of my body weight. I'm about to fall asleep doing legs and writing this lol.

I'm about to hope back on my pre workout. This is killin me!
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You can jump to 5 pumps if 3 isn't getting it. Watch your bp if you get back on a pwo
 
organometal said:
I just started a similar cycle - using 4-AD as test base. I am not far enough into cycle (day 9) to have lethargy yet. Other than lethargy, how is the cycle going?
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It certainly hasn't been ALL bad, however I am not impressed with this run at all. I have gone from 169.8 to 171.6 and kept it there for the last 7 weeks, however I have not seen any strength gains and I don't like how this compound suppresses me. I have had little to no libido and it has my fiancé worried. On the flip side, my chest has squared nicely, legs trimming, back defining, shoulders striating, upper abs coming through stronger and feeling more solid. All in all, don't care for this run much. Not going to do it again. I attribute more of my gains to the profession diet and workout program rather than the junk.
 
yates84 said:
You can jump to 5 pumps if 3 isn't getting it. Watch your bp if you get back on a pwo
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Will do. That's why I haven't touched my pre... I do have a monitor. Will throw up the numbers later on. Just got done with my legs/cardio routine so I would assume my numbers read high right now
 
dbrock504 said:
Will do. That's why I haven't touched my pre... I do have a monitor. Will throw up the numbers later on. Just got done with my legs/cardio routine so I would assume my numbers read high right now
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Check it first thing in the morning to get a good reading
 
Here are some shots between day 1 and 7 weeks 2 days in.
 

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Dude you have added mass. Call it recomp if the scale hasn't moved much. But your back is thicker with definition. And you quads as well.
 
Dma378 said:
Dude you have added mass. Call it recomp if the scale hasn't moved much. But your back is thicker with definition. And you quads as well.
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Without a doubt. Like I said, its workin. No denying that. Thanks for the encouragement brotha.
 
I have been using low dose td trest, ment pwo with my dermatren, dianadrol and dermafury stack. It has worked well for me in week two right now.
 
Don't wait into week 3 or 4 next time to start your test base!!!!!!.. I.e. dermacrine, 4AD, Stano, etc. Start it the same day or a week before. You're already shutdown and its to late now!!!!!! If I use Stano, I start it a week, sometimes 2 weeks prior.
 
TacTownbeast said:
Don't wait into week 3 or 4 next time to start your test base!!!!!!.. I.e. dermacrine, 4AD, Stano, etc. Start it the same day or a week before. You're already shutdown and its to late now!!!!!! If I use Stano, I start it a week, sometimes 2 weeks prior.
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I know. I was told to use arm1are pro on cycle so I did that until the bottle ran out, and then began blockade and TUDCA. I didn't want to run dermacrine along with arm1care pro considering they both have an AI in it and it would be overkill.

When will things return to normal? Couple weeks into PCT?
 
Maybe next time think about leaving out the arm1care, and running... tudca, cycle assist, dermacrine, tren, and epi. Epi will also work as an anti estrogen also. Give it about 3 weeks into pct, and you should be feeling good, provided you have the proper PCT lined up.
 
My rec man for the libido get some Cialis or Viagra so when it comes time to go you can. I learned that lesion a while ago. The ladies start to trip if you cant preform even when you tell them its not their fault. plus a low dose Cialis is good for BP
 
McCrew530 said:
My rec man for the libido get some Cialis or Viagra so when it comes time to go you can. I learned that lesion a while ago. The ladies start to trip if you cant preform even when you tell them its not their fault. plus a low dose Cialis is good for BP
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Cialis is the shizz on cycle and pct
 
McCrew530 said:
I personally didnt notice any crazy pumps from it but I tell you what It puts that #2 lead back in the pencil
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Sometimes when you don't want it to!
 
I wasn't to impressed with tr3n either. My halo/tren cycle ends in a few days then starting my pct which I hope adds some strength gains
 
Dma378 said:
There's a term around my house for that..."awkward pants".

When you and the wife are fooling around and then someone walks in and you have to play it off.
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Don't you love those wonderful interruptions?
 
TacTownbeast said:
Maybe next time think about leaving out the arm1care, and running... tudca, cycle assist, dermacrine, tren, and epi. Epi will also work as an anti estrogen also. Give it about 3 weeks into pct, and you should be feeling good, provided you have the proper PCT lined up.
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Ya I learned that at about week 3 of the cycle and that's why I changed it. Pct is nolva, sup3r pct and a light dose of Formabolic if needed.

Lol at the Cialis jokes. I have thought about running a mild dose and see about it, but I don't usually have libido issues. I'm 23 and get after it like a 16 year old virgin haha.

Did 5 pumps of dermacrine today and bp was 143/64 with a HR of 65 bpm.
 
Just a quick question bro, any reason you chose Nolva for pct as opposed to Clomid? Isnt there some issues with Tren and using Nolva pct?
 
bennoes said:
Just a quick question bro, any reason you chose Nolva for pct as opposed to Clomid? Isnt there some issues with Tren and using Nolva pct?
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Ya. Clomid is pretty hardcore stuff. I did extensive reading, and I really didn't see anything conclusive to anything negative between Tren and Nolva. Not worried about it. But I have seen that A LOT on this forum.
 
dbrock504 said:
Ya. Clomid is pretty hardcore stuff. I did extensive reading, and I really didn't see anything conclusive to anything negative between Tren and Nolva. Not worried about it. But I have seen that A LOT on this forum.
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Cool thanks for the insight. Ive used Nolva before but was gonna try Clomid for my next cycle, and i heard it restores the HPTA faster but the vision issues and emotional side effects are what make me hesitant. How was it when u used Clomid?
 
bennoes said:
Cool thanks for the insight. Ive used Nolva before but was gonna try Clomid for my next cycle, and i heard it restores the HPTA faster but the vision issues and emotional side effects are what make me hesitant. How was it when u used Clomid?
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You just said it haha. I had strange emotional swings and a few of the other typical sides like bloated and dizziness every now and again. Did it work? Oh heck yes. If I ever ran a harder compound or got into the real thing, I would take Clomid. These are relatively mild compounds (epi, DermaTREN) although the tren is pretty serious.
 
bennoes said:
Cool thanks for the insight. Ive used Nolva before but was gonna try Clomid for my next cycle, and i heard it restores the HPTA faster but the vision issues and emotional side effects are what make me hesitant. How was it when u used Clomid?
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Personally, I feel great on clomid. I only had emotional sides when it was dosed at 100mg. On standard 50/50/25/25 dosing protocol I didn't have any problems
 
yates84 said:
Personally, I feel great on clomid. I only had emotional sides when it was dosed at 100mg. On standard 50/50/25/25 dosing protocol I didn't have any problems
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Any reason u choose Clomid over Nolva as your pct serm? Im gonna run a straight Epi cycle soon, would you recommend 50/50/25/25 clomid pct and a natty test booster?
 
bennoes said:
Any reason u choose Clomid over Nolva as your pct serm? Im gonna run a straight Epi cycle soon, would you recommend 50/50/25/25 clomid pct and a natty test booster?
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Yep, you got it. Start that ai when you drop to 25 mg of clomid. When I first started using ph I looked through literally hundreds of threads on epistane and tren on many different forums and clomid was the #1 answer that I found. I have no beef with nolva, just always been a clomid user. If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it is how I look at it
 
yates84 said:
Yep, you got it. Start that ai when you drop to 25 mg of clomid. When I first started using ph I looked through literally hundreds of threads on epistane and tren on many different forums and clomid was the #1 answer that I found. I have no beef with nolva, just always been a clomid user. If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it is how I look at it
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Thats interesting and i certainly agree, no use tryna fix something that aint broke! haha i think ill give clomid a try this upcoming cycle and see how it goes
 
I mean, my sides weren't too bad and were only there at 50. When I dropped to 25, i had no sides. Definitely start a light dose of the AI at 25.
 
Since going to 5 pumps on the dermacrine, I feel WAYYY better and just set a new PR on bench. Since my shoulder injury, my best is 225x3. Did 225x5. Had a spot but never touched the bar. Gainz are gainz!
 
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