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Ostarine Questions

ReinalHot61 said:
What's the best stack to run with Ostarine for a cut? Is EC + Ostarine enough? I'm going to run Clomid/Nolva(this is my first cycle ever) since I've read that Osta has a bit of suppression.
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That looks ok. I personally haven't noticed BP elevation from ostarine so I would think that EC wouldn't compound the possible BP impact of EC.
 
I'm looking waaay down the road, but I have 52 capsules left of 'PCT IV' (12mg per cap). I think I'll use it on a cut @12mg/Day, as suggested by KDD. 4, 6 or 7 weeks 3 days :) ? What kind of PCT? I have RC's, but would OTC suffice, given all we've learned in this thread? I guess RC (Clom) to be 'safe' huh?
 
Just a heads up for the osta lovers. 50% off intro sale. Use code "OSTA50" for discount. Good for 72 hours.

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Wow update!
The last I reported I had finished my 8 week ostarine run, had blood work. My testosterone was 286 after falling from 575 pre ostarine. I began using clomid the day after I stopped ostarine which was January 6th. I was using clomid 40mg/day January 6-19
20mg January 20-27, 20mg EOD january 28-current. I am 52yrs old. I had blood drawn Friday and here are the results NO LIE!
Test 1348 high , LH 5.4 normal, FSH 9.7 normal, estradiol 50.7 high (7.6-42.6 normal)
My testosterone has almost tripled from pre ostarine! Now I'm not sure how long to run the clomid as it's clearly working well.
 
Fit1962 said:
Wow update!
The last I reported I had finished my 8 week ostarine run, had blood work. My testosterone was 286 after falling from 575 pre ostarine. I began using clomid the day after I stopped ostarine which was January 6th. I was using clomid 40mg/day January 6-19
20mg January 20-27, 20mg EOD january 28-current. I am 52yrs old. I had blood drawn Friday and here are the results NO LIE!
Test 1348 high , LH 5.4 normal, FSH 9.7 normal, estradiol 50.7 high (7.6-42.6 normal)
My testosterone has almost tripled from pre ostarine! Now I'm not sure how long to run the clomid as it's clearly working well.
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LOL.

See, that's why it's a good idea to get bloods done, not assume things, and run proper PCT for any suppressive cycle.
 
kissdadookie said:
LOL.

See, that's why it's a good idea to get bloods done, not assume things, and run proper PCT for any suppressive cycle.
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I used some formabolic this morning to reduce the estrogen some. But I'm not sure how to continue to run the clomid? 20mgEOD FOR HOW LONG.
 
Fit1962 said:
I used some formabolic this morning to reduce the estrogen some. But I'm not sure how to continue to run the clomid? 20mgEOD FOR HOW LONG.
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Indefinitely tbh, don't know if that is a good idea or not though :P I wouldn't be too concerned about the increased estrogen, it obviously scales with your test level so the ratio is what is important. Unless you get high estro sides easily or it's over the normal range, if not, it's not too great of a concern.
 
kissdadookie said:
Indefinitely tbh, don't know if that is a good idea or not though :P I wouldn't be too concerned about the increased estrogen, it obviously scales with your test level so the ratio is what is important. Unless you get high estro sides easily or it's over the normal range, if not, it's not too great of a concern.
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Estrogen is above normal but not horribly, as far as sides, maybe some water retention. I don't look as cut.
 
You do understand that you're partaking in self-diagnosed HRT therapy. Just so we're clear.

Also, prolonged treatment, lowers igf-1 levels.

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Considering your age, I'd get a serum GH test.

You don't want to sacrifice one anabolic hormone for another.
 
Grayson said:
You do understand that you're partaking in self-diagnosed HRT therapy. Just so we're clear.

Also, prolonged treatment, lowers igf-1 levels.

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Considering your age, I'd get a serum GH test.

You don't want to sacrifice one anabolic hormone for another.
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That could be due to increased estrogen levels.
 
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It's a long shot, but you might be correct. My point still stands, though.

Inb4 test is more anabolic than Igf-1 so who really cares.

Inb4 low circulating igf-1 is actually healthy and has shown to increase lifespan.

Not gonna happen :P
 
Grayson said:
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It's a long shot, but you might be correct. My point still stands, though.

Inb4 test is more anabolic than Igf-1 so who really cares.

Inb4 low circulating igf-1 is actually healthy and has shown to increase lifespan.

Not gonna happen :P
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I'm pretty sure it's due to increased estrogen. Tamox also lowers igf-1. Both clomiphene and tamoxophene will raise estrogen levels since it's signalling to the body that it doesn't have enough estrogen thus causing the increased production of test so that it's available to convert to estrogen.

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kissdadookie said:
I'm pretty sure it's due to increased estrogen. Tamox also lowers igf-1. Both clomiphene and tamoxophene will raise estrogen levels since it's signalling to the body that it doesn't have enough estrogen thus causing the increased production of test so that it's available to convert to estrogen.

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Ok so is my increased test and somewhat elevated estrogen good or not? Lol
 
kissdadookie said:
If you have the estrogen under control, you should be more than ok. You have like raging teenager levels right now. LoL.
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Lol! How often do you think I should use the formaBolic? Maybe I should get another blood test in a month or so and see if the test levels are staying up?
 
kissdadookie said:
If you have the estrogen under control, you should be more than ok. You have like raging teenager levels right now. LoL.
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Lol! How often do you think I should use the formaBolic? Maybe I should get another blood test in a month or so and see if the test levels are staying up?
 
Fit1962 said:
Lol! How often do you think I should use the formaBolic? Maybe I should get another blood test in a month or so and see if the test levels are staying up?
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How long you should use it, as you have suggested, will depend on bloodwork. Too low, maybe lay off it a bit, normal range, keep using it. Still too high, probably need a different and more effective AI.
 
kissdadookie said:
How long you should use it, as you have suggested, will depend on bloodwork. Too low, maybe lay off it a bit, normal range, keep using it. Still too high, probably need a different and more effective AI.
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Btw can high test cause night sweats? I've noticed that in the last week and I've never had that before.
 
Fit1962 said:
Btw can high test cause night sweats? I've noticed that in the last week and I've never had that before.
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Probably? I mean with such a large jump in testosterone, you're having pretty large hormonal changes, that would possibly cause things like your night sweats among other things. Obviously it's due to what you're doing right now with the clomiphene.
 
kissdadookie said:
Probably? I mean with such a large jump in testosterone, you're having pretty large hormonal changes, that would possibly cause things like your night sweats among other things. Obviously it's due to what you're doing right now with the clomiphene.
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Kissdadookie I appreciate you bearing with me. I've followed you awhile and seem to know your stuff. So should I be concerned about lipids, etc?
 
Fit1962 said:
Wow update!
The last I reported I had finished my 8 week ostarine run, had blood work. My testosterone was 286 after falling from 575 pre ostarine. I began using clomid the day after I stopped ostarine which was January 6th. I was using clomid 40mg/day January 6-19
20mg January 20-27, 20mg EOD january 28-current. I am 52yrs old. I had blood drawn Friday and here are the results NO LIE!
Test 1348 high , LH 5.4 normal, FSH 9.7 normal, estradiol 50.7 high (7.6-42.6 normal)
My testosterone has almost tripled from pre ostarine! Now I'm not sure how long to run the clomid as it's clearly working well.
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Who's Clomid were you on?
 
Fit1962 said:
Kissdadookie I appreciate you bearing with me. I've followed you awhile and seem to know your stuff. So should I be concerned about lipids, etc?
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The levels you've posted is a far cry from supraphysiological levels so I wouldn't be overly concerned. Always good to have health markers checked regularly every 6 months though.

Keep in mind that test users would have far higher test levels.
 
kissdadookie said:
The levels you've posted is a far cry from supraphysiological levels so I wouldn't be overly concerned. Always good to have health markers checked regularly every 6 months though.

Keep in mind that test users would have far higher test levels.
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Thanks!!! Someone on reddit is saying clomid also raises shbg which binds test? Any thoughts?
 
Fit1962 said:
Thanks!!! Someone on reddit is saying clomid also raises shbg which binds test? Any thoughts?
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I think that may also be due to the increased estrogen?

Thus the reason why when playing around with these things, one ends up taking a stack of compounds to combat various side effects (raise in estrogen this leading to shbg upregulation and lowering of IgF-1 etc. thus an AI is used to lower estrogen, etc.). You can however reduce the compounds you are taking by figuring out what the root cause is (for example, if prolactin is high, check the estrogen levels first to see if the estrogen is causing the prolactin issue rather than jump into the deep end treating the prolactin first, etc.).
 
kissdadookie said:
I think that may also be due to the increased estrogen?

Thus the reason why when playing around with these things, one ends up taking a stack of compounds to combat various side effects (raise in estrogen this leading to shbg upregulation and lowering of IgF-1 etc. thus an AI is used to lower estrogen, etc.). You can however reduce the compounds you are taking by figuring out what the root cause is (for example, if prolactin is high, check the estrogen levels first to see if the estrogen is causing the prolactin issue rather than jump into the deep end treating the prolactin first, etc.).
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I've ordered some arimidex I read about taking a very low dose. So if that lowers estrogen then shbg shouldn't be a problem
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Fit1962 said:
I've ordered some arimidex I read about taking a very low dose. So if that lowers estrogen then shbg shouldn't be a problem
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I would think so. The clomiphene study I looked at that saw a rise in shbg noted that it's likely due to the increase of estrogen. Your body is basically trying to regulate levels back to normal.
 
kissdadookie said:
That's the new "super" clomid. I think that it's possibly effective even for many whom are typically clmoid non-responders.
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I have been using the formabolic for the last three days and have really noticed my libido increasing a lot. Morning wood was insane. You think I need the arimidex or just stick with formabolic for now for lowering my estrogen? And how long do I use?
 
Fit1962 said:
I have been using the formabolic for the last three days and have really noticed my libido increasing a lot. Morning wood was insane. You think I need the arimidex or just stick with formabolic for now for lowering my estrogen? And how long do I use?
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Base it off of bloodwork is really the only way to know.

If it's seemingly working well though, I would gamble and stick with it.
 
kissdadookie said:
Base it off of bloodwork is really the only way to know.

If it's seemingly working well though, I would gamble and stick with it.
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Yes I don't want to do more blood for another 4-6 weeks more of clomid EOD. FORMA is working according to my libido, I guess I coukd try every other day with it and see if libido holds?
 
you guys think an OTC PCT would work if i only ran ostarine @ 20mg for 4 weeks? getting mixed reviews from people. ive also read that you dont even need to run anything if you run it that short and some said just DAA+ L-Dopa would be fine?


Anyone have luck with those?

thanks
 
jschug72 said:
you guys think an OTC PCT would work if i only ran ostarine @ 20mg for 4 weeks? getting mixed reviews from people. ive also read that you dont even need to run anything if you run it that short and some said just DAA+ L-Dopa would be fine?


Anyone have luck with those?

thanks
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I'd do low dose clomid. It's cheap and very effective. If you end up being suppressed, that's what is going to help the most effectively.
 
kissdadookie said:
I'd do low dose clomid. It's cheap and very effective. If you end up being suppressed, that's what is going to help the most effectively.
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I'm running 25 for 8 weeks.
Pct consists of
Clomid: 25/25/12.5
Pct 3x: 4/4/4
Epic and dermastrength to begin on first day of pct
 
Swolljaboi said:
I'm running bps elimistane on my Osta cut right now. Dried me the hell out. I look nice and hard now. Seems to be keeping estro in check.
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I want to look hard! I'm fairly well defined but my skin isn't dry. I've been using formabolic To keep my estrogen down as I continue to use clomid. This bps product would help?
 
Does having very mild gyno from puberty indicate that one is more susceptible? Or could my hormone system be drastically different now at 24?
 
Fit1962 said:
I want to look hard! I'm fairly well defined but my skin isn't dry. I've been using formabolic To keep my estrogen down as I continue to use clomid. This bps product would help?
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if form isn't keeping your estro down, arimistane almost certainly won't as its weaker. What's the reason you're using clomid? Pct or TRT?
 
Matthew1237 said:
Does having very mild gyno from puberty indicate that one is more susceptible? Or could my hormone system be drastically different now at 24?
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puberty hormones aren't an indication of sensitivity. Puberty can be a whacky time so it may or may not be a good judge. That said, it's easier to aggravate existing gyno then it is to start it up so def err on the side of caution.
 
booneman77 said:
if form isn't keeping your estro down, arimistane almost certainly won't as its weaker. What's the reason you're using clomid? Pct or TRT?
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I'm using topical formabolic. It seems to be working based on libido. Morning wood and libido are pretty strong for. 52yr old! But my skin still doesn't have that hard look. My body fat is relatively low, I would guess 10-12%. I ordered some arimidex for estrogen control but I haven't taken it yet as I'm not sure I need it. I start clomid after an ostarine run. I kept using it after I read that some doctors use it for TRT. Though my natural test levels were normal at 575. After using low dose clomid for 6 weeks my test came back at 1348. So I'm continuing to use it for another month before another blood test to see how the higher testosterone affects my gains.
 
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