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HBCD & EAA/Peptapro log. Breezy & DW journey to ELITE

breezy11 said:
Yes it is. My Blondie Select arrives today, so I might grab some after work. I'll probably drop pb from my diet in a few a weeks though.
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That's no fun dropping PB.
 
kbayne said:
That's no fun dropping PB.
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Yeah, but it doesn't really bother me. There's other fat sources that I enjoy, which are far more beneficial, especially when dieting.
 
breezy11 said:
Yeah, but it doesn't really bother me. There's other fat sources that I enjoy, which are far more beneficial, especially when dieting.
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Oh I feel ya. Just sayin PB is too good to eat :)
 
I trained back this afternoon. Nothing too heavy, but a lot of rowing with different grips and angles.



HS Low Row
2 warm-up sets of 12
4 working sets of 8



Band Resisted HS Leg Press Rows
4 sets of 10

I hadn't done these in a while. I prefer using the unilateral leg press for single arm rows, but this machine is great as well.

[video=youtube_share;M5sBh41yuAM]http://youtu.be/M5sBh41yuAM[/video]




One Arm BB Row
3 work sets of 8

-worked up with sets of 8




Decline Straight Bar Pullovers
4 sets of 10

The advantage with these over a (MD style) DB Pullover is that you can keep constant tension on your lats through a greater range of motion. This setup works great for triceps extensions as well.

[video=youtube_share;u4OT0p7IEWM]http://youtu.be/u4OT0p7IEWM[/video]




Straight Bar Cable Rows
3 sets of 12

I decided to use the same dual cable machine to work upper back and traps.

[video=youtube_share;uwNvZoOOW3k]http://youtu.be/uwNvZoOOW3k[/video]





Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
3 sets of 10
 
I got in a leg session this afternoon. Energy was decent and I was able to go pretty hard.


Lying Leg Curls
2 warm-up sets of 15
4 work sets of 12, 10, 8, 6 + 20 second isotension on final set



Leg Press
20 + 15 count + 20
10 + 15 count + 10
6 + 15 count + 6

-This is something I started using a few months ago. The initial reps are a tough set with constant tension (close to or actual failure on last rep), then I rest for a 15 count, and grind out the same number of reps I started with. The grinder reps may include short 5-7 second breaks, l0ckouts, or whatever is necessary to hit the target. 45lb plates are added to each set.


Leg Press cont.
-1 drop set using the weight I left off with (-1 plate per side). Starting with sets of 10 and increasing reps as the weight gets light enough (keep going until 1 plate per side)



Teardrop Busters
4 sets of 12

-no weight added to machine




HS Split Squats
4 sets of 10

[video=youtube_share;HsNs8nqpaFY]http://youtu.be/HsNs8nqpaFY?list=PLD5A37C01FC6 D4C0D[/video]



Leg Extensions
3 sets of 10 with a 2 second flex and controlled eccentric




Ham Killers
4 sets of 10




Go Pats
 
Chest/Shoulders



Angled HS Incline Press with Bands

8 total sets (including warm-ups) working up in weight

I did the following at each weight used
8R/8L/8RL (starting around 45 degree angle)
8R/8L/8RL (starting around 90 degree angle)

Part of 3 sets: This is one of few exercises that I can really get my upper/inner chest to fire/contract fully, which is a major weakness for me. When I switch to both arms at once the full contraction carries over. I don't lock out, but get a hard flex on each rep. The 90 degree angle is a short range of motion, but it lights up exactly where my chest is lacking.


[video=youtube_share;5bYiZmC6194]http://youtu.be/5bYiZmC6194[/video]




Smith Incline Press
40
30
25
15
10
6
5

-constant tension
-started light and kept adding weight until technical failure at 5 reps





BB Flat Bench with Chains
5 sets of 5

-3 second eccentric, 1 second pause above chest
-used a weight that I could maintain for 5x5 with a couple reps left in the tank
-strong focus needed to keep using chest as much as possible (fatigue)

[video=youtube_share;BeFkGwM96-U]http://youtu.be/BeFkGwM96-U[/video]




Free Motion Flye to Flye-Press
2 sets of 10+5



Machine Rear Delt Laterals
1 tough set of 25
1 set of 50 using same weight as previous set (15 second breaks included to reach target)



Standing Machine Swings
3 sets of 25



Single Arm Rear Delt Pulls
4 sets of 10
 
Here's tonight's back session.



Pull Ups
2 sets of 8 of wide, mid, and close neutral grip




Heel Elevated Trap Bar Rows (banded)
1 warm-up set of 12
4 sets of 10

[video=youtube_share;ds5lbMw1hfs]http://youtu.be/ds5lbMw1hfs[/video]




Smith Rows
4 sets of 6 (after working up to a good weight)

-rest-pause, explosive, from mid-shin




DB Pullovers
sets of 15, 12, 10, 8 working up in weight




Chest Supported T-Bar Rows
sets of 15, 12, 10, 8 working up in weight

-elbows kept high and wide, working upper back/traps




Rack Pulls with chains
worked up with sets of 6 until barley getting 6
-final set: removed chains/waited 1 min and did another set of 6
 
I trained legs this afternoon. I decided to hit my hamstrings with some heavier weight first, but kept things pretty light overall.



BB Stiff Deads
-worked up slowly (small weight increments) with sets of 8 until barely getting 8.

Sets of 315 and 405:

[video=youtube_share;0AfF4dW5lm0]http://youtu.be/0AfF4dW5lm0[/video]





Plate Loaded Squat Machine
warm up sets of 20,15
working sets of 12, 10, 8




Adductor / Abductor
3 sets of 10/10




Somersault Squats
3 sets of 8




Leg Extensions
3 sets of 12

-2 sec flex at top




Lying Leg Curls
5 sets of 10
 
breezy11 said:
I trained legs this afternoon. I decided to hit my hamstrings with some heavier weight first, but kept things pretty light overall. BB Stiff Deads -worked up slowly (small weight increments) with sets of 8 until barely getting 8. Sets of 315 and 405: Invalid Link Removed Plate Loaded Squat Machine warm up sets of 20,15 working sets of 12, 10, 8 Adductor / Abductor 3 sets of 10/10 Somersault Squats 3 sets of 8 Leg Extensions 3 sets of 12 -2 sec flex at top Lying Leg Curls 5 sets of 10
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IYE breezy what is better fir isolating the hamstrings, RDL or SLDL?
 
The last week I've been training with my trainers, doing their workouts. Learning a few things and more importantly, I have a training partner to push me. Weight is back up to "before I started sucking" range and I'm making the push to compete as a Heavy Weight this Nov. I'd like to be a somewhat tight, 230 when prep begins so I need to add about another 12lbs or so by July 1.

Calories have been a consistent 400/400/50 split on training days (4/week) and closer to 400/200/100 on off days (cheat meal on 2 of the off days)

I'd like to start talking more about AAS/GH/insulin use if you guys would like. I think what I'd have to say would blow some of your guys mind and rethink their purpose.
 
I'll bite, as its something that definitely peeps my interest when I plateau but what are your views on oral only cycles? Say anavar, or a pro hormone?

How about a first time cycle of test?

Ultimate PCT in your opinion?

Get ready for oodles of questions because ive done a fuarkload of research and there's always millions of opinions
 
Distilled Water said:
The last week I've been training with my trainers, doing their workouts. Learning a few things and more importantly, I have a training partner to push me. Weight is back up to "before I started sucking" range and I'm making the push to compete as a Heavy Weight this Nov. I'd like to be a somewhat tight, 230 when prep begins so I need to add about another 12lbs or so by July 1.

Calories have been a consistent 400/400/50 split on training days (4/week) and closer to 400/200/100 on off days (cheat meal on 2 of the off days)

I'd like to start talking more about AAS/GH/insulin use if you guys would like. I think what I'd have to say would blow some of your guys mind and rethink their purpose.
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Im in for sure.
 
I'm still lurking and intrigued.
 
And when did you first start, and what would always recommend for soneones first

With the goal of mainly hypertrophy to compete one day
 
It would great actually to discuss this d dub as there is so much garbage info out there
 
Swolbraham said:
I'll bite, as its something that definitely peeps my interest when I plateau but what are your views on oral only cycles? Say anavar, or a pro hormone?

-Kind of a waste unless you are some sort of athlete in season. then Anavar would be a nice selection.

How about a first time cycle of test?

-First cycle would be something like 250-300mg/wk of test for 8-10 weeks. That amount is over double what any normal human would produce. Id advise test prop for first run. gives you the most control over blood levels, sides and drier progress.

Ultimate PCT in your opinion?

HCG/Clomid/adex and some type of test booster and cortisol support. HCG for the first 10-14 days maybe? 100/50/50/25/25 clomid and adex 1mg EOD to control estro rebound.

Get ready for oodles of questions because ive done a fuarkload of research and there's always millions of opinions
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answers in bold.
 
Swolbraham said:
And when did you first start, and what would always recommend for soneones first

With the goal of mainly hypertrophy to compete one day
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I started too early. I was in college and mainly did it because of baseball. I didnt want to get hurt anymore, not really for much more. I mean the size and strength gains....I wasnt going to complain about but I started out with test prop. 75mg every other day. I had taken Superdrol and other orals before that.....pretty much a waste looking back. Only thing i gained was knowledge on how my body would handle them...I did gain lean muscle but pinning is waaaaay better.
 
bean5er said:
It would great actually to discuss this d dub as there is so much garbage info out there
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I completely agree. I'll even admit, after doing all my research etc....ive still given in to some"bro hype" and done dumb things

After a little trial and error and learning form the pros.....I laugh when i see some of these guys doses.....mine are half and im much bigger, leaner, etc....

Guys I work with don't believe me when I tell them my doses, O'well
 
Distilled Water said:
I completely agree. I'll even admit, after doing all my research etc....ive still given in to some"bro hype" and done dumb things

After a little trial and error and learning form the pros.....I laugh when i see some of these guys doses.....mine are half and im much bigger, leaner, etc....

Guys I work with don't believe me when I tell them my doses, O'well
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Soooooo true. The bigger problem I see and have come across lately is the fact that many of these "gurus" a. Haven't been doing this very long, and b. Are not open to discussion of differing opinions. Besides the crazy amounts of gear being advised, proper PCT is so misunderstood IMO.

I'm by no.means an expert but I'm constantly learning and have made some of the same mistakes you have, mostly referring to wasted and pointless PH cycles.

Look forward to the continued discussion
 
bean5er said:
Soooooo true. The bigger problem I see and have come across lately is the fact that many of these "gurus" a. Haven't been doing this very long, and b. Are not open to discussion of differing opinions. Besides the crazy amounts of gear being advised, proper PCT is so misunderstood IMO.

I'm by no.means an expert but I'm constantly learning and have made some of the same mistakes you have, mostly referring to wasted and pointless PH cycles.

Look forward to the continued discussion
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Yep. Cruising is being lost too. If you're not going to come off, thats fine but at least take the steps to try and prevent total shut down.

Best analogy I ever heard about PCT. Running gas is like running your car on a rocket engine. Eventually you gotta go back to the regular motor. That battery is dead (your testies) you need to jump start it with jumper cables (hcg) but you can leave those on their, you need the altornater to get it going on its own (clomid). Using them correctly, together, will get your battery back going. Simple but a solid analogy.
 
Thanks professor DW!

Hb this:

What are your views on running an AI with the lower dose test like you suggested? Say 250mg a week, is there a need for an AI?

Do you think HcG is a deal breaker or can it be omitted?

What peptides have you used also? Just started reading up on those
 
Swolbraham said:
Thanks professor DW!

Hb this:

What are your views on running an AI with the lower dose test like you suggested? Say 250mg a week, is there a need for an AI?

Do you think HcG is a deal breaker or can it be omitted?

What peptides have you used also? Just started reading up on those
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I am not DW but I'll throw my .02 in. An AI should be on hand but blood work should be done to evaluate where you are. It is pretty common with doses of 100-200 mg of pharm test that most don't need an AI. I however do. With out blood work its a crap shoot really. Tanked e2 levels are not good.

IMO Hcg is a must for most cycles if recovery is the goal. Everybody responds differently but hcg is proven in restarts of the hpta so my thought is why risk it.

I'm interested in peptides as well. I have been reading a lot of dats info on his site and know of a few TRT guys who have had positive reviews in regards to fat loss and overall physique changes with mod grf and ghrp 2.
 
Swolbraham said:
Thanks professor DW!

Hb this:

What are your views on running an AI with the lower dose test like you suggested? Say 250mg a week, is there a need for an AI?

Do you think HcG is a deal breaker or can it be omitted?

What peptides have you used also? Just started reading up on those
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Like bean said, should have it on hand. Most wont need them unless some pre existing estro problems. Blood work is crucial for serious cyclers. I have also crashed e2...it really sucks, a lot of things are messed up. including your d1ck lol.

hcg is not a must but its cheap and very effective so, why not?

ive made multiple runs with peptides, theyre a good place to start. No comparing (in my experience) to what real growth can do. GHRP-6 is great for helping an appetite that has stalled.

bean5er said:
I am not DW but I'll throw my .02 in. An AI should be on hand but blood work should be done to evaluate where you are. It is pretty common with doses of 100-200 mg of pharm test that most don't need an AI. I however do. With out blood work its a crap shoot really. Tanked e2 levels are not good.

IMO Hcg is a must for most cycles if recovery is the goal. Everybody responds differently but hcg is proven in restarts of the hpta so my thought is why risk it.

I'm interested in peptides as well. I have been reading a lot of dats info on his site and know of a few TRT guys who have had positive reviews in regards to fat loss and overall physique changes with mod grf and ghrp 2.
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I think peptides shine for older guys. I too have seen this with older guys I know (40yrs +) Ive noticed more when using to cut but in a bulk, nothing to really write home about. real growth > peptides for a bulk. On a cut, much more level playing field.
 
Swolbraham said:
What sucks about NJ isbyou can't get bloods without a script :/

Hb peptides you'd recommend for beginners
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If you have insurance its not too hard to get bloods, look up side effects of different ailments and doctor will usually call for bloods. Not to mention, with insurance you usually get physicals every 6 months and ask for bloods then.
 
Swolbraham said:
What sucks about NJ isbyou can't get bloods without a script :/

Hb peptides you'd recommend for beginners
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Distilled Water said:
If you have insurance its not too hard to get bloods, look up side effects of different ailments and doctor will usually call for bloods. Not to mention, with insurance you usually get physicals every 6 months and ask for bloods then.
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Great point
 
In for some deeper discussion.

Fwiw I agree that prop is a great first cycle. Dry, quick acting, and effective. You can also run a shorter cycle and still see great gains. Perfect for someone looking to "test" the water. Also the short ester allows for quick adjustments and control if any sides show up or if you want to increase.
 
Distilled Water said:
Anything else, you gents want to talk about?

Car took a **** today so looks like I'll be buying a new one tomorrow. Not really wanting to sink a grand into it. Owe like 8-9k on it still....at least back session was good today.
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I think it would be fun to discuss different compounds effects, when to use, etc. The importance getting the most out of the least drug wise etc.

Sucks about the car buddy. The gym is always there to make things better
 
Swolbraham said:
What your favorite peptide(s)? Hb least?
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Favorite is probably GHRP-2. Least....I don't know.

I do know peg-MGF & IGF-1 are waaaaay different now than probably 8yrs ago. I ran those two together and had awesome results. It's about 3/4 the price now and about 1/4 as affective.
 
bean5er said:
I think it would be fun to discuss different compounds effects, when to use, etc. The importance getting the most out of the least drug wise etc.

Sucks about the car buddy. The gym is always there to make things better
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Let's get the ball Rollin bean, what compound are you not familiar with and want to know more or my opinion about?
 
Distilled Water said:
Let's get the ball Rollin bean, what compound are you not familiar with and want to know more or my opinion about?
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EQ
DECA
Npp

As you know I'm a trt guy who a couple times a year adds some goodies in for 8-12 weeks. I understand test and derivitives all play a roll in increasing RBC and hct. I for instance have hematocrit issues on my trt dose if I don't donate. So EQ for instance makes me wonder. Obviously I would just donate more but in your experience is EQ all its cracked up to be? I've personally never gone above a 600 mg a week. My combo was sust and trest ace. Very solid combo IMO. Other than these three and a couple orals that's all I have experience with
 
Question for the class (mostly breezy11 and @Distilled Water )... I'm going to try training in the mornings before work for awhile as this seems like it will fit my schedule a bit better now and not force me to spend all of my few minutes between getting home and going to bed cooking/eating. Currently I get up around 7a and fast until 12p, have 2 meals at 12 and 3, workout around 6, then eat dinner/pwo/pre bed at like 8-9 or so. I've been loading my carbs around my workout so 3p and evening meals.

My question is if I switch to a morning workout, is it still just as beneficial to structure my meals the same way (ie fast til lunch, and evening load carbs)? or should I look into switching my meals to something more like A)carbs pwo and the following meal, tapered off though the day (bro style); B)p/f pwo and still backload carbs in the eve; C)fast til lunch and eat like I do now (p/f lunch and carbs in the eve)?
 
bean5er said:
EQ
DECA
Npp

As you know I'm a trt guy who a couple times a year adds some goodies in for 8-12 weeks. I understand test and derivitives all play a roll in increasing RBC and hct. I for instance have hematocrit issues on my trt dose if I don't donate. So EQ for instance makes me wonder. Obviously I would just donate more but in your experience is EQ all its cracked up to be? I've personally never gone above a 600 mg a week. My combo was sust and trest ace. Very solid combo IMO. Other than these three and a couple orals that's all I have experience with
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I like EQ and donating would be the way to get that evened out. I like EQ, to me its one of those drugs you dont notice until you're off it. Increased appetite, muscle fullness and vascularity. 600mg is plenty, 800 being tops. People think it sucks bc 90% of the people on here (or in life) that run it and hate it are fat. If youre over 15% bf you have no business running gas and you wont "see" the benefit from EQ. Off season drug for sure, takes a long time to clear so I wouldnt use it running into prep.

NPP is great and most people I know prefer it over deca. If you dont mind more frequent pinning its a hands down winner over deca. Usuall much less sides bc of the shorter half life its easier to keep more stable blood levels and dont have to deal with the long ester burn off. 350-500 a week should suffice most. 100mg every other day is ver popular and usually kinds in within the frst week or so. Prolactin sides are present with this one(run cabergoline if you have any pre-existing prolactin estro issues.) its very anabolic and using it for blasts and the begging stages of prep is very common bc it keeps you full, joints healthy and not a lot of water retention compared to deca.

Deca....dont have much on this. Its a staple for most off seasons but beware of prolactin sides and bloat. Very anabolic but a dose as low as 200mg can make some look like a marshmallow. 300-600 being the most common for growth but sides can build and take s a while to taper off so I would always start low.
 
When planning nutrition, I start with peri-workout and work out from there. The overwhelming majority of the time this would include some amount of carbs around (and usually during) training, with the amount used in each spot varying quite a bit. There are a lot of ways this can go, depending on your overall carb intake, your goal, how you're doing at progressing towards the goal, what stage you're at in reaching the goal, how you're feeling, and other feedback.

I personally wouldn't train and remain fasted post workout if my goal was to maintain consistent hard training, recover well, and hold on to as much muscle as possible while dieting. One option for morning training that I've had and seen success with (with carbs on the lower end) is consuming a small amount of carbs pre (and usually intra), a small amount post (ex. post meal: eggs, meat, toast), transitioning to pro/fat through the middle of the day, and using the rest of the allotted carbs at night to help with sleep. That's just one possible setup though. Like I mentioned, the approach used depends on a lot of factors.
 
breezy11 said:
When planning nutrition, I start with peri-workout and work out from there. The overwhelming majority of the time this would include some amount of carbs around (and usually during) training, with the amount used in each spot varying quite a bit. There are a lot of ways this can go, depending on your overall carb intake, your goal, how you're doing at progressing towards the goal, what stage you're at in reaching the goal, how you're feeling, and other feedback.

I personally wouldn't train and remain fasted post workout if my goal was to maintain consistent hard training, recover well, and hold on to as much muscle as possible while dieting. One option for morning training that I've had and seen success with (with carbs on the lower end) is consuming a small amount of carbs pre (and usually intra), a small amount post (ex. post meal: eggs, meat, toast), transitioning to pro/fat through the middle of the day, and using the rest of the allotted carbs at night to help with sleep. That's just one possible setup though. Like I mentioned, the approach used depends on a lot of factors.
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Perfect. thats exactly the type of info was looking for. thanks big man.
 
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