TR3N & EP15TANE STACK - LOG - Unsponsored

[Dma378]

Also, what are all these e-mails I'm receiving regarding a ban on PH's and liquidation sales???

Bro have you not heard? The ban has been passed by both houses of Congress. It now awaits the President's signature and all prohormones current and future will be controlled substances. So the sales you are seeing are just that, liquidating stock.

To answer your other question, yes both are probably overkill on cycle. I would save the Form for an AI in pct.

 

[sofresh1182]

Bro have you not heard? The ban has been passed by both houses of Congress. It now awaits the President's signature and all prohormones current and future will be controlled substances. So the sales you are seeing are just that, liquidating stock.

To answer your other question, yes both are probably overkill on cycle. I would save the Form for an AI in pct.

What's the shelf life on these products if I were to want to stock up?

If I use the Form for an AI in the PCT, is the DermaStrength going to be overkill during the PCT?

Thanks!

 

[Dma378]

What's the shelf life on these products if I were to want to stock up? If I use the Form for an AI in the PCT, is the DermaStrength going to be overkill during the PCT? Thanks!

Keep in a cool dark place and sealed, shelf life should be a couple years.

Not overkill at all.

 

[sofresh1182]

Sincere apologies for the no update since my original post. With the holidays that were coming up, the multiple lost packages, the family due in town while I was set to ran transdermals, the PH ban, and no real opportunity to focus and zero in on my goals, I decided it was best off that I postpone my planned cycle.

All that said, I'm hoping I can round back up the support and following to finally move the needle. Over the past eight weeks, I have stayed in the gym, with the thought and focus of increasing my stats, and finding a baseline for the PH cycle I've desired to run. Diet hasn't been on point, especially over the past two weeks, as I caught a flu bug and lost 7lbs over 36 hours -- get your flu shots!


Again, the plan is to recomp/strength and I hope to start tomorrow. I want to add a little size, while losing the belly fat. I realize clean dieting will help expedite my goals. I eat relatively clean in order to hit my daily macros. During this cycle I will buckle down to the tee. I'm going to completely cut out the excess carbs from the bowls of raisin bran I eat at 12am.

(three changes to original cycle and updated the mixup between epi and tren dosing)

PH Cycle:
TR3N: 60/60/90/90/90/90
EP15TANE: 45/45/45/45/45/45
X1-KT: 1.5ml/1.5ml/1.5ml/2ml/2ml/2ml (compound and dose added based on research towards desired goals and understanding product)

On Cycle:
Ar1macare Pro: As directed on bottle
Inhibit-P: As directed on bottle

Post Cycle:
Clomid: 25/25/50/50/50/50 (clomid dosing updated based on member feedback)
Sup3r PCT: 4/4/4/3/2/1
Derma Strength: As directed on bottle
TransForm: As directed on bottle (moved from on-cycle to post based on member feedback)

Additional Supplements (Always):
L-Gluatmine, BCAA's, Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil, Multi Vitamin, Whey Protein

X1-KT or 11-Ketotestosterone: is an oxidized form of testosterone. This compound is known to lower cortisol levels. This is due to 11-ketotestosterone being a strong selective inhibitor and is known to reduce activity of 11β-HSD1. High cortisol levels can lead to increased stored body fat. Ketotestosterone is testosterone that contains keto at the 11-position. 11-Ketotestosterone is a naturally occurring anabolic compound. This effective ingredient does not aromatize therefore estrogen related side effects should not occur while on cycle.

My concern is controlling cortisol levels while both on the Epistane / Tren stack. I'm confident the TransForm in the PCT will help bring my cortisol levels back into balance during the PCT.

Credit: strong supplement shop

Pics, Diet Log, Work Out Log coming at the end of the week.

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[BRUstrong]

Sincere apologies for the no update since my original post. With the holidays that were coming up, the multiple lost packages, the family due in town while I was set to ran transdermals, the PH ban, and no real opportunity to focus and zero in on my goals, I decided it was best off that I postpone my planned cycle.

All that said, I'm hoping I can round back up the support and following to finally move the needle. Over the past eight weeks, I have stayed in the gym, with the thought and focus of increasing my stats, and finding a baseline for the PH cycle I've desired to run. Diet hasn't been on point, especially over the past two weeks, as I caught a flu bug and lost 7lbs over 36 hours -- get your flu shots!


Again, the plan is to recomp/strength and I hope to start tomorrow. I want to add a little size, while losing the belly fat. I realize clean dieting will help expedite my goals. I eat relatively clean in order to hit my daily macros. During this cycle I will buckle down to the tee. I'm going to completely cut out the excess carbs from the bowls of raisin bran I eat at 12am.

(three changes to original cycle and updated the mixup between epi and tren dosing)

PH Cycle:
TR3N: 60/60/90/90/90/90
EP15TANE: 45/45/45/45/45/45
X1-KT: 1.5ml/1.5ml/1.5ml/2ml/2ml/2ml (compound and dose added based on research towards desired goals and understanding product)

On Cycle:
Ar1macare Pro: As directed on bottle
Inhibit-P: As directed on bottle

Post Cycle:
Clomid: 25/25/50/50/50/50 (clomid dosing updated based on member feedback)
Sup3r PCT: 4/4/4/3/2/1
Derma Strength: As directed on bottle
TransForm: As directed on bottle (moved from on-cycle to post based on member feedback)

Additional Supplements (Always):
L-Gluatmine, BCAA's, Fish Oil, Flax Seed Oil, Multi Vitamin, Whey Protein

X1-KT or 11-Ketotestosterone: is an oxidized form of testosterone. This compound is known to lower cortisol levels. This is due to 11-ketotestosterone being a strong selective inhibitor and is known to reduce activity of 11β-HSD1. High cortisol levels can lead to increased stored body fat. Ketotestosterone is testosterone that contains keto at the 11-position. 11-Ketotestosterone is a naturally occurring anabolic compound. This effective ingredient does not aromatize therefore estrogen related side effects should not occur while on cycle.

My concern is controlling cortisol levels while both on the Epistane / Tren stack. I'm confident the TransForm in the PCT will help bring my cortisol levels back into balance during the PCT.

Credit: strong supplement shop

Pics, Diet Log, Work Out Log coming at the end of the week.

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Why are you ramping your Clomid instead of tapering? And 6 weeks at those dosages is a lot

 

[sofresh1182]

Why are you ramping your Clomid instead of tapering? And 6 weeks at those dosages is a lot

Another typo, but glad you called me out on it. RE: the 6 weeks at those dosage is a lot. How do you mean?

 

[mixedup]

Yeah start out high than go low on Clomid

 

[BRUstrong]

Another typo, but glad you called me out on it. RE: the 6 weeks at those dosage is a lot. How do you mean?

You should run the Clomid 50/50/25/25. Four weeks is fine. Running it longer and you're likely going to get sides (blurred vision, emotional issues, etc)

 

[jmyers]

^^^^Agreed

 

[dbrock504]

I'm on the same cycle. Ditch the arm1care pro get cycle assist, TUDCA and dermacrine. I'm sorry I didn't. I'm almost at week 5 and the lethargy is killing me. Also, I have no libido. I ran out of arm1care a week ago and got cycle assist and dermacrine just got in the mail. Hopefully I'll be back to form in a few days.

 

[bcazo]

I'm on the same cycle. Ditch the arm1care pro get cycle assist, TUDCA and dermacrine. I'm sorry I didn't. I'm almost at week 5 and the lethargy is killing me. Also, I have no libido. I ran out of arm1care a week ago and got cycle assist and dermacrine just got in the mail. Hopefully I'll be back to form in a few days.

Derma will definitely help your libido

 

[BRUstrong]

Yea I've also heard good things about derma. I stocked up on stano for my next tren run but I'm glad derma is another good (and still legal) option

 

[bcazo]

Yea I've also heard good things about derma. I stocked up on stano for my next tren run but I'm glad derma is another good (and still legal) option

Stano is awesome too you will not be disappointed

 

[dbrock504]

Yea I've also heard good things about derma. I stocked up on stano for my next tren run but I'm glad derma is another good (and still legal) option

Ya the only reason I didn't get Stano is because of the ban. Dermacrine is still available. First application tonight!

 

[digitalducki]

Is it ok to add derma if you're already 3 weeks into a 6 week run?

 

[sofresh1182]

I'm on the same cycle. Ditch the arm1care pro get cycle assist, TUDCA and dermacrine. I'm sorry I didn't. I'm almost at week 5 and the lethargy is killing me. Also, I have no libido. I ran out of arm1care a week ago and got cycle assist and dermacrine just got in the mail. Hopefully I'll be back to form in a few days.

In light of Pete Carroll's play call at the end of the Seahawks last offensive possession in yesterdays Super Bowl, I decided to call an audible on my stack.

I subbed the TR3N with the TR3ST, primarily for one reason. I read so many posts from an array of PH forums that mentioned how much tren would hurt their cardio on cycle. I didn't think it would be conducive to the work out regiments both in the weight room and on the mats.

I also read that the TR3ST would give me more energy and conversely help my libido as a test base. That being said, would you still suggest ditching the arm1care in exchange for the cycle assist, TUDCA, and dermacrine?

 

[Dma378]

I can't speak for dbrock's answer, but I would not include Dermacrine with Tr3st as it is totally unnecessary. But what AI do you have to run with the Tr3st?

 

[dbrock504]

Is it ok to add derma if you're already 3 weeks into a 6 week run?

I don't know but I'm doin it 5 weeks in lol I don't care man this lethargy is killin me

 

[dbrock504]

In light of Pete Carroll's play call at the end of the Seahawks last offensive possession in yesterdays Super Bowl, I decided to call an audible on my stack. I subbed the TR3N with the TR3ST, primarily for one reason. I read so many posts from an array of PH forums that mentioned how much tren would hurt their cardio on cycle. I didn't think it would be conducive to the work out regiments both in the weight room and on the mats. I also read that the TR3ST would give me more energy and conversely help my libido as a test base. That being said, would you still suggest ditching the arm1care in exchange for the cycle assist, TUDCA, and dermacrine?

Hahahaha love the Seahawks reference!

Yes the trest is a good test base and you wouldn't need the dermacrine any more, but I would still ditch the armicare pro and get TUDCA and cycle assist. Armicare is under dosed and doesn't give me what I look for in an on cycle. I only used it because it was given to me. And now I know why it was given...

I don't know where you read the tren affects cardio. I do 55 min a day on the stair master and sweat like a nun at a cucumber stall. I love it!

 

[sofresh1182]

I can't speak for dbrock's answer, but I would not include Dermacrine with Tr3st as it is totally unnecessary. But what AI do you have to run with the Tr3st?

Ar1macare Pro, however according to dbrock, it's under dosed. Hope I can get an overnight of the TUDCA and Cycle Assist. I just started this morning.

 

[dbrock504]

Ar1macare Pro, however according to dbrock, it's under dosed. Hope I can get an overnight of the TUDCA and Cycle Assist. I just started this morning.

Don't worry about it too much man if you've started the armicare, run the bottle. Around week 4 you'll be done with it switch to cycle assist and TUDCA.

 

[BRUstrong]

Ar1macare Pro, however according to dbrock, it's under dosed. Hope I can get an overnight of the TUDCA and Cycle Assist. I just started this morning.

You're likely going to need a stronger AI on trest. I got by with formestane but some go for a research chem. I don't think arimistane will be enough

 

[dbrock504]

You're likely going to need a stronger AI on trest. I got by with formestane but some go for a research chem. I don't think arimistane will be enough

ya that's true if you are gonna do trest. I say stick with tren and run dermacrine. But that's just my opinion.

 

[BRUstrong]

ya that's true if you are gonna do trest. I say stick with tren and run dermacrine. But that's just my opinion.

OP, I went back to your first post and, based on your goals, I agree with this. Trest is a lot of fun, but you'll get wet gains (not dry like Tren) and you really need to make sure you have estro in control

 

[sofresh1182]

OP, I went back to your first post and, based on your goals, I agree with this. Trest is a lot of fun, but you'll get wet gains (not dry like Tren) and you really need to make sure you have estro in control

I dosed 75mg of tr3st today... i'm assuming it's too late to switch to the tr3n.

 

[dbrock504]

I dosed 75mg of tr3st today... i'm assuming it's too late to switch to the tr3n.

I personally don't think you're ready for trest. It presents more sides than that Oly tren. You don't seem like you know what you're doing too too well, so you could have estro issues down the road. Just be careful with it

 

[edje007]

Ar1macare Pro, however according to dbrock, it's under dosed. Hope I can get an overnight of the TUDCA and Cycle Assist. I just started this morning.

Don't agree on that...ar1macare pro is fine.... Extra tudca never hurts.

 

[BRUstrong]

I dosed 75mg of tr3st today... i'm assuming it's too late to switch to the tr3n.

It's not too late after just one dose. Even a well-dosed arimistane supplement is not going to be enough for trest. You want to cut body fat and I assume you want a dry look. Trest is wet. You will get puffy, especially without a strong AI (not to mention the likelihood of getting gyno). I ran trest (75mg dermatrest and 25mg Tr3st daily for 6 weeks). When I started, I knew what my goals were - I was about 9% body fat and I wanted to put on mass. I wanted to get thicker, not necessarily drier. I dosed it with (among other on cycle support) 2 pumps of Formeron daily. That kept the gyno issues at bay and trest did just what it was supposed to do. However, I knew the risks - it is one of the hardest compounds when it comes to shutdown. You'll feel great on cycle, but if you pct is off, you run the risk of really screwing yourself in the future.

Based on the fact that you've run 3 cycles with bad pct's, I don't know if you're ready for trest (or tren honestly). You shouldn't run ANY cycles with a bad pct if you do your homework first. Especially being a member here - there is TONS of info on proper cycles and pct. Not flaming, but it sounds like your mind is clouded with the potential gains, and you're not realizing the risks

 

[dbrock504]

Don't agree on that...ar1macare pro is fine.... Extra tudca never hurts.

Daily serving of both products

Arm1care Pro-
250mg TUDCA
500 NAC
300 haw Berry
220 Saw palmetto
0 milk thistle

Blockade-
1000 NAC
1000 milk thistle
350 haw Berry
300 saw palmetto
500 ZMA

And to run 500 mg TUDCA on top of the blockade... Arm1care pro is under dosed.

 

[sofresh1182]

It's not too late after just one dose. Even a well-dosed arimistane supplement is not going to be enough for trest. You want to cut body fat and I assume you want a dry look. Trest is wet. You will get puffy, especially without a strong AI (not to mention the likelihood of getting gyno). I ran trest (75mg dermatrest and 25mg Tr3st daily for 6 weeks). When I started, I knew what my goals were - I was about 9% body fat and I wanted to put on mass. I wanted to get thicker, not necessarily drier. I dosed it with (among other on cycle support) 2 pumps of Formeron daily. That kept the gyno issues at bay and trest did just what it was supposed to do. However, I knew the risks - it is one of the hardest compounds when it comes to shutdown. You'll feel great on cycle, but if you pct is off, you run the risk of really screwing yourself in the future.

Based on the fact that you've run 3 cycles with bad pct's, I don't know if you're ready for trest (or tren honestly). You shouldn't run ANY cycles with a bad pct if you do your homework first. Especially being a member here - there is TONS of info on proper cycles and pct. Not flaming, but it sounds like your mind is clouded with the potential gains, and you're not realizing the risks

No worries on the flaming thought brother, I sincerely appreciate your concern. I mentioned the poor PCT's first 3 cycle, because I don't think I was as well researched as I am today. The first cycle I ever ran was XtremeTren. I ran it solo with on cycle support, and my PCT was an OTC. This was in 2009. My next two cycles I ran with a serm (2012 & 2014), which were better, but my follow through (diet, training) wasn't what it should have been. For this cycle, I feel more confident in what products I am using, in addition to a strong game plan, and focus once I finish.

No, I'm not a scientist by any means. In fact, I had a hard time passing chemistry in 10th grade, and was learning disabled in math. Not trying to excuse myself, but want to point out learning PH's has been extremely difficult, but I am trying, more so trying to do the right thing. I deem the right thing to be what the general buzz is, and consenting opinion of these types of forums, and the members who post.

My goal is to recomp and lose body fat, and I'd prefer a drier look, than the "wet look" but I dosed another 25mg of trest this morning. I think at this point it's best that I continue on this route, unless the majority agree that it's okay for me to still switch. If anyone else has an opinion, please let me know! Do you not think the tr3st will help me with the body fat? I'm assuming I can use TransForm as opposed to Formeron? It seems they are pretty similar in make up, but want to confirm.

Yesterday:

Morning
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Afternoon
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Evening
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Today

Morning
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule


Please let me know if you still think it's okay to move from the Tr3st to Tr3N or I should stick with where I'm at.

 

[sofresh1182]

Daily serving of both products

Arm1care Pro-
250mg TUDCA
500 NAC
300 haw Berry
220 Saw palmetto
0 milk thistle

Blockade-
1000 NAC
1000 milk thistle
350 haw Berry
300 saw palmetto
500 ZMA

And to run 500 mg TUDCA on top of the blockade... Arm1care pro is under dosed.

Are you referring to Assault Labs Blockade? I do have that on hand right now. I can start it with my next dose planned at 2pm. This is for added support on the estrogen sides, correct?

I'll go to the supp store this evening to find the TUDCA. Sincerely appreciate the feedback.

 

[sofresh1182]

Can you provide some feedback or insight why you think the Ar1macare Pro is enough, or specifically, why you don't think I should add Blockade as on cycle support?

Thanks for chiming in edje007!

 

[edje007]

Can you provide some feedback or insight why you think the Ar1macare Pro is enough, or specifically, why you don't think I should add Blockade as on cycle support?

Thanks for chiming in edje007!

First off...if you add tr3st, you definetely need a good ai. Ar1macare pro or every other cycle support supp won't cut it.

Transform would be nice, but some even need a stronger ai for tr3st(not otc products)


For ep15tane and other methylated ph's, ar1macare pro is enough. Extra tudca won't hurt.

 

[dbrock504]

Are you referring to Assault Labs Blockade? I do have that on hand right now. I can start it with my next dose planned at 2pm. This is for added support on the estrogen sides, correct? I'll go to the supp store this evening to find the TUDCA. Sincerely appreciate the feedback.

No bro it has nothing to do with estro sides. It's just an on cycle supp for liver, bp, prostate, etc care.

 

[BRUstrong]

No worries on the flaming thought brother, I sincerely appreciate your concern. I mentioned the poor PCT's first 3 cycle, because I don't think I was as well researched as I am today. The first cycle I ever ran was XtremeTren. I ran it solo with on cycle support, and my PCT was an OTC. This was in 2009. My next two cycles I ran with a serm (2012 & 2014), which were better, but my follow through (diet, training) wasn't what it should have been. For this cycle, I feel more confident in what products I am using, in addition to a strong game plan, and focus once I finish.

No, I'm not a scientist by any means. In fact, I had a hard time passing chemistry in 10th grade, and was learning disabled in math. Not trying to excuse myself, but want to point out learning PH's has been extremely difficult, but I am trying, more so trying to do the right thing. I deem the right thing to be what the general buzz is, and consenting opinion of these types of forums, and the members who post.

My goal is to recomp and lose body fat, and I'd prefer a drier look, than the "wet look" but I dosed another 25mg of trest this morning. I think at this point it's best that I continue on this route, unless the majority agree that it's okay for me to still switch. If anyone else has an opinion, please let me know! Do you not think the tr3st will help me with the body fat? I'm assuming I can use TransForm as opposed to Formeron? It seems they are pretty similar in make up, but want to confirm.

Yesterday:

Morning
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Afternoon
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Evening
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule

Today

Morning
Tr3st (25mg)
Ep15stane (15mg)
Inhibit-P: 1 capsule
Arm1care Pro: 1 capsule


Please let me know if you still think it's okay to move from the Tr3st to Tr3N or I should stick with where I'm at.

It's still fine to switch. Some people even stack trest and tren. You know your body best, but from what you've posted so far, I think tren would be a better option right now. Your body fat will be controlled by diet, but again, you are going to have some bloat and your gains will be wet. If you're going to be unhappy with yourself in the mirror, it's going to cause a lot of mental strife that you don't need, especially on cycle. I'm not gyno prone, so I got by with formestane. If you're not, you should be okay with transform. If you are, get a research chem.

Also, make sure you have reputable source for Clomid, and enough of it, for pct if you're going to run trest...especially if you want kids in the future. I ran pharma because I have a script for it for TRT.

No worries about your background man. I took all my chems, ochems, biochems, etc in undergrad then ended up becoming an attorney haha! I'm by no means an expert, but I do as much of my own research as I can and I ask a lot of questions here. You're not trolling, you're actually seeking advice, so you shouldn't be catching any sh*t from anybody.

Good luck and keep the questions coming if you have more.

 

[sofresh1182]

First off...if you add tr3st, you definetely need a good ai. Ar1macare pro or every other cycle support supp won't cut it.

Transform would be nice, but some even need a stronger ai for tr3st(not otc products)


For ep15tane and other methylated ph's, ar1macare pro is enough. Extra tudca won't hurt.

What about making the switch from Tr3st to Tr3n, and the idea of then using TransFrom as my AI?

It's disheartening to hear all this, because the supp company I purchased from, told me I was good to go without the TransForm during the on-cycle. They said it'd be overkill..

Right now, I've does 100mg of Tr3st over the past 30 hours, so my biggest concern is the transition.

Thanks for following up.

 

[edje007]

What about making the switch from Tr3st to Tr3n, and the idea of then using TransFrom as my AI?

It's disheartening to hear all this, because the supp company I purchased from, told me I was good to go without the TransForm during the on-cycle. They said it'd be overkill..

Right now, I've does 100mg of Tr3st over the past 30 hours, so my biggest concern is the transition.

Thanks for following up.

Defenitely add transform(or a other formestane product.) Arimistane is not strong enough as an ai.

Tr3st aromatises...kicked my ass before. Most get away with a formestane product

 

[dbrock504]

What about making the switch from Tr3st to Tr3n, and the idea of then using TransFrom as my AI? It's disheartening to hear all this, because the supp company I purchased from, told me I was good to go without the TransForm during the on-cycle. They said it'd be overkill.. Right now, I've does 100mg of Tr3st over the past 30 hours, so my biggest concern is the transition. Thanks for following up.

There is nothing to worry about after taking 30 hours. It's not really even in your system. It takes days. And transform along with ar1macare pro is overkill because they both have AI in it.

You're complicating things.

 

[BRUstrong]

What about making the switch from Tr3st to Tr3n, and the idea of then using TransFrom as my AI?

It's disheartening to hear all this, because the supp company I purchased from, told me I was good to go without the TransForm during the on-cycle. They said it'd be overkill..

Right now, I've does 100mg of Tr3st over the past 30 hours, so my biggest concern is the transition.

Thanks for following up.

I responded to your PM brother. You are getting confused. Transform and Ar1macare is overkill for Tr3n, but may not be ENOUGH for Tr3st. Trest has estro sides. Tren has prolactin sides. If you run OL Tr3n at 90-120mg/day you should be fine with Inhibit-P. I went into greater detail in my PM