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Ostarine Questions

larkham said:
Did you get your bloods back? Sorry if I missed it
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Yes I did, they are listed a few comments above.

On side note, here is why our health system is so screwed up! I paid private MD labs $54 for the female hormone panel after a 15% discount. I just received a bill from labcorp for the services by mistake for $689.00!!!!
 
Libido gone on clomid pct, i'm guessing your prolactin is high... Mine was raised to twice the max level... Stayed like that for weeks.. I used a bit of nolva and arimistane and e2 went down quick, and test up, but until prolactin went down, my libido was shot. L-dopa(dopadex) would have taken it down quicker. From my ostarine run, with blood work, testo was just a bit suppressed, estrogen slighly high, but my libido with those levels i had, i have had before, and had decent libido.. High prolactin is a much heftier libido killer. ostarine might raise prolactin, and clomid will not help..
 
woodbear said:
Libido gone on clomid pct, i'm guessing your prolactin is high... Mine was raised to twice the max level... Stayed like that for weeks.. I used a bit of nolva and arimistane and e2 went down quick, and test up, but until prolactin went down, my libido was shot. L-dopa(dopadex) would have taken it down quicker. From my ostarine run, with blood work, testo was just a bit suppressed, estrogen slighly high, but my libido with those levels i had, i have had before, and had decent libido.. High prolactin is a much heftier libido killer. ostarine might raise prolactin, and clomid will not help..
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Many times it's the estrogen level that is the underlying cause of high prolactin. So typically you want to get the estrogen in check and then see if that relieves the prolactin issue.
 
kissdadookie said:
Many times it's the estrogen level that is the underlying cause of high prolactin. So typically you want to get the estrogen in check and then see if that relieves the prolactin issue.
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I was going to reduce clomid to 20mg Ed, this next week, and 20mg EOD weekafter, then off! Good?
 
The more I read of Ostarine, the more I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
I'll keep on my cycle and see how I go though.
 
I think some people are more prone to negative side effects than others. I'm on my third Osta cycle and I'm feeling great. 25mg per day. Only side effect I'm feeling is slight increase in bp but not high enough to cause concern. Libido is fine. Aggression is up slightly. Feel a little alpha on it. I'm cutting and making steady progress.
 
larkham said:
The more I read of Ostarine, the more I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
I'll keep on my cycle and see how I go though.
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Imho, it's not that it has a lot of side effects, it's more that there's not much to gain from it IMO so even if the side effects are mild, is it worth it if you don't make that much in terms of gains off the stuff?
 
exactly my thoughts too. Even though i don't want to inject it seems that a 250 mg test-e/c cycle with anavar. winny or Tbol is going to give me more results than ostarine with similiar side effects
 
This is my blood test result 4 weeks after pct , I ran osta 20 mg 8 weeks ed followed by 2 weeks nolvadex and 2 weeks Clomid, serm are pharma grade not rc. Testosterone 39 normal range 7-30 , estrogen 340 (44-156), LH: 4.7 (1.7-8), FSH: 6.3 (1.5-12), prolactin : 109 (86-324). Cholesterol:4.5 (2.5-5) . Kidney and liver functions are normal too.

Testesteron was 18 and estrogen was 97 prior to osta.
It seems that estrogen is very high and testesteron too. I know ostarine increases estrogen but this is very high . I think serm may increased it via aromatization.
 
Faktalay said:
This is my blood test result 4 weeks after pct , I ran osta 20 mg 8 weeks ed followed by 2 weeks nolvadex and 2 weeks Clomid, serm are pharma grade not rc. Testosterone 39 normal range 7-30 , estrogen 340 (44-156), LH: 4.7 (1.7-8), FSH: 6.3 (1.5-12), prolactin : 109 (86-324). Cholesterol:4.5 (2.5-5) . Kidney and liver functions are normal too.

Testesteron was 18 and estrogen was 97 prior to osta.
It seems that estrogen is very high and testesteron too. I know ostarine increases estrogen but this is very high . I think serm may increased it via aromatization.
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The SERMs definitely increased estrogen because they're so supposed. They simply protect you from estrogen's negative effects.

This is why you always run an AI (preferably Exemestane) at the tail end of your PCT so that you normalize estrogen while keeping elevated test levels.
 
The Engineer said:
The SERMs definitely increased estrogen because they're so supposed. They simply protect you from estrogen's negative effects.

This is why you always run an AI (preferably Exemestane) at the tail end of your PCT so that you normalize estrogen while keeping elevated test levels.
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Could I use my formabolic?
Btw my low libido of last week is back to normal + now.
 
Fit1962 said:
Could I use my formabolic?
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Yes, it's like a weaker Exemestane. I just don't deal with it because I hate topical products. I can never get the dosage correct...

Plus with Forma if you accidentally apply too much some of it may convert to 4-HT and then you risk suppressing yourself. But you don't see many Form-only cycles. Just something to keep in mind.
 
The Engineer said:
The SERMs definitely increased estrogen because they're so supposed. They simply protect you from estrogen's negative effects.

This is why you always run an AI (preferably Exemestane) at the tail end of your PCT so that you normalize estrogen while keeping elevated test levels.
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I have an alphamax in hand and it has 75 mg artimistane in daily serving , is that enough ? or exemestane definitely needed
 
Faktalay said:
I have an alphamax in hand and it has 75 mg artimistane in daily serving , is that enough ? or exemestane definitely needed
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Personally, I don't trust this ingredient solely on the fact that there's no scientific testing. I could care less about anecdotal feedback.

If we can't stack this up against the other pharmaceutical AIs (and for argument's sake Forma is RX because it was developed as AI for postmenopausal women) then it simply cannot be taken seriously.

I suggest Exemestane because even though it is the most expensive AI out there, it is the most effective by being TYPE1 Steroidal, by increasing IGF-1 (which the SERMs will lower) and by lowering SHBG. You can run letro if you'd like, but you could run into the case of rebound aromatase. Exemstane cannot cause rebound aromatase.
 
The Engineer said:
Personally, I don't trust this ingredient solely on the fact that there's no scientific testing. I could care less about anecdotal feedback.

If we can't stack this up against the other pharmaceutical AIs (and for argument's sake Forma is RX because it was developed as AI for postmenopausal women) then it simply cannot be taken seriously.

I suggest Exemestane because even though it is the most expensive AI out there, it is the most effective by being TYPE1 Steroidal, by increasing IGF-1 (which the SERMs will lower) and by lowering SHBG. You can run letro if you'd like, but you could run into the case of rebound aromatase. Exemstane cannot cause rebound aromatase.
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Thanks bro , your answer is very comprehensive, is there any RC version of it or does it has to be a
pharma grade?
 
The Engineer said:
RC as a backup. Go with pharma if you have the funds. If you live in a country with good health coverage, try and pick it from the pharmacy.
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Where I am from I can get anything from pharmacy, (Turkey) but I cannot get that easily where I live now. (UK) But I will sort something out
 
The Engineer said:
Personally, I don't trust this ingredient (Arimistane - TOG) solely on the fact that there's no scientific testing. I could care less about anecdotal feedback.

If we can't stack this up against the other pharmaceutical AIs (and for argument's sake Forma is RX because it was developed as AI for postmenopausal women) then it simply cannot be taken seriously.

I suggest Exemestane because even though it is the most expensive AI out there, it is the most effective by being TYPE1 Steroidal, by increasing IGF-1 (which the SERMs will lower) and by lowering SHBG. You can run letro if you'd like, but you could run into the case of rebound aromatase. Exemstane cannot cause rebound aromatase.
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My research on here also shows a few posts with actual bloodwork, showing Arimistane not working, and anecdotally taking 12 weeks to be felt if it does. So now I'm a little confused: During a 6 week PCT for an 8 week (2x) 1-DHEA & (1.5x) 4-DHEA cycle, should I use Exemestane/Aromasin (I have it - RC)? I have zero experience with estrogen, so I don't know if I should even worry about it with these compounds - but I want to be prepared. "Only if you see signs of high estrogen" is a little scary for someone who doesn't know what that is, LOL!

If yes, when is it introduced and at what dosage?

If not, does that mean another OTC AI like the compounds in Erase Pro or Inhibit-E would be recommended over Arimistane containing products? This is my last piece of the puzzle - I thought I had it all nailed...but then I kept reading :-)

Edit - Sorry this isn't about Ostarine, but it seemed the best place to ask this specific question.
 
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Signs of estrogen include nipple sensitivity or tenderness, bloating, looking softer than normal. You can typically tell if you're having estrogen issues when you're on a cycle. Especially if you're fairly lean the effects are more noticeable.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
My research on here also shows a few posts with actual bloodwork, showing Arimistane not working, and anecdotally taking 12 weeks to be felt if it does. So now I'm a little confused: During a 6 week PCT for an 8 week (2x) 1-DHEA & (1.5x) 4-DHEA cycle, should I use Exemestane/Aromasin (I have it - RC)? I have zero experience with estrogen, so I don't know if I should even worry about it with these compounds - but I want to be prepared. "Only if you see signs of high estrogen" is a little scary for someone who doesn't know what that is, LOL!

If yes, when is it introduced and at what dosage?

If not, does that mean another OTC AI like the compounds in Erase Pro or Inhibit-E would be recommended over Arimistane containing products? This is my last piece of the puzzle - I thought I had it all nailed...but then I kept reading :-)

Edit - Sorry this isn't about Ostarine, but it seemed the best place to ask this specific question.
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Best to not worry so much about it. You'll start thinking you have gyno left and right.

Also not necessary to take an AI on cycle ATM and if you come across real issues, the OTC AIs really are not going to do much.

On top of that, the stuff your taking is going to be very mild with the side effects, enjoy the cycle rather than getting anxious about possible side effects ATM.
 
The Engineer said:
Some use an estro-blocker on this type of cycle due to the possible aromatization of 4-dhea. That's why 1-dhea is brought in to "dryness," however this doesn't always work. I have seen cycles of 1-Dhea+4-Dhea that included an AI, so I follow the basic PCT principles of all AAS users (and for reference I will be following this on my next DMZ and MSten cycles even if they are considered "dry")

2 weeks before the cycle ends, introduce an AI if you're not already on one. In this instance you can use letro/adex at a low/normal dose.
Once the cycle is officially over, begin clomid treatment.
In week 4 of PCT -introduce your serm of choice: tamox/torem/ralox
In week 7, introduce an AI (preferably exemestane, but you can do formestane)
At this point you can add something to control SHBG, but exemestane should work in this regard as well.
Continue with the AI for 3-4 more weeks.​

Yes, this is a heavy PCT and sounds like one for long-esters, but I don't fck around with this stuff and neither should anyone else. The blatant disregard for one's health in some of these threads (not saying this one) is ridiculously appalling.
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Really overkill at the very modest doses of the PH for a person that's well developed as an adult (biologically speaking).

You also want some estrogen conversion for the 4-dhea because the suppression from 1-dhea + there being not much of anything to aromatize, not that great of an idea. So very low doses of 4-dhea that The_Old_Guy is running as a test base, seriously not a whole lot to be very concerned about.
 
Ok, phew. Sorry KDD, you said this before, I know...then I kept reading and didn't want to fire another 10,000 questions at you :-) I am now 100% good to go. BTW, on day 9 I had a PR for decline bench, and yesterday (day 11) a PR on Deadlifts. This stuff isn't supposed to kick in until day 21, so I don't know... but I'm not complaining. (I *am* doing ArA and PA though).
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Ok, phew. Sorry KDD, you said this before, I know...then I kept reading and didn't want to fire another 10,000 questions at you :-) I am now 100% good to go. BTW, on day 9 I had a PR for decline bench, and yesterday (day 11) a PR on Deadlifts. This stuff isn't supposed to kick in until day 21, so I don't know... but I'm not complaining. (I *am* doing ArA and PA though).
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That sounds about right. I didn't notice body comp changes until around the 3rd week though, but some slight strength bumps earlier than that (which were IMO so modest that I wasn't sure if it was the compounds or just natural progression).
 
Going to run a 4 week cycle of Ostarine 20 mg. will I need to run a PCT After? I've read online there is little suppression and PCT is not needed. Is this true?
 
Quick Q. Has anyone ever experainced bad back pumps on just osta? currently running 20mg with a natty t-boost for a little jump start cycle and the back pumps are killer, Celtic Ostabol.
 
jschug72 said:
Going to run a 4 week cycle of Ostarine 20 mg. will I need to run a PCT After? I've read online there is little suppression and PCT is not needed. Is this true?
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Today is my 4th week @ 20mg. Can't say I've really noticed that much, most people run 6 weeks. I have a log up if you want to follow.

Some DAA & a natty test booster should be fine for PCT. Having an AI on hand is suggested.
 
In think the suppression on Osta is mild enough that it isn't physically noticeable by most people. I'm sure it would be noticed on the numbers of a blood test . I personally haven't noticed any shrinking testes or low libido but others claim they have. It might have a lot to do with your hormonal state before starting.
 
why3zx said:
Quick Q. Has anyone ever experainced bad back pumps on just osta? currently running 20mg with a natty t-boost for a little jump start cycle and the back pumps are killer, Celtic Ostabol.
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I'm running Ostar1ne at 25mg daily, 6 weeks in now and I've just started noticing night sweats and back pumps. The back pumps in my last workout reminded me of what I've experienced with Superdrol years ago. The only thing I've changed was adding Ep1c as well last week. But I didn't notice anything like this with Ep1c when I ran it a few months ago. I've also swelled up the past week or so, definitely enhanced glycogen storage and added about 5 lb. Any chance it took 6 weeks for ostarine to kick in or there's some awesome synergy between the 2? Anyone have any thoughts?
 
ddfox said:
Today is my 4th week @ 20mg. Can't say I've really noticed that much, most people run 6 weeks. I have a log up if you want to follow.

Some DAA & a natty test booster should be fine for PCT. Having an AI on hand is suggested.
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Thanks for the info. What AI would u recommend. First cycle of this stuff and want to make sure I'm covering anything I need to
 
jschug72 said:
Thanks for the info. What AI would u recommend. First cycle of this stuff and want to make sure I'm covering anything I need to
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Shouldn't need too much with Osta, a good OTC should suffice and with formestane gone now the next step ip is RC's
 
jschug72 said:
Ostarine I've been reading erase is also a good one too and it states it a natural test booster. Ever try it?
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I enjoy Erase, I have only used it solo while cutting though, I think from a strictly E-lowering standpoint you may be better off with what I mentioned
 
I'm running bps elimistane on my Osta cut right now. Dried me the hell out. I look nice and hard now. Seems to be keeping estro in check.
 
Anyone else here find themselves feeling increased aggression? I never noticed it when I ran it before but this time it's very noticeable.
 
does ostarine negatively interact with other supplements such as test boosters, fish oil, AI, etc?
 
jgntyce said:
does ostarine negatively interact with other supplements such as test boosters, fish oil, AI, etc?
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I would say through personal experiences that it works well with other supplements especially test boosters. I felt better on osta when running a combo of test boosters than when running it without.
 
McCrew530 said:
I would say through personal experiences that it works well with other supplements especially test boosters. I felt better on osta when running a combo of test boosters than when running it without.
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thanks! did u take ostarine simultaneously or spread apart from the other supplements?
 
jgntyce said:
thanks! did u take ostarine simultaneously or spread apart from the other supplements?
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I took Ironmag labs Osta Rx which has a mix of stuff then when I was out of that I took Olympus labs osta solo for a couple of weeks then added in another mix of test boosters and would say that I felt a bit better when the other supplements were in the mix
 
McCrew530 said:
I took Ironmag labs Osta Rx which has a mix of stuff then when I was out of that I took Olympus labs osta solo for a couple of weeks then added in another mix of test boosters and would say that I felt a bit better when the other supplements were in the mix
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yes sir! just ordered a bottle of OL Ostar1ne.
 
Right on, if you like Osta check out platinum nutraceuticals. we have some other Sarms on the way plus our test RX has osta and a good mix of test boosters.
 
McCrew530 said:
Right on, if you like Osta check out platinum nutraceuticals. we have some other Sarms on the way plus our test RX has osta and a good mix of test boosters.
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will definitely check it out once I'm done with the OL bottle
 
What's the best stack to run with Ostarine for a cut? Is EC + Ostarine enough? I'm going to run Clomid/Nolva(this is my first cycle ever) since I've read that Osta has a bit of suppression.
 
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