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Ostarine Questions

1-dhea does not aromatize.
4-dhea can aromatize but at test base doses, it's not an issue (you use it to offset the fact that your testosterone levels are knocked down along with estrogen levels)

Don't take an AI for low dose/moderate dose 1-dhea + 4-dhea cycles. Defeats the purpose of the 4-dhea (you're taking it because you want some estrogen along with some test).

Obvious signs of prostate inflammation/enlargement is the old person syndrome of wanting to pee a lot but you don't have a strong stream when you do or it takes awhile to get the flow to start.
 
Hi gents,
I take 600mg of NAC everyday for antioxidant support, along with Vitamin C.
There shouldn't really be any issues to keep taking during my cycle with Osta?
 
anabolix said:
It would?? The whole point in pct is to lower estrogen and raise test. After osta, his estrogen should be on the high side and will want to be lowered, for numerous reasons.
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I have seen blood work showing estrogen on the lower end of normal at the end of a Ostarine cycle. People are assuming way too much with Ostarine and estrogen levels.





Also, I said "healthy levels". Not high.





The point of a PCT is to bring you back to homeostasis. You don't want to obliterate estrogen, it has benefits as well.
 
Since my tendonitis is feeling 100 times better could it be a result of slightly elevated estrogen? Or are there other factors?
 
blacklac said:
I have seen blood work showing estrogen on the lower end of normal at the end of a Ostarine cycle. People are assuming way too much with Ostarine and estrogen levels.





Also, I said "healthy levels". Not high.





The point of a PCT is to bring you back to homeostasis. You don't want to obliterate estrogen, it has benefits as well.
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Osta does raise estrogen. How high? That depends. The way you get your test back up, is by using a serm and/or ai. The way these raise test is by lowering estrogen. You don't need to worry about having a "healthy" level of estrogen..trust me, there will be plenty :-).
 
anabolix said:
Osta does raise estrogen. How high? That depends. The way you get your test back up, is by using a serm and/or ai. The way these raise test is by lowering estrogen. You don't need to worry about having a "healthy" level of estrogen..trust me, there will be plenty :-).
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With the SERMs, not quite how you stated it. They bind to estrogen receptors. You're basically signaling to your body that you have an excess of estrogen and your body's natural response is to up regulate testosterone to bring it back to homeostasis.

AI's are used to counter act some side effects of androgen use such as if the compound being used aromatizes, this will prevent too much estrogen or you may have estrogen rebound or you have up regulation of the aromatase enzyme (as that is likely to happen when using steroids).

So no, PCT's purpose is not to lower estrogen to get more testosterone. Lowering estrogen may be part of it but that is to counter high estrogen side effects, getting your balls to spit out testosterone again is something different, it trying to get your HPTA back to normal.
 
ddfox said:
Since my tendonitis is feeling 100 times better could it be a result of slightly elevated estrogen? Or are there other factors?
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I have a little ever so slightensitivity at 50mgs (obviously) not enough to warrant an ai or serm. I stay dry and lean year round so a little estrogen and water doesn't affect my physique nor does it aggravate gyno. At normal doses I doubt it would be an issue. I actually feel amazing now. A good balance. Haven't felt like this since I did a few shows and was on T
 
I understand how serms work, i just didnt think a big explanation was in order..plus thats no fun on my phone. Of course the goal is to stabilize the hpta. Im aware that i over simplified things a bit. I believe you have it backwards though kisdadookie. With a serm, your body thinks there is 'not enough' estrogen. Your body thinks that because there isnt enough estrogen and therefore not enough test, so it then makes more testosterone. In other words, clomid doesn't raise test because the body thinks there is too much estrogen, but rather because it thinks there isnt enough. Then lh tells your nuts to make more test, then you have more test to convert to estrogen, giving the body what it thinks it needs. Once again, over simplification at it's finest.
 
kissdadookie So no said:
Correct. Pct's purpose is not to lower estro to raise test, its about stabilizing the hpta. BUT, to stabilize the hpta, you trick the body into thinking estrogen is too low in order to raise test. AI's directly lower estrogen, causing your body to raise testosterone. So i stick by what i originally said.
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Hi gents,
Is there any point in running a natty booster along side osta? I'm assuming no point in doing so and save it for PCT with SERM?
 
anabolix said:
I understand how serms work, i just didnt think a big explanation was in order..plus thats no fun on my phone. Of course the goal is to stabilize the hpta. Im aware that i over simplified things a bit. I believe you have it backwards though kisdadookie. With a serm, your body thinks there is 'not enough' estrogen. Your body thinks that because there isnt enough estrogen and therefore not enough test, so it then makes more testosterone. In other words, clomid doesn't raise test because the body thinks there is too much estrogen, but rather because it thinks there isnt enough. Then lh tells your nuts to make more test, then you have more test to convert to estrogen, giving the body what it thinks it needs. Once again, over simplification at it's finest.
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Went back and looked it up, you are correct and I stand corrected ;)

larkham said:
Hi gents,
Is there any point in running a natty booster along side osta? I'm assuming no point in doing so and save it for PCT with SERM?
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IMO, not really.
 
larkham said:
Hi gents, Is there any point in running a natty booster along side osta? I'm assuming no point in doing so and save it for PCT with SERM?
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Like kiss said, not really necessary. But I've been using Volume & love it --- want to keep my libido up. I saw a few guys that said libido really dropped by the end of their 6 or 8 weeks.
 
kissdadookie said:
I really haven't seen any feedback of actual gains from ostarine. Mainly the feedback has been more in the neighborhood of retention. If someone is making crazy gains off it, that makes me suspect if 1) they know what they are talking about or 2) their chit is spiked with the good stuff.
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I gained 3 LBM and lost 1% BF while running 25 mg for 8 weeks. These numbers are not crazy, but I was happy with the run. I was using liquid RC ostarine and not the capped version most here use. My numbers are certainly legit as it was calculated on a BodPod. Now, I 100% agree with you that osta is much better suited in cutting as it shines in muscle retention.
 
blacklac said:
16.6x the studied dose? Seems legit. =D You got balls man. Sometimes, the devil is in the dose. We may be doing terrible things to our bodies at ~20mg. No one really knows. We could all be littered with cancer, now. Lol. Eh, not like we have any idea what half these PH's are doing, anyways...
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Hey it's all about the gainz man, even if that extra 5 pounds of mass is a cancerous tumor hanging off your leg.

Hahaha I'm so getting hated for that
 
I really need to do some progress pics --- 2 weeks into this run & the mirror is showing some definite leaning --- Abs are coming back. I lost them in Nov & Dec after adding about 12 lbs.

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ELROCK said:
I gained 3 LBM and lost 1% BF while running 25 mg for 8 weeks. These numbers are not crazy, but I was happy with the run. I was using liquid RC ostarine and not the capped version most here use. My numbers are certainly legit as it was calculated on a BodPod. Now, I 100% agree with you that osta is much better suited in cutting as it shines in muscle retention.
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Hmmm... maybe I should have done the other 4 weeks... but I must say, the 1-dhea + 4-dhea 6 week cycle I took when I decided to not bother with ostarine for another 4 weeks, that was a good idea.

Up ~4-5 lbs but loss a fair bit of fat, so we're talking about 6-7 lbs of lbm gains + good fat loss off that 6 week cycle. No crazy side effects. Felt pretty healthy throughout. I think the 1-dhea + 4-dhea combo has a far better risk:reward ratio than the ostarine IMHO.
 
kissdadookie said:
Hmmm... maybe I should have done the other 4 weeks... but I must say, the 1-dhea + 4-dhea 6 week cycle I took when I decided to not bother with ostarine for another 4 weeks, that was a good idea.

Up ~4-5 lbs but loss a fair bit of fat, so we're talking about 6-7 lbs of lbm gains + good fat loss off that 6 week cycle. No crazy side effects. Felt pretty healthy throughout. I think the 1-dhea + 4-dhea combo has a far better risk:reward ratio than the ostarine IMHO.
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How much does it cost to buy enough of that for a 6 week run?
 
kissdadookie said:
Hmmm... maybe I should have done the other 4 weeks... but I must say, the 1-dhea + 4-dhea 6 week cycle I took when I decided to not bother with ostarine for another 4 weeks, that was a good idea.

Up ~4-5 lbs but loss a fair bit of fat, so we're talking about 6-7 lbs of lbm gains + good fat loss off that 6 week cycle. No crazy side effects. Felt pretty healthy throughout. I think the 1-dhea + 4-dhea combo has a far better risk:reward ratio than the ostarine IMHO.
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I'm curious as to your reasoning as why the 1-dhea and 4-dhea has a better risk reward profile? I have an open mind
 
alland said:
I'm curious as to your reasoning as why the 1-dhea and 4-dhea has a better risk reward profile? I have an open mind
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Ostarine is going to suppress, 1-dhea + 4-dhea in moderate doses are going to suppress. Health markers does not appear to be too badly impacted with either choices. Ostarine is still not all that well understood and is very much a research drug ATM whilst 1-dhea and 4-dhea has been around for a good long while now with good anecdotal feedback on both efficacy as well as safety.

There's also a good study on 1-dhea now which very obviously used the Finaflex product, so that was done with 330 mg of 1-dhea for 4 weeks. They even did health marker readings afterwards showing people had some negatively impacted health marker readings but were more or less still within or very near normal ranges.

From personal use, the 1-dhea + 4-dhea did a whole lot more for me than the ostarine did, so from what we know thus far from either routes, I would say that the 1-dhea + 4-dhea route is better apart from being a whole lot more expensive.

Here is the 1-andro study from last March (2014):

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Thing to keep in mind is that some of those elevations and declines could be counter acted as they honestly are not too terrible, and will go back to normal when the cycle ends. I think we have few if any health marker readings from ostarine usage at the doses and lengths being used.
 
kissdadookie said:
Ostarine is going to suppress, 1-dhea + 4-dhea in moderate doses are going to suppress. Health markers does not appear to be too badly impacted with either choices. Ostarine is still not all that well understood and is very much a research drug ATM whilst 1-dhea and 4-dhea has been around for a good long while now with good anecdotal feedback on both efficacy as well as safety.

There's also a good study on 1-dhea now which very obviously used the Finaflex product, so that was done with 330 mg of 1-dhea for 4 weeks. They even did health marker readings afterwards showing people had some negatively impacted health marker readings but were more or less still within or very near normal ranges.

From personal use, the 1-dhea + 4-dhea did a whole lot more for me than the ostarine did, so from what we know thus far from either routes, I would say that the 1-dhea + 4-dhea route is better apart from being a whole lot more expensive.

Here is the 1-andro study from last March (2014):

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Thing to keep in mind is that some of those elevations and declines could be counter acted as they honestly are not too terrible, and will go back to normal when the cycle ends. I think we have few if any health marker readings from ostarine usage at the doses and lengths being used.
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The creatinine still worries me a bit..as mine runs at 1.2-1.5 which is clinically high..but it has been like this for years...I am due for bloods this week..testosterone will not be tested but liver values, creatinine, bun, cholesterol, fasting blood sugar etc will be checked on friday. I plan on starting lgd saturday so at least I can see what happens from that point.
 
alland said:
The creatinine still worries me a bit..as mine runs at 1.2-1.5 which is clinically high..but it has been like this for years...I am due for bloods this week..testosterone will not be tested but liver values, creatinine, bun, cholesterol, fasting blood sugar etc will be checked on friday. I plan on starting lgd saturday so at least I can see what happens from that point.
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Brave man, lgd is way more exotic than the ostarine. LoL.
 
I would do 7mg for 8 weeks but with the shut down you may as well do var or something.
Proven safe with no long term effects.

I haven't read anyone getting crazy lgd gains yet to justify it myself.
 
kissdadookie said:
If using IronMagLabs, 4 bottles of 1-andro rx and 3 bottles of 4-andro rx (you'll have some 4-andro rx left over). 6 caps of 1-andro rx 2/2/2 and 4 caps of 4-andro rx 2/2.
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I was just doing the math on this and looks like only two bottles of the 4-andro required for that dosing? Is it only two weeks at 4 caps twice a day? Or maybe it was run three weeks as well?

I'm not asking to be a d**k but just coz I was looking at ordering some and don't want to over-order or misunderstand the cycle.

What PCT are you running for that?
 
AustBenny said:
I was just doing the math on this and looks like only two bottles of the 4-andro required for that dosing? Is it only two weeks at 4 caps twice a day? Or maybe it was run three weeks as well?

I'm not asking to be a d**k but just coz I was looking at ordering some and don't want to over-order or misunderstand the cycle.

What PCT are you running for that?
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3 bottles of 4-andro RX because you are double dosing to get 4 caps a day. 2 bottles will only last 30 days, the 3rd bottle covers you for the additional 10 days to make this a 6-week/40 day run.

You will have some left over.

The 1-andro RX, think of it as 1 bottle = 10 days.

Almost forgot. Been a week on PCT. Nolva 20/20, Clomid 40/40/40/40 then I'm going to 20 EOD for 2-4 weeks.
 
For an 8 week AMS 1, 4 cycle, should I add the 20/20 Nolva in weeks 1 and 2 as well,or is that just from experience, for you? How do you know how long to continue the 20 Clomid EOD for possibly 2 more weeks (4 instead of 2)?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
For an 8 week AMS 1, 4 cycle, should I add the 20/20 Nolva in weeks 1 and 2 as well,or is that just from experience, for you? How do you know how long to continue the 20 Clomid EOD for possibly 2 more weeks (4 instead of 2)?
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Nope, I just have it around and using it as a precaution, you don't really need it though.

IMO, after longer cycles (I've been on ostarine for 4 and then another 6 weeks on the dheas), ~6 week PCT is a safe bet, 8 to be safe. Otherwise, a 6 week cycle, 4 should be ok, 6 to be safe.

This is all without bloodwork, if you had bloodwork you wouldn't have to guess and take so many "just in case" dosages and lengths for PCT.
 
kissdadookie said:
Damn. Haven't had that problem from clomid personally. Libido gone or down from when you were on ostarine?
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I would say down, a lot! Lol when on ostarine it was high! Now it's blah! also noticed while on ostarine morning wood would be so hard it would wake me up In the middle of the night, now not so much.
 
Fit1962 said:
I would say down, a lot! Lol when on ostarine it was high! Now it's blah! also noticed while on ostarine morning wood would be so hard it would wake me up In the middle of the night, now not so much.
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I was asking more in terms of compared to how you were BEFORE ostarine ;) Obviously being off ostarine, some things would take a turn back down to baseline.
 
kissdadookie said:
I was asking more in terms of compared to how you were BEFORE ostarine ;) Obviously being off ostarine, some things would take a turn back down to baseline.
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Compared to before ostarine I woild say down some but maybe not as much as during. But morning wood is down from before, literally! Lol
 
Fit1962 said:
Compared to before ostarine I woild say down some but maybe not as much as during. But morning wood is down from before, literally! Lol
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Yeah, always compare things to where you were before you started a cycle (as that's what you're trying to do in PCT, get back to normal baselines).

Benefits you have when taking an androgen, obviously those benefits goes away when you stop taking the androgen.
 
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