Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the other ingredients to make it more bioavailable? Also great progress you may have dropped 1.5 lbs but you are defiantly bigger. Do you think you will be using ep1c or Follidrone to compare?
Edited: Never mind that is just the black pepper extract.
I'm using it right now with Alphadex as well.
Haven't touched on weight gain but my strength and endurance are definitely increasing EVERY workout.
I ate on a decent surplus (400-700 most days, and 1000+ on some random days like my birthday) and I barely gained fat. So body composition definitely has positive effects if you do a more leaner bulk and control your diet better (which i admit, I had trouble with).
There is epicatechin in it, but I don't think there are any star ingredients in it. It's a mix of effective ingredients that makes it a good supplement. I noticed strength/endurance gains, as well as hunger and libido increases too. I've logged it here.
I linked your log above... You had very similar results to what I've experienced the only difference being the calories really. Body comp was directly related to each of our calorie levels (mine being lower and yours being higher)
I ate on a decent surplus (400-700 most days, and 1000+ on some random days like my birthday) and I barely gained fat. So body composition definitely has positive effects if you do a more leaner bulk and control your diet better (which i admit, I had trouble with).
There is epicatechin in it, but I don't think there are any star ingredients in it. It's a mix of effective ingredients that makes it a good supplement. I noticed strength/endurance gains, as well as hunger and libido increases too. I've logged it here.
So would it be better to get Ep1c over this since the dose is higher and I can run it longer?
What are your goals with this? It seems to me -(-)epi is better suited for strength and endurance vs body composition. That seems to be very hit or miss and more likely is due to diets then the epi itself. If you're looking for something that will recomp or build mass I think magnitropin would be better then -(-)epi alone. Either that or stack a smaller dose of an epi product with the magnitropin to get the best of both worlds!
I'm cutting so body comp, I tried Follidrone but I'm willing to try another product; I read on this that someone got different results on there second bottle of an -(-)epi product.
What about body comp, any difference?
Alright guys thanks, I'm probably going to shoot for mag
I wanted to go back to PES here since it's been a while.
I wanted to go back to ABE, ERASE PRO, ALPHAMINE stack but I've been eyeing this new supplement company MYOKEM. I notice they have the same supplements in their lineup that I'm looking to use. And I've been reading stellar reviews.
I mean it says a lot when SUPPLEMENTREVIEWS.COM says Myokem ranks overall higher % than PES. That's incredible.
Just asking..
No it doesn't Supplementreviews.com is a joke.
Im on Mag and Alphadex atm, loving both. so far really crazy endurance been going ham on the volume lately, and noticed not holding onto far less water since when i started, weight dropping pretty fast to. seeing nice strength improvements also
I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
I think the cistanche would be giving the nice full look, loved cistamax. if only it didn't get discontinued. really miss it glad it's in mag just may not be as high of a dose.
Cistamax already got canned? Wtf?!...seriously?
Never ran it but I can tell you running for 8 weeks will be better then 4 weeks.
I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
Too expensive to source. It was a one time run.
it's not hormonal so I'd go at least 8 weeks. I might try to run it with an AI and Norcodrene next time to see what it does on a cut. Only other real supp I was running with it was Amento. I use Dermacrine almost year around so I know what the impact Mag had on me.I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
it's not hormonal so I'd go at least 8 weeks. I might try to run it with an AI and Norcodrene next time to see what it does on a cut. Only other real supp I was running with it was Amento. I use Dermacrine almost year around so I know what the impact Mag had on me.
Does Dermacrine not shut you down?
I plan on running Magnitropin after my ostarine cycle is over.