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big loss muscle and definition after DMZ/Tren cycle

gianlol said:
eehm.. both! Sure I never handled a vial, so I don't know where to start..and yes I'm afraid of needles :pat:
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Go to a doctor and get a B12 injection in the ass.It sounds stupid,but you will know where to inject then in the glute area,there are also TONS of youtube videos.Keep the vials in a cool dry environment (I keep mine in my safe). Draw the gear with a big needle,then replace the needle with the needle you chose to inject with.Be sure to clean thw surface of the injection spot with an alcohol swab then carefully tap the syringe while shooting out a tiny tiny bit of oil then carefully insert the needle,aspirate(pull back the needle to make sure you haven't stuck a vein) then inject,take out and wipe with alcohol swab,keep pressure off of area for an hour DONE!
 
Be sure to not let the needle touch anything!!..infection is no joke trust me
 
gianlol said:
btw I found tbol at very good price from a uk seller, only 60EUR (50cps x 50mg)
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What are theu dosed at..if you plan on using 50mg e/d for four weeks you would need 150 Tabs (assuming that 1 tab = 10mg)
 
So wait I thought the problem was you got smaller and weaker DURING your cycle? Is that the case or did you have a good cycle and lose it all during PCT
 
gianlol said:
If I understood well, it's 1 tab = 50mg, total 50 tabs.

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It is available in 50mg BUT most iw solf in 10mg..what brand is it?
 
If it is dosed at 50mg then buy 50 tabs.you can use week 1-4: 50mg ed then use the last 20 tabs at the end of the cycle again..
 
jakz said:
If it is dosed at 50mg then buy 50 tabs.you can use week 1-4: 50mg ed then use the last 20 tabs at the end of the cycle again..
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Maybe something like...
Week 1-4: Tbol 50mg e/d
Week 1-10:500mg test E
Week 10-12:50mg Tbol e/d
Pct follows 8 hours after last Tbol cap
PCT:Nolva 20,20,20,20
Clomid 50,50,25,25
 
jakz said:
If it is dosed at 50mg then buy 50 tabs.you can use week 1-4: 50mg ed then use the last 20 tabs at the end of the cycle again..
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thank you! :)

now I have only to be patient till March If I am correct: 18 december I finished PCT, so 8weeks cycle + 4weeks pct OFF, total: 3 months --> 18 march damn :(
 
gianlol said:
thank you! :)

now I have only to be patient till March If I am correct: 18 december I finished PCT, so 8weeks cycle + 4weeks pct OFF, total: 3 months --> 18 march damn :(
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No problem,will you be doing a log?
 
is there other compounds in pills that I can use instead of Test?

Can a pro-hormone test base do the job?
 
gianlol said:
is there other compounds in pills that I can use instead of Test?

Can a pro-hormone test base do the job?
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Hello again haha.Well there is an oral form of Test named Andriol..but it's very weak and by that I mean that you need to take alot more to have the same effect of test c/e/p.It works out very expensive
 
jakz said:
Hello again haha.Well there is an oral form of Test named Andriol..but it's very weak and by that I mean that you need to take alot more to have the same effect of test c/e/p.It works out very expensive
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uhm ...and what you think about dermal supps like Dermacrine as test base, can't do the job?
 
gianlol said:
uhm ...and what you think about dermal supps like Dermacrine as test base, can't do the job?
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I have no knowledge of Ph's :-|
 
gianlol said:
uhm ...and what you think about dermal supps like Dermacrine as test base, can't do the job?
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What is the cycle? Derma is a great base for milder compounds but will help regardless. As for oral "test bases" you can look into trest or stano, trest is the strongest but stano dosed high is good and very dry
 
Driven2lift said:
What is the cycle? Derma is a great base for milder compounds but will help regardless. As for oral "test bases" you can look into trest or stano, trest is the strongest but stano dosed high is good and very dry
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the initial idea was an aas cycle TURINABOL + TEST E

I would replace the vial compound (TEST e) with an oral or dermal compound. So I thought at dermacrine or similar PH supps.

Can be TURINABOL + PH test base a good cycle?
 
I would think so,but what made you decide against Test E
 
gianlol said:
Only because is vial. I cant risk have them at my home because im not alone :-|
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I have a little electronic safe that is 30cm by 40cm in which I keep all gear,pct,gear money and needles
 
jakz said:
I have a little electronic safe that is 30cm by 40cm in which I keep all gear,pct,gear money and needles
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They are cheap,make an excellent storing place and keep out all unwanted people
 
I know of people who had run
Week 1-5: 60mg Tbol e/d
Week 6-8: 80mg Tbol e/d
Week (starts day after last Tbol pill)9-11: Nolva (20,20,20)

And they gained about 10lbs and kept 8lbs..decent
 
jakz said:
I know of people who had run
Week 1-5: 60mg Tbol e/d
Week 6-8: 80mg Tbol e/d
Week (starts day after last Tbol pill)9-11: Nolva (20,20,20)

And they gained about 10lbs and kept 8lbs..decent
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yeah not bad at all. Are those gains clean?

I can try with that, but I think I will need a test base on cycle against lethargy and libido loss, and again, I want to avoid shutdown.



p.s. why you waiting for start your cycle?
 
gianlol said:
yeah not bad at all. Are those gains clean?

I can try with that, but I think I will need a test base on cycle against lethargy and libido loss, and again, I want to avoid shutdown.

p.s. why you waiting for start your cycle?
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I am just waiting for my friend/supplier to deliver my PCT I believe that before you start a cycle you need to have EVERYTHING in place,well they were cleab,but he trained and ate like a machine (as you should before,during and after cycle)
 
Btw, If I decide to use Test E, are there differences beetween spots where make the injection?

I mean, if I use glute or pec, the results will be the same?
 
gianlol said:
Btw, If I decide to use Test E, are there differences beetween spots where make the injection?

I mean, if I use glute or pec, the results will be the same?
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Nope,but don't injection in the calves
 
If I were you I'd buy a little safe and run test :-D
 
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