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Critique my future Natty Stack

jgntyce

jgntyce

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1. Anabeta elite
2. x-gels or ep1c
3. follidrone
4. nano Genin
5. dermastr3ngth
6. HPTA or Magnitropin
7. soy lecithin granules
8. lean 650
9. conq3r
10. vital1ty

would you add/delete or modify any of the above?
 
jgntyce said:
all at once. will run it for 8 to 10 weeks. it's a combo of bulking and recomp.
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Your not going to bulk and recomp. Split this up into a bulk and then a cut it recomp.

Throwing all the money and supplements in the world wont make much if a difference, at all. These aren't anabolics and aren't even close.
 
Xgels, Anabeta Elite, Soy Lethicin, Conqu3r and Vital1ty for a bulk.
 
Im not a fan of huge supp stacks.... xgels and abe will be more than sufficient, maybe even some natadrol :-)
 
jgntyce said:
thanks. how about for a recomp?
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I know it is not apart of your original list, but I would consider Alphamax for a recomp.

Alphamax contains a full 50mg of 95% Forskolin, a dose shown in clinical studies proven in humans to increase Lean Body Mass while decreasing Fat Mass. It contains a full 1.4 grams of Divanill, leading to lowered SHBG and increased Free Testosterone.

Contains 300mg 98% L-DOPA which will increase Total testosterone having synergistic effects with Divanill. And to round it out it contains a full 75mg Arimistane, this will keep estrogen under control while also controlling cortisol, leading to an increase anabolic environment.

The L-Dopa and ZMA will also lead to better sleep which can lead to better recovery. The Forskolin is worth the price of Alphamax alone if you look at just that one ingredient. The great thing about Alphamax is that it is an open label, no prop blends. You know what you're getting and at what dose.
 
This is what I would run if i were you:

1. X Gels
2. Anabeta Elite
3. PA (soy lecithin Granules)
4. HPTA (No needed if your libido and test levels are good)
 
AntM1564 said:
I know it is not apart of your original list, but I would consider Alphamax for a recomp.

Alphamax contains a full 50mg of 95% Forskolin, a dose shown in clinical studies proven in humans to increase Lean Body Mass while decreasing Fat Mass. It contains a full 1.4 grams of Divanill, leading to lowered SHBG and increased Free Testosterone.

Contains 300mg 98% L-DOPA which will increase Total testosterone having synergistic effects with Divanill. And to round it out it contains a full 75mg Arimistane, this will keep estrogen under control while also controlling cortisol, leading to an increase anabolic environment.

The L-Dopa and ZMA will also lead to better sleep which can lead to better recovery. The Forskolin is worth the price of Alphamax alone if you look at just that one ingredient. The great thing about Alphamax is that it is an open label, no prop blends. You know what you're getting and at what dose.
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Alphamax seems damn good but my stomach hate forskolin
 
and I actually thought about ostarine as well, but I heard that it can "shut me down"
 
jgntyce said:
and I actually thought about ostarine as well, but I heard that it can "shut me down"
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Sure it will shut you down, but you could probably get away with an OTC PCT. It would be excellent for a cut/recomp after your bulk. Its perfect for sparing muscle during a cut. I wouldn't use it any other way.

Highly recommend OL's Ostar1ne. Ive seen some weird reports from other products that I didn't see at all with OL's. I have nothing to base my assumption on, but I feel there is product being sold as Ostarine that contains other things. Not at all saying OL's is all you should trust, however...
 
blacklac said:
Sure it will shut you down, but you could probably get away with an OTC PCT. It would be excellent for a cut/recomp after your bulk. Its perfect for sparing muscle during a cut. I wouldn't use it any other way.
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gotcha. thanks! so what else would you suggest I use for a natty cutting/recomp in addition to ostarine?
 
jgntyce said:
gotcha. thanks! so what else would you suggest I use for a natty cutting/recomp in addition to ostarine?
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With Ostarine, I'd keep it simple. Add something like Norcodrene or Alpha T2 or Alphamine and call it good. No need for more if your diet is good.
 
Just to echo what a few others have said - you could certainly cut the list down a bit or split/stagger it for more efficiency and bang for your buck.

The ABE + X-gels alone is an incredible natty stack especially if you're in a big calorie surplus. I'm only 3 weeks in to my ABE + X-gels run (400-500 cal surplus) and loving every minute of it. Add in the soy lecithin for PA and you're looking at undeniably the best natty stack currently available. Maybe run just these 3 for the first 5-6 weeks, then add in the rest of the list for the remainder of the run? Talk about a SICK extended bulk!
 
snu22 said:
Just to echo what a few others have said - you could certainly cut the list down a bit or split/stagger it for more efficiency and bang for your buck. The ABE + X-gels alone is an incredible natty stack especially if you're in a big calorie surplus. I'm only 3 weeks in to my ABE + X-gels run (400-500 cal surplus) and loving every minute of it. Add in the soy lecithin for PA and you're looking at undeniably the best natty stack currently available. Maybe run just these 3 for the first 5-6 weeks, then add in the rest of the list for the remainder of the run? Talk about a SICK extended bulk!
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gotcha. so follidrone and nano Genin will be more for a recomp?
 
jgntyce said:
gotcha. so follidrone and nano Genin will be more for a recomp?
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Not that they wouldn't be great for the bulk portion of your run, because they most certainly would be. Just thinking of a way to maximize the effectiveness of your run by splitting some of them up.

The ABE, ArA, and soy lecithin can take a week or two before they really start kicking in, so starting off with those 3 while you're in your largest calorie surplus would definitely be ideal. Also, this means all 3 will be in full effect by week 4-5 or whenever you start adding in the remainder of your supps. By week 6 you'd be the mayor of Gainzville.
 
snu22 said:
Not that they wouldn't be great for the bulk portion of your run, because they most certainly would be. Just thinking of a way to maximize the effectiveness of your run by splitting some of them up. The ABE, ArA, and soy lecithin can take a week or two before they really start kicking in, so starting off with those 3 while you're in your largest calorie surplus would definitely be ideal. Also, this means all 3 will be in full effect by week 4-5 or whenever you start adding in the remainder of your supps. By week 6 you'd be the mayor of Gainzville.
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LMAO, thanks brother for the help!
 
AntM1564 said:
Which extract have you tried? Some products use 40% which can give more GI distress. Alphamax and other quality products use 95% Also, dosing with food helps some people.
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so alphamax for recomp?
 
blacklac said:
Xgels, Anabeta Elite, Soy Lethicin, Conqu3r and Vital1ty for a bulk.
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Danes said:
This is what I would run if i were you:

1. X Gels
2. Anabeta Elite
3. PA (soy lecithin Granules)
4. HPTA (No needed if your libido and test levels are good)
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These are both great suggestions as there really isn't a need to run everything at once that you are proposing.

AnaBeta Elite has been a key part of countless successful recomps and bulks on this board alone. In addition to the 95% forskolin, you get Lodhra (Bark) extract, Anacyclus Pyrethrum D.C. (Root) extract (AnaCycle), and Eleutherococcus Seniticosus (Root) extract. Below are a few write-ups on these ingredients:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240260-lodhra-bark-extract.html

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blacklac said:
Xgels, Anabeta Elite, Soy Lethicin, Conqu3r and Vital1ty for a bulk.
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This right here is a perfect bulk stack.

As for recomp, you mentioned Osta which is perfect for this situation but would likely need an OTC PCT. Anecdotally, derma5trength has been great during recomp with consistent strength improvements along with some weight loss and paired with EP1C would make a killer stack.
 
frankz2 said:
This right here is a perfect bulk stack. As for recomp, you mentioned Osta which is perfect for this situation but would likely need an OTC PCT. Anecdotally, derma5trength has been great during recomp with consistent strength improvements along with some weight loss and paired with EP1C would make a killer stack.
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A demigod has spoken! thanks brother!
 
frankz2 said:
Meant to include Alphamax during recomp as well. Will be posting after photos in my log here tomorrow and I am thrilled with my experience.
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so I am currently on an epi/TREN/Stano cycle. would my natty stack (either a bulk or recomp) dictate what my current PH cycle is?
 
frankz2 said:
This right here is a perfect bulk stack. As for recomp, you mentioned Osta which is perfect for this situation but would likely need an OTC PCT. Anecdotally, derma5trength has been great during recomp with consistent strength improvements along with some weight loss and paired with EP1C would make a killer stack.
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Recomp: osta, ar1maracre pro, alphamax, follidrone or ep1c, nano Genin or derma5trength (laxogenin), sns x-gels (ARA), Anabeta elite, natadrol? damn that's a lot. lol.
 
With the Conqu3r and Vital1ty they don't have to be looked at as part of the stack. They are simply staple supplements. Good to run with pretty much anything except PWO's are not recommended on a ph cycle. That being said, the Conqu3r does compliment X-Gels nicely with the ALCAR and GMS.

I also agree with X-Gels, Soy Lec, ABE, Conqu3r, and Vital1ty combo.
 
Dma378 said:
With the Conqu3r and Vital1ty they don't have to be looked at as part of the stack. They are simply staple supplements. Good to run with pretty much anything except PWO's are not recommended on a ph cycle. That being said, the Conqu3r does compliment X-Gels nicely with the ALCAR and GMS. I also agree with X-Gels, Soy Lec, ABE, Conqu3r, and Vital1ty combo.
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thinking of adding in lecheek mass, usplabs compound 20, and recompadrol as well, which was suggested to jmeyers. what do you think of adding these as well?
 
jgntyce said:
thinking of adding in lecheek mass, usplabs compound 20, and recompadrol as well, which was suggested to jmeyers. what do you think of adding these as well?
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On top of the already mentioned products?
 
hvactech said:
On top of the already mentioned products?
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I was thinking of what jmeyers had for his pct. he had a SERM, DAA, AI, ARA, laxogenin, and then the products I just mentioned. yes, it was for pct, but I was also wondering if I can use those and then go to ABE and the others after for my natty stack.
 
jgntyce said:
I was thinking of what jmeyers had for his pct. he had a SERM, DAA, AI, ARA, laxogenin, and then the products I just mentioned. yes, it was for pct, but I was also wondering if I can use those and then go to ABE and the others after for my natty stack.
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What of these products have you used? As well as they may work together, you will never know what you respond to and what to invest in later with this kitchen sink approach.
 
frankz2 said:
What of these products have you used? As well as they may work together, you will never know what you respond to and what to invest in later with this kitchen sink approach.
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kitchen sink...I can't disagree with you there..lol
 
frankz2 said:
What of these products have you used? As well as they may work together, you will never know what you respond to and what to invest in later with this kitchen sink approach.
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It is a bit much
 
XGELS + ABE + LCLT
AmentoMax +MyoSynergy

and a pre workout of choice, id go with Katana or High volume and Alphamine. perfect stack for any goal really, more towards bulking though. don't throw everything in at once like others have said there not going to provide AAS results so use what's tried and true by others and recommended with good feedback to help gauge what your getting from using them.
 
what times of day do I take Anabeta elite and x gels? simultaneously, or a certain period of time apart?
 
jgntyce said:
what times of day do I take Anabeta elite and x gels? simultaneously, or a certain period of time apart?
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Take AnaBeta Elite prior to your two largest carb meals.
Dose X-Gels pre-workout.
 
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