EpiTren + 4-Andro

TxAggie

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I was thinking about getting 4-5 bottles of epitren and 4-ando from IML before the ban on Epi. By doing the 4-Andro does that cut the need for a base while on cycle?

Looking to keep this a simple as possible and not have to remember how many pumps/pills to take and when for 8 weeks. :-)

On-Cycle 6-8 weeks:
EpiTren (3-4 per day)
4-Andro (Bottle recommended dosage)
AL Blockade (Bottle recommended dosage) - looks like it has all the core things lots of people buy as seperates.

PCT 4 weeks:
Nolvadex (RC)
Erase Pro for AI
DAA

1st PH Cycle if I do it. I am 33 and have lifted for 10 years now. I am 5'5'' 167lbs about 15% bf. Looking to lean up and make some size/strength gains.
 
Come on IML reps give me some advice here. I ordered 5 bottles of epitren and 4andro this morning.

I still need to order all the on/off cycle support but I will not start the cycle until 1st quarter of next year.
 
TxAggie said:
Come on IML reps give me some advice here. I ordered 5 bottles of epitren and 4andro this morning.

I still need to order all the on/off cycle support but I will not start the cycle until 1st quarter of next year.
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Give them more than 20 minutes to respond
 
The 4-ad will act as your "base".... I would have dosed extra tren with it
 
No worries and thanks for the reply's everyone.

Wicked PCT is looking good but appears to be sold out in lots of places. Wicked+Nolva for PCT might be the direction I go even though they say no SERM is necessary with wicked.
 
TxAggie said:
I was thinking about getting 4-5 bottles of epitren and 4-ando from IML before the ban on Epi. By doing the 4-Andro does that cut the need for a base while on cycle?

Looking to keep this a simple as possible and not have to remember how many pumps/pills to take and when for 8 weeks. :-)

On-Cycle 6-8 weeks:
EpiTren (3-4 per day)
4-Andro (Bottle recommended dosage)
AL Blockade (Bottle recommended dosage) - looks like it has all the core things lots of people buy as seperates.

PCT 4 weeks:
Nolvadex (RC)
Erase Pro for AI
DAA

1st PH Cycle if I do it. I am 33 and have lifted for 10 years now. I am 5'5'' 167lbs about 15% bf. Looking to lean up and make some size/strength gains.
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4 bottles of 4-andro RX will be needed. 2/2 a day.

Should have added more tren as well to bring it up to 90 a day.
 
I can up the 4andro to 300mg daily since I got 5 bottles. I am sticking to epi at 30/30/30/40/40/40 or something along those line. Everywhere I am reading folks are running 30-50mg daily? It is my first cycle as well.
 
It'll all base on your sensitivity to the Chems.
I have to run EPI at 50-60 before it kicks for me. But I agree, at least 75mg tren daily for true anabolic effect IMO. If pick up a bottle or two before Monday if you can find any. It'll really make a difference in your cycle/
Grab some inhibit p too if you're running tren.
 
So basically the IML EpiTren is 10mg epi/10mg tren per capsule. They recommend doses at 3-4 pills daily. Basically I am looking at 2 or 3 options here all including the 300mg 4-Ando. Keep in mind I am 5'5'' about 170lbs so no huge by any means.

1. Run an entry level 6 week cycle at say 30/40/40/40/40/40 to assess tolerance & tune diet. Then run a 2nd longer cycle at 40/50/50/50/50/50 further in the year.
2. Go balls out for 8 weeks at 30/40/40/40/40/40/40/40. That is 217 pills total or 2.5 of my 5 bottles.
3. Go 7 weeks at 40/50/50/50/50/50/50/50 (until end of 3rd bottle is 6 days). That will be 270 pills leaving 2 for a later cycle.

I will add a bottle or 2 of Inhibit P to my order when I get the OCT + PCT supps. This is definitely not a cheap hobby to take up between the supps and the diet to eat super clean while on them. Good with the $$ but how do these kids afford this?
 
skinnybones said:
Sorry to jump in guys, what's the average daily dosage for 4-Andro? 2 caps twice a day?

Please :)
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Recommended dose is 2 caps a day but last time I ran it I did 4. Worked good for sdmz2 base
 
Haha wow it's not going to get seized. The gov and the dea aren't coming for your pills and they won't go raiding warehouses while they try to get rid of stock. They have better things to do like watch jimmy Fallon, eat tacos, discuss our new founded friendship in Cuba, ect. DESHA isn't exactly a top priority.
We shall get our pills, and we shall get our gainz!
Ps: I'm waiting on my 3 bottles as well so I feel Ya brother
 
mgkoret said:
Haha wow it's not going to get seized. The gov and the dea aren't coming for your pills and they won't go raiding warehouses while they try to get rid of stock. They have better things to do like watch jimmy Fallon, eat tacos, discuss our new founded friendship in Cuba, ect. DESHA isn't exactly a top priority.
We shall get our pills, and we shall get our gainz!
Ps: I'm waiting on my 3 bottles as well so I feel Ya brother
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True, but i won't respond to anyone saying "come pick up this package" either lol
 
made2last said:
True, but i won't respond to anyone saying "come pick up this package" either lol
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Are you sure? Just step outside and sign real quick
 
osubucks said:
Did you not get your shipping info yet

I order 2 bottles on thrusday or Friday morning and it's supposed to get here tuesday
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Mail is real slow, waiting on a bunch of orders. Remember, it's Christmas people! Everyone has 10 packages in the mail
 
I finally got through on the phone, apparently something went wrong with my order, I'm SOL on getting some Epitren, will prob go with some Halo and Super DMZ or Msten.
 
I see EpiAndro, not Epitren, its cool, I'm not that upset about it, after doing some research it looks like Epitren needs some prolactin control, this stuff needs plenty of ancillaries already so not needing prolactin control is a bit of a blessing :]
 
made2last said:
I see EpiAndro, not Epitren, its cool, I'm not that upset about it, after doing some research it looks like Epitren needs some prolactin control, this stuff needs plenty of ancillaries already so not needing prolactin control is a bit of a blessing :]
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My bad man, to my knowledge they still had it in stock.
 
One thing I am probably over thinking is the PCT supps to go with the SERM. Lots of places I am reading state not to run an AI like erase while in PCT and to only use the SERM 4 weeks and DAA. Moat of the PCT supps have an AI in them so do I need to run anything besides the Nolva and DAA? I have the Nolva and will dose 40/40/20/20.

I got my shipment from IML and got some free samples as well. I think I have 90% of what I need now and have 1 last order needed to get DAA for PCT and AL Blockade & inhibit-p for on cycle support.
 
TxAggie said:
One thing I am probably over thinking is the PCT supps to go with the SERM. Lots of places I am reading state not to run an AI like erase while in PCT and to only use the SERM 4 weeks and DAA. Moat of the PCT supps have an AI in them so do I need to run anything besides the Nolva and DAA? I have the Nolva and will dose 40/40/20/20.

I got my shipment from IML and got some free samples as well. I think I have 90% of what I need now and have 1 last order needed to get DAA for PCT and AL Blockade & inhibit-p for on cycle support.
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SERM's are very effective. Nothing else is needed brother.
 
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