Ostarine Questions

[sanmarino]

I have several liquids for my pct, and different pills. Itd make flying a real pain trying to take vials and syringes n all this stuff.

Thanks for the advice tho, ill talk to my doc to see if i can get bloods. The sides on this run have been surprisingly low.

You are welcome. At least I would use a substance, that gives you a anticatabolic effect (for example GW501516 or low dose Osta) for justify the usage of DMZ/Trest.

If you know your values, there were two options:
- values are okay: then you could use Osta directly afterwards
- values are suboptimal: take GW or as mentioned Osta at 10mg with a miniPCT (no SERM). Afterwards you can increade the dosage of Osta.
But listen, it depends on the values. If they are catastrophal (I don't hope so), then you should do a full PCT and forget another cycle until your values are back to normal.

 

[sanmarino]

Sounds like a solid plan. If you have more or less the same contents, you can't go that wrong.
Tribulus is also awesome. I used it when I was a naive young men
And at 6 gram (!) per day, I could swear, that my libido was going through the roof haha

That were funny days

 

[booneman77]

I have several liquids for my pct, and different pills. Itd make flying a real pain trying to take vials and syringes n all this stuff. Thanks for the advice tho, ill talk to my doc to see if i can get bloods. The sides on this run have been surprisingly low.

it's def better to wait and commit during pct but you can always just put your liquids in travel size mouthwash containers or shampoo bottles and just take an oral syringe

 

[Fit1962]

My libido has gone through the roof at 15mg. I normally have a low libido so that may be the difference for me. So far on my cycle all is going well. Haven't really experienced this "fullness" that people are claiming comes from better glycogen replenishment. Maybe that'll kick in later on, only time will tell.

Yes I am at 15mg too, this is week five, and high libido and I'm 52! Woohoo!

 

[Blergs]

If you use it, use a SERM and do a PCT after IMO

 

[kissdadookie]

what brand were you using?... 24 mg?

PCT IV. It's 12 mg per cap.

 

[Grayson]

No one should use that crap from EF. Dylan and those fckers are just scam artists. These idiots are running multiple SARMS in 10-12 week cycles without SERMS. Awesome. I'd love infertility as a side-effect of playing on the not so dark side.

SARMS = none of the benefits of AAS, but all of the headache..

 

[kissdadookie]

No one should use that crap from EF. Dylan and those fckers are just scam artists. These idiots are running multiple SARMS in 10-12 week cycles without SERMS. Awesome. I'd love infertility as a side-effect of playing on the not so dark side.

SARMS = none of the benefits of AAS, but all of the headache..

1-dhea + 4-dhea >>>>>>>> ostarine. Lulz. At least my dinky is operational again.

 

[Grayson]

1-dhea + 4-dhea >>>>>>>> ostarine. Lulz. At least my dinky is operational again.

Ha! On cycle it's a great boost to psychological function. Lifting in the rack without wanting to plow that chick in grey yoga pants that keeps wandering by your area is a huge shot to morale. Never again.

 

[kissdadookie]

Ha! On cycle it's a great boost to psychological function. Lifting in the rack without wanting to plow that chick in grey yoga pants that keeps wandering by your area is a huge shot to morale. Never again.

Bro, I multitask dat chit

 

[Grayson]

Bro, I multitask dat chit

LOL! And then I get asked why it took me 2 hours to complete a 45 minute workout

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kissdadookie again. Damn recharge.

 

[Fit1962]

Well Tuesday I will begin my 6th week on ostarine at 15mg, I haven't weighed at all since I began so have no idea if ive gained. I know I haven't gained body fat. Only possible side that I "feel" is maybe some lethargy. I'm wondering if I should stop at 6 weeks or run to 8.
On side not with the new designer steroid law now passed, I keep hearing a lot about epistane? Anyone here used it?

 

[kissdadookie]

Well Tuesday I will begin my 6th week on ostarine at 15mg, I haven't weighed at all since I began so have no idea if ive gained. I know I haven't gained body fat. Only possible side that I "feel" is maybe some lethargy. I'm wondering if I should stop at 6 weeks or run to 8.
On side not with the new designer steroid law now passed, I keep hearing a lot about epistane? Anyone here used it?

Might be a little strong for a first cycle IMHO (regardless of what many other people claim). I would wait to see if 1-dhea and 4-dhea starts getting nicely discounted. Stuff works really well IMO, not a lot of sides either (compared to epistane). Not as big of a kick in the pants as epistane though but it's a very nice cycle to run.

You could stock up on some epistane though when the prices comes down even more. Save it for a future cycle.

 

[xhrr]

Well Tuesday I will begin my 6th week on ostarine at 15mg, I haven't weighed at all since I began so have no idea if ive gained. I know I haven't gained body fat. Only possible side that I "feel" is maybe some lethargy. I'm wondering if I should stop at 6 weeks or run to 8. On side not with the new designer steroid law now passed, I keep hearing a lot about epistane? Anyone here used it?

Im doing Ironflex epistane as my first methyl oral since I don't consider the OL triumph I ran prior to have done a damn thing and I really like it so far. I think it is a good compound for a first run I haven't had any sides so far but I'm only two weeks in. Kiss have you good advice as well though. I think 1 and 4 dhea or epi or halo would be a good first time run.

 

[kissdadookie]

Im doing Ironflex epistane as my first methyl oral since I don't consider the OL triumph I ran prior to have done a damn thing and I really like it so far. I think it is a good compound for a first run I haven't had any sides so far but I'm only two weeks in. Kiss have you good advice as well though. I think 1 and 4 dhea or epi or halo would be a good first time run.

How long are you running the epistane and at what dose?

 

[xhrr]

How long are you running the epistane and at what dose?

6 weeks with 8 weeks topical hexadrone.

45/45/45/60/60/60

 

[kissdadookie]

6 weeks with 8 weeks topical hexadrone.

45/45/45/60/60/60

I ran the epi-smash for 8 weeks. 30 throughout, wanted it to be done by the 8th week so I experimented with upping the dose. 40 I could tolerate, 50 I felt so sick. LoL.

7 weeks is the max I could tolerate that one though in hindsight. I wonder if the hexadrone in it made it stronger or not.

 

[Fit1962]

I ran the epi-smash for 8 weeks. 30 throughout, wanted it to be done by the 8th week so I experimented with upping the dose. 40 I could tolerate, 50 I felt so sick. LoL.

7 weeks is the max I could tolerate that one though in hindsight. I wonder if the hexadrone in it made it stronger or not.

You you have run epi? What type gains? You prefer the dhea?

 

[xhrr]

I ran the epi-smash for 8 weeks. 30 throughout, wanted it to be done by the 8th week so I experimented with upping the dose. 40 I could tolerate, 50 I felt so sick. LoL. 7 weeks is the max I could tolerate that one though in hindsight. I wonder if the hexadrone in it made it stronger or not.

Yeah it's hard to tell since I've never done either solo before. Im tolerating 45 just fine thankfully. I might even bump to 60 on Monday which would be the end of my second week and see how it goes. I feel great so far, using damage control by LGI and taurine and have exp. No sides just moderate strength gains and a slight improvement in body comp.

Do you prefer 1-4 dhea to epi smash or is it too early to tell. Im switching to epi smash when I run out ironflex epi and dermahex to finish my run.

 

[kissdadookie]

You you have run epi? What type gains? You prefer the dhea?

Yeah it's hard to tell since I've never done either solo before. Im tolerating 45 just fine thankfully. I might even bump to 60 on Monday which would be the end of my second week and see how it goes. I feel great so far, using damage control by LGI and taurine and have exp. No sides just moderate strength gains and a slight improvement in body comp.

Do you prefer 1-4 dhea to epi smash or is it too early to tell. Im switching to epi smash when I run out ironflex epi and dermahex to finish my run.

Too early to tell. The dhea doesn't give me migraines though.

Gains off the epi-smash was moderate, but the pump was all day.

Ran the epi-smash when I finished up the Clear Muscle log. Just remembered that I was using 1 cap of PCT IV with it ED and ArA. Now that I've recently finished a bottle of PCT IV @ 2 caps a day, I'm pretty sure it didn't add much to the epi-smash cycle, will not use that on cycle in the future (ostarine).

 

[kissdadookie]

After doing some quick mental calculations, on cycle I was up about 5-6 lbs, off cycle kept about ~2-3. I also wasn't eating to gain, so it was more of a recomp venture. Lost some fat as well.

Had bloodwork done and things looked good so I started the PCT IV solo cycle, aka ostarine.

 

[xhrr]

Too early to tell. The dhea doesn't give me migraines though. Gains off the epi-smash was moderate, but the pump was all day. Ran the epi-smash when I finished up the Clear Muscle log. Just remembered that I was using 1 cap of PCT IV with it ED and ArA. Now that I've recently finished a bottle of PCT IV @ 2 caps a day, I'm pretty sure it didn't add much to the epi-smash cycle, will not use that on cycle in the future (ostarine).

Im running 10mg Celtic Osta on cycle mainly for my joints than anything else since this will be such a dry cycle and epi seems to give some joint discomfort from reviews. It's working well my joints feel great right now. I know I'm a much bigger osta fan than you are haha. It works really well for me for whatever reason.

I keep getting the names mixed up im running epi-lean by platinum once im done not epi-smash. Basically the same thing except lean has more hex per serving iirc.

 

[kissdadookie]

Im running 10mg Celtic Osta on cycle mainly for my joints than anything else since this will be such a dry cycle and epi seems to give some joint discomfort from reviews. It's working well my joints feel great right now. I know I'm a much bigger osta fan than you are haha. It works really well for me for whatever reason.

I keep getting the names mixed up im running epi-lean by platinum once im done not epi-smash. Basically the same thing except lean has more hex per serving iirc.

Gotcha gotcha

Yeah, towards the end, I was super creaky. LoL.

 

[xhrr]

Gotcha gotcha Yeah, towards the end, I was super creaky. LoL.

Haha glad I decided to run the osta then. I am imagine ara, epi, hex and arimistane being hella harsh on your joints even with the osta you were taking.

 

[kissdadookie]

Haha glad I decided to run the osta then. I am imagine ara, epi, hex and arimistane being hella harsh on your joints even with the osta you were taking.

I don't think the ostarine did anything. LoL. I was running it 12 mg a day (1 cap of PCT IV). No idea if the arimistane was the cause though, because with arimistane, I've ran it up to 12 weeks, didn't get low estrogen sides with that until going in towards week 11.

Hexadrone shouldn't give estrogen issues though. The epistane is most certainly, because it's not only a dry compound, but it also acts as an AI/anti-estrogen.

I have 4 bottles of Super Tren to run in the spring Then Halo probably in the autumn next year.

After that, I think I'll just stick with the natty products, likely just plan out no rest day training cycles and run HMB-FA for those. That stuff gave me excellent results but admittedly, I had to bust a lot of arse.

 

[Grayson]

I don't think the ostarine did anything. LoL. I was running it 12 mg a day (1 cap of PCT IV). No idea if the arimistane was the cause though, because with arimistane, I've ran it up to 12 weeks, didn't get low estrogen sides with that until going in towards week 11.

Hexadrone shouldn't give estrogen issues though. The epistane is most certainly, because it's not only a dry compound, but it also acts as an AI/anti-estrogen.

I have 4 bottles of Super Tren to run in the spring Then Halo probably in the autumn next year.

After that, I think I'll just stick with the natty products, likely just plan out no rest day training cycles and run HMB-FA for those. That stuff gave me excellent results but admittedly, I had to bust a lot of arse.

Way off topic, but since you like experimenting, have you thought about running a trial with high dosed leucine (at least 6-10 pre and post and another 10-15 spread throughout the day) and then compare that to HMB-FA?

As with the tren, I've read that 90mg is good for strength, but 120mg is where it shines and 150mg feels like a like a light "real tren." But then at that doses make sure you have rx caber.

 

[kissdadookie]

Way off topic, but since you like experimenting, have you thought about running a trial with high dosed leucine (at least 6-10 pre and post and another 10-15 spread throughout the day) and then compare that to HMB-FA?

As with the tren, I've read that 90mg is good for strength, but 120mg is where it shines and 150mg feels like a like a light "real tren." But then at that doses make sure you have rx caber.

To your first point, I've done over 5 grams of leucine pre and 5 grams post for awhile in the past. Didn't do the spread throughout the day thing because I had frequent meals with good amounts of protein. Nope, not comparable, actually didn't feel anything off that tbh, HMB-FA you can feel. Feel as in no matter how hard your hit it (you can look up my log to see what I was doing, no rest days, HIIT legs days followed by full on deadlifts + legs the next day).

As for the second point, that's why I have 4 bottles of Super Tren 4 bottles equals 120 mg ED for 8 weeks. Also have 3 bottles of 4-dhea to run with it. I may have to get another 3 bottles of 4-dhea to run with the Halo or I may just get some trest.

So just a note with the HMB-FA, I don't know why people think that you take the HMB for the same reason you take leucine. HMB's effect on mTOR is secondary to it's direct inhibition of protein breakdown.

 

[xhrr]

I don't think the ostarine did anything. LoL. I was running it 12 mg a day (1 cap of PCT IV). No idea if the arimistane was the cause though, because with arimistane, I've ran it up to 12 weeks, didn't get low estrogen sides with that until going in towards week 11. Hexadrone shouldn't give estrogen issues though. The epistane is most certainly, because it's not only a dry compound, but it also acts as an AI/anti-estrogen. I have 4 bottles of Super Tren to run in the spring Then Halo probably in the autumn next year. After that, I think I'll just stick with the natty products, likely just plan out no rest day training cycles and run HMB-FA for those. That stuff gave me excellent results but admittedly, I had to bust a lot of arse.

I read hex has possible AI properties but who knows if that's just speculation. Arimistane tore up my joints and so did ara. But I had a shredded knee when I tried the ara so I plan to give it a second chance eventually.

I would love to run Tren but the reports of it being harsh on the hairline has kept me away.

Im gonna stock up on halo and DMZ I think. Maybe topical furaza as well. Probably the only time I'll support OL.

Been curious about hmb-fa maybe I'll try it out during my pct.

 

[Grayson]

I think we'll still be able to buy raws (i.e. from PG/TL) so if anyone has a nano scale, this ban isn't bad at all. You'll just have to start capping your own PHs.

 

[kissdadookie]

I read hex has possible AI properties but who knows if that's just speculation. Arimistane tore up my joints and so did ara. But I had a shredded knee when I tried the ara so I plan to give it a second chance eventually.

I would love to run Tren but the reports of it being harsh on the hairline has kept me away.

Im gonna stock up on halo and DMZ I think. Maybe topical furaza as well. Probably the only time I'll support OL.

Been curious about hmb-fa maybe I'll try it out during my pct.

I'm planning my bottles of HMB-FA that I bought recently for the super tren PCT. Going to run the 3 bottles of HMB-FA back to back. HMB-FA did not however give me a 24/7 pump like the epistane did, obviously

I think we'll still be able to buy raws (i.e. from PG/TL) so if anyone has a nano scale, this ban isn't bad at all. You'll just have to start capping your own PHs.

Brave man. LoL.

 

[xhrr]

I think we'll still be able to buy raws (i.e. from PG) so if anyone has a nano scale, this ban isn't bad at all. You'll just have to start capping your own PHs.

I will be doing this need be. Im scared of injectables admittedly haha. I can do peps cause most only require a slin pin to the belly so maybe I'll just stay on ghrp for life lol. It sucks your essentially a criminal for trying to gain muscle mass, strength, or enhance aesthetics. You would think they would have bigger fish to fry than a small portion of the population running steroids.

 

[xhrr]

I'm planning my bottles of HMB-FA that I bought recently for the super tren PCT. Going to run the 3 bottles of HMB-FA back to back. HMB-FA did not however give me a 24/7 pump like the epistane did, obviously Brave man. LoL.

So hmb-fa didn't give you the all day perpetual pump akin to a methylated steroid? Do not want then

 

[Grayson]

I will be doing this need be. Im scared of injectables admittedly haha. I can do peps cause most only require a slin pin to the belly so maybe I'll just stay on ghrp for life lol. It sucks your essentially a criminal for trying to gain muscle mass, strength, or enhance aesthetics. You would think they would have bigger fish to fry than a small portion of the population running steroids.

Are you just on GHRP or are you on Mod GRF (1-29) as well? What do you think so far?

My christmas bonus is going to 6 weeks worth of peps.

 

[kissdadookie]

So hmb-fa didn't give you the all day perpetual pump akin to a methylated steroid? Do not want then

LOL. Word.

 

[xhrr]

Are you just on GHRP or are you on Mod GRF (1-29) as well? What do you think so far? My christmas bonus is going to 6 weeks worth of peps.

Im not on either at the moment and have never done peps just saw my boy do it and it looked cake. But since this ban I have begun to research ghrp and ghrh even further than I have in the past. That seems to be the most popular stack. The thought of pinning three times a day seems annoying AF though.

I would try and run 2-3 months worth as they take time to show tangible effects like real gh.

 

[Grayson]

Im not on either at the moment and have never done peps just saw my boy do it and it looked cake. But since this ban I have begun to research ghrp and ghrh even further than I have in the past. That seems to be the most popular stack. The thought of pinning three times a day seems annoying AF though.

I would try and run 2-3 months worth as they take time to show tangible effects like real gh.

2-3x would be optimal, but you can always do 1-2 and still reap the benefits.
Fasted pre-AM Cardio -you'll liberate fatty acids and burn a lot more than any ephedrine/clen/yohimbine dose.
Post WO for a GH surge and 1 dose before bed.
Best to get your feet wet with a morning + evening dose.

I'm about to get a few vials of GHRP-2 and Mod GRF (1-29) and then 2 vials of Hexarelin for PWO. Hexarelin is the strongest and thus can lead to desensitization, however if used once a day for 3-4 days, desensitization will not occur. Plus you don't need 100mcg of each per dose. That's just a recommendation. The real dose is 1mcg/kg of weight. So if you're 70kg, just do mcg per GHRP/GHRH and you won't go through as much and still get all of the benefits. Plus you're just pinning SQ, so it doesn't hurt. The only bitch about running peps is keeping them chilled.

From what I've read, they should be used for optimization, and recomp. They're safer than PHs/AAs and will retain muscle on a cut/recomp.

Also if you're into fasting you can use HGH Frag 176-191. 500mg dosed 3-4 times a day on a fasting day and you'll be shredded in no time.

 

[Faktalay]

Are ostarine and sarms on the ph ban list?

 

[diggyroxx]

Not this version. But it's pretty open ended as to how or when they choose to modify the list.

 

[diggyroxx]

Look at nutriverse. Any thing that falls under the ban is 30% off right now. Ostarine is not on it.

 

[JaiBrah]

Hey guys, i was getting ready to start a cycle of OL's Ostarine but I'm starting to see some very mixed reviews popping up as of recently and i just want to gauge what the general consensus is. I'm starting to think it might not even be worth running.

A month ago when i was reading a bunch of threads it seemed like ostarine was generally pretty safe. Most said no serm for pct and it was great for a recomp affect of losing some fat and gaining muscle. Lately it seems like most are recommending a Serm (which is fine) but also they're not seeing any results and it seems to be liver toxic and cause hair loss.

Any input would be great. Thanks

I did osta for 6 weeks and gained 5 lbs lean, I wasnt even hitting my bulking macros for half of it. All I used for PCT was some DAA and I was completely fine. Had surprising strength gains too that have stayed with me. Its very mild on the body.

 

[Hrepp]

I've tried to read through most of this thread but it's extremely long so excuse me if this has already been asked, but can anyone explain the seemingly unaffected fsh and lh levels I've seen in the few blood works I've been able to find?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I've tried to read through most of this thread but it's extremely long so excuse me if this has already been asked, but can anyone explain the seemingly unaffected fsh and lh levels I've seen in the few blood works I've been able to find?

Ostarine doesn't suppress you as much as a prohormone or steroid would. Depending on your ostarine dose, you can still maintain some level of natural testosterone. This also means FSH and LH aren't lowered (or not as lowered as they would be if you were on a PH).

 

[kissdadookie]

Dose, cycle length, and most importantly individual dependent.

I'm not a fan of it because taking it solo @ 24 mg ED didn't do much of anything noticeable in the 30 days I ran it solo, and on the 4th week, libido tanked.

 

[Fit1962]

Off topic, but for those of us new to pro hormones and such, what would be best to stock up on before it's gone?
Epi? 1-dhea? 4-dhea? Others?

 

[kissdadookie]

Off topic, but for those of us new to pro hormones and such, what would be best to stock up on before it's gone?
Epi? 1-dhea? 4-dhea? Others?

I would go for the tren and halo personally. Epi would be a good pick up but I personally don't like it a whole lot (it's effective but made me feel pretty chitty throughout, YMMV).

1 and 4 DHEAs are not going to get serious discounts for awhile, since ATM, they are not going to be banned unless they really go after it. If any of that PH ban discounts apply for 1 and 4 DHEA though and the prices are super appealing, I would most certainly suggest picking up quite a few. Running the 1 and 4 DHEA combo right now, man, what a great ride so far.

 

[Fit1962]

I would go for the tren and halo personally. Epi would be a good pick up but I personally don't like it a whole lot (it's effective but made me feel pretty chitty throughout, YMMV).

1 and 4 DHEAs are not going to get serious discounts for awhile, since ATM, they are not going to be banned unless they really go after it. If any of that PH ban discounts apply for 1 and 4 DHEA though and the prices are super appealing, I would most certainly suggest picking up quite a few. Running the 1 and 4 DHEA combo right now, man, what a great ride so far.

Can you tell me about tren? and halo?

 

[booneman77]

Can you tell me about tren? and halo?

can you google?

 

[Grayson]

Can you tell me about tren? and halo?

Fit1962, It would be healthier for you to pin test. At your age, it will give you the boost you need. TBH, at your age, PHs are a risk if you've never indulged in them. You have to worry about BP spikes, liver/kidney problems. With IM test (hell even some of the legal oils [which are not going away] that are on the market) will be better suited for you. Look into trestolone acetate. You will have a much more pleasant experience.

 

[kissdadookie]

Can you tell me about tren? and halo?

Google tuned sports, then google prohormone podcast celtic to find the write up on ph podcast about all the celtic products (which essentially tells you much of what you need to know about most of the popular compounds on the market and soon to disappear from the market).

 

[Fit1962]

Fit1962, It would be healthier for you to pin test. At your age, it will give you the boost you need. TBH, at your age, PHs are a risk if you've never indulged in them. You have to worry about BP spikes, liver/kidney problems. With IM test (hell even some of the legal oils [which are not going away] that are on the market) will be better suited for you. Look into trestolone acetate. You will have a much more pleasant experience.

Yes I've considered test, like a TRT dose. Thanks! After ostarine, once I get my test checked to see if there was suppression, I evdn thought about running clomid alone for awhile to see how it might increase test? I've been reading about it, though the sides are mentioned often.